Hi Thomas,
Oh, ok, data base files. I always knew them as external supporting files. But
data files sounds better than script files.
As a matter of fact older Basic languages had a data statement. That is a line
might look like
2012 data 5, 17, 22, 34, 99
Since VB6 doesn't support a data
Hi Willem,
Thank you very much. I am happy to hear that you like having my games in your
game collection.
I think that my code does have a style. Just not one that would make others happy.
Thanks again.
BFN
Jim
IF code_works THEN don't_fix_it END IF
j...@kitchensinc.net
http://www.
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
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From: "Thomas Ward"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Python and Interactive Fiction
Hi Jacob
Hi Jacob,
Oh, yeah. So do I. Not only was it the way I was taught to program
those conventions you mention at least have use to me on a day to day
basis. Declaring an integer variable as iSumNumber or a string as
sMyString helps me keep the variables and data types straight.
Especially, in Python
Hi Jim,
Well, all I can say to that is you probably don't have to worry about
someone cracking it if they can't read it. Grin.
The funny thing about .NET obfuscation and Java obfuscation tools is
they do exactly what you described. They take variable names like
player_description and shorten them
Hi Dark,
I suppose. The main point of my post was simply to illistrate how a
sighted person might view formatted text be it code or a written
document vs a blind person views that same printed text.
For example, if I get a book from the library, throw it on the
scanner, usually I don't care if th
"
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Python and Interactive Fiction
Hi Dark,
Sure. Although, keep in mind we are also looking at this from a purely
blind-centric mindset. I agree that usually it isn't necessary for
someone writing a program for themselves
Hi Dark,
Sure. Although, keep in mind we are also looking at this from a purely
blind-centric mindset. I agree that usually it isn't necessary for
someone writing a program for themselves, code they have no intention
of sharing, to just forget about professional standards in formatting
whatever. I
Hi Dark,
Technically speaking the text files in Jim Kitchens games are what
programmers refere to as a flat database. That's a fancey name for a
text file with some data that gets read into a program or engine. They
are not scripts because they don't require any programming. Names for
squares on a
Hi Tom.
That might be business practice but to be honest it strikes me rather as
overkill most of the time.
For instance, I certainly don't bother adding indenting or other formatting
to my thesis and probably won't until it comes time to prepare it for
printing and formal submition, despite
n there is a good reason to :D.
>
> Beware the grue!
> Dark.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim Kitchen"
> To: "Thomas Ward"
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Python and Interactive Fiction
>
>
>>
Hi Dark,
Yes and no. Its true scripts are use to extend the basic functionality
of a program, but some scripting languages are full blown programming
languages on their own. There are what we call embedded scripting
languages, and there are runtime scripting languages. If that's
confusing let me e
Hi Dark,
Yeah, I see your point, but the standards are there for good reason.
For Instance, when I start a paragraph in html I indent the line two
tabs use and then write my paragraph on the same
line. Then, I close it with the tag. That's pretty common and the
way I was trained to do it in co
Hi Jim.
I might be utterly wrong, but as I understand it a "script file" simply
means a file that a user can write to get an existing program to do stuff.
It's not programming, sinse what you write are basically instructions for
the host program to follow, but it's a way for someone to get the
ously you do do user friendly
extremely when there is a good reason to :D.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: "Jim Kitchen"
To: "Thomas Ward"
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Python and Interactive Fiction
Hi
Hi Jim.
I agree with you about coding the way you feel most comfortable with
first and worrying about style afterward. I've personally found that
adding some descriptive names make it easier to find bugs, but I am bad
at describing something in a word or two.
I do not want to imagine my game
ld've been far more
difficult than it actually is, so obviously you do do user friendly
extremely when there is a good reason to :D.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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From: "Jim Kitchen"
To: "Thomas Ward"
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:58 AM
Subj
Hi Thomas,
Yep, well, there is no Jim Kitchen the third, so I don't plan on some one
taking over the Kitchensinc games. I know that partially because of starting
out only being able to use two letters for variable names and because space was
limited, I have always been conscious of size of co
y, February 16, 2012 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Python and Interactive Fiction
Hi Jim,
Well, the hole issue of programming standards and formatting in
particular has to deal with a business model approach to programming.
That is if you develop software for a company you and your coworkers
Hi Tom.
This all makes sense, but at least in structural terms, I have noticed there
are things which can be done to make code make a bit more sense to both the
writer and the reader, business models and standard aside.
For example, though it is not programming code, one thing I always do whe
Hi Jim,
Well, the hole issue of programming standards and formatting in
particular has to deal with a business model approach to programming.
That is if you develop software for a company you and your coworkers
can all develop software in the same way, use the same standards, and
it makes it easie
Hi Trouble,
Yeah, I was told a long time ago that the only reason they want business
standard code is so that you can be replaced. Personally I can go back to code
I wrote decades ago and still know exactly what I was doing. But I do know
that my code is not for others. I mean the first com
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
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From: "Willem Venter"
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Python and Int
Hi Ryan,
Yeah, I know. I was taught to format my source code along with my
fellow programming students back in my college days, but the point of
all that formatting is so someone sighted can read it. Which is why I
said it was unfortunate. It comes down to an issue of intent and who
the code is wr
Hi Cara,
Well, I don't know about XCode, since I don't use it, but there are
plenty of free editors around that have automatic indention features.
You might want to check the Mac apps and see if there is a Python
editor around that does automatic indention.
On 2/15/12, Cara Quinn wrote:
> Agreed
Hi Dark,
Yeah, its quite doable. A lot of screen readers have the option to
announce the formatting of a document and speak the number of tabs
proceeding a line of text. Its just that it is usually disable by
default, and has to be turned on in the screen reader to use it. Once
you turn it on writ
to them if they can actually read
the stuff.
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Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:27 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Python and Interactive Fi
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Python and Interactive Fiction
Hi Dave,
Yes, unfortunately, Python still requires that you use proper indention
rules when writing software. That's pre
udyssey.org] On
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Python and Interactive Fiction
Hi Dave,
Yes, unfortunately, Python still requires that you use proper indention
rules when writing software. That's pretty much how
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Python and Interactive Fiction
Hi Dave,
Yes, unfortunately, Python still requires that you use proper indention
rules when writing software. That
y.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Python and Interactive Fiction
Hi Dave,
Yes, unfortunately, Python still requires that you use proper indention
rules when writing sof
Hi tom.
hal will read number of tabs at the start of lines too, though i will
confess it's a feature I've never bothered to use, and the way I have the
verbosity of Hal setup to read what I've written tabs are not read by
default unless I specifically use the read line key, though this could b
Hi Dave,
Yes, unfortunately, Python still requires that you use proper
indention rules when writing software. That's pretty much how it gets
away without using braces, brackets, and all the other trappings of
C/C++ by defining blocks of code based on indention and proper
spacing. That said, once y
Hi,
Not sure if this question is straying, but here goes, python the thing
I didn't like about it is keeping all the tabs straight? I'm not sure
if that's still relevant, but it was an impediment to me when I tried
it.
Dave
On 2/14/12, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Python and Interactive Fiction Games
>
Python and Interactive Fiction Games
by Thomas Ward
Feb. 14, 2012
For about a year I have been searching for the best language to
develop classic interactive text adventures like Zork, Arthur, Hitch
Hikers to the Galaxy, and various other famous games that have been
developed by interactive fict
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