I'd hope we can demonstrate finding consensus rather than using the vote to
resolve this.
I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
another try, i've offered to help with that (any other offers
Great to hear, one month seemed too short to accomplish so much. I'd be
happy to volunteer as another mentor if some fresh eyes will help.
...ant
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> If we decide to give the podling another chance I would prefer to give it
> another six mon
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>> As I mentioned in an earlier email, we did have this conversation seven
>> months ago. We came to a consensus to give it another try. We even added
>> a few committers a "bit
I'm mostly just a lurker on this list, having thought about bringing a
project to Apache about 24 months ago[1], realizing we didn't quite have
the demand/community. Since then I've been lurking, wanting to see
when/whether it makes sense to attempt it again, reflecting on the state
of the proj
Is it ok to close this vote? It happened over the long holiday weekend in
the US and we only got five total votes, three from our mentors.
Thanks,
-Alex
On 11/22/12 11:57 AM, "Alan Cabrera" wrote:
> +1 - binding
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
>
>> T
Alan, +1 from me.
Cheers,
Chris
On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:32 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> If we decide to give the podling another chance I would prefer to give it
> another six months rather than just one month. I don't think that a lot can
> reasonably be accomplished in one month. I would also
I wonder if we can ask that incubation proposals include how they intend to get
the message out there. What channels are relevant for the project? I guess
what are their marketing plans.
Eventually, we'd have a collection of old incubation proposals that new
podlings could use to garner ideas
If we decide to give the podling another chance I would prefer to give it
another six months rather than just one month. I don't think that a lot can
reasonably be accomplished in one month. I would also like to see some
milestones set in those six months. If the milestones are met or not me
On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>> As I mentioned in an earlier email, we did have this conversation seven
>> months ago. We came to a consensus to give it another try. We even added
>> a few committers a "bit e
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> Growing community is about "getting the message out there". There has to be
> someone in the project who wants to do that. Some techniques are:
>
> - press
> - community events
> - mentoring (that is mentoring of potential new committers)
> -
Growing community is about "getting the message out there". There has to be
someone in the project who wants to do that. Some techniques are:
- press
- community events
- mentoring (that is mentoring of potential new committers)
- fast turnaround on patch reviews
- regular releases
- decent websi
+1 to Jukka's suggestion here. The world isn't going to end if we give them
another month, and beyond that, it will give someone besides Eric the
opportunity
to help cruft the plan (hopefully 2 people besides Eric, since that would mean
3 active peeps in the community).
If that plan can't be achi
Yeah my sentiments here are of caution -- seems like we need to root out
what is going on here based on the community reaction.
Cheers,
Chris
On Nov 26, 2012, at 2:59 AM, ant elder wrote:
> -1
>
> In the vote on their dev list there wasn't unanimous support for retiring
> the project, that shou
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> As I mentioned in an earlier email, we did have this conversation seven
> months ago. We came to a consensus to give it another try. We even added
> a few committers a "bit early" with the hopes that they would infuse the
> project
>
Another favor:
What are the voting rules for this case? I'm assuming that -1 != veto,
but can anyone point to precedent or documentation I'd be grateful.
A caution: I have been up since 4:15AM and it's now 7:24PM, so I'm
prone to overlook the obvious.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Bertrand D
Luciano,
My five cents is this: growing communities is really, really, hard,
and I don't know that anyone at Apache has a recipe. If anyone does,
it might be the comdev committee. I'm not sure that this PMC can take
it on. We can barely muster the minimal supervision that the board
requires of us.
OK, I get it. We've got that in process.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Sergio Fernández
wrote:
> Benson,
> everything is fine regarding Nandana, but we're still awaiting a formal
> resolution about Fabian Christ.
>
>
> On 26.11.2012 21:15, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>
>> Andy, who's missing? N..
I did a search on issues updated in the past 6 month, and here is the list:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&jqlQuery=project+%3D+CHUKWA+AND+resolution+in+%28Unresolved%2C+Fixed%2C+%22Won%27t+Fix%22%29+AND+updated+%3E%3D+-180d+ORDER+BY+reporter+ASC%2C+key+DESC
Actually, this has its own difficulty. Sponsorship can lead to
(inadvertent or intended) domination by the sponsored developers.
But I agree completely that helping volunteer communities grow is an
important issue.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Luciano Resende wrote:
> Growing communities w
Le 26 nov. 2012 21:06, "Benson Margulies" a écrit :
>
> For those voting -1, I'd like to see, on another thread, some
> discussion about just how we handle podlings where there are
> longstanding issues but no consensus on the PPMC
Based on the mentors additional info, and after reviewing the
-- Forwarded message --
From: *Benson Margulies*
Date: Monday, November 26, 2012
Subject: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
For those voting -1, I'd like to see, on another thread, some
discussion about just how we handle podlings where there
On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>> Even by the PPMC's comments they obliquely acknowledge that there's not much
>> activity and expressed an interested in simply keeping it around with the
>> hopes
>> that someth
Benson,
everything is fine regarding Nandana, but we're still awaiting a formal
resolution about Fabian Christ.
On 26.11.2012 21:15, Benson Margulies wrote:
Andy, who's missing? N. is now formally a member.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Andy Seaborne
wrote:
A quick update on the Mar
On 26.11.2012 16:59, Joachim Dreimann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to request the beginning of the vote for the third release of
> Apache Bloodhound in the incubator following the successful vote by the
> Bloodhound PPMC.
>
> The result of the vote is summarised here:
> http://markmail.org/threa
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> Even by the PPMC's comments they obliquely acknowledge that there's not much
> activity and expressed an interested in simply keeping it around with the
> hopes
> that something would happen; there were no concrete ideas or plans on how
Andy, who's missing? N. is now formally a member.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote:
> A quick update on the Marmotta proposal.
>
> Thanks everyone for the comments. The proposal should reflect the
> discussions.
>
> One of the mentors is not yet formally a member of IPMC
For those voting -1, I'd like to see, on another thread, some
discussion about just how we handle podlings where there are
longstanding issues but no consensus on the PPMC. We've heading in the
same direction on Photark, and some consensus about how or when to
reach a respectful conclusion as a PMC
+1
>-Original Message-
>From: Alan Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com]
>Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:00 PM
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation
>
>Hi,
>
>The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
>
>Following the retirement gui
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
>
> Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote on
> confirming this decision.
>
[X ] +1 Retire the Chukwa project
Bernd, after careful considera
+1. Whatever merits the Chukwa codebase may have, it's not got an active
community - there's just no way around that. Eric's heroic efforts,
notwithstanding, it's time to see if it'll have success in Github.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier
wrote:
> +1
>
> I don't see how
+1
I don't see how the project can grow a community.
The community vote received a single -1, most others "don't care".
With most of the community members "not caring" about their project
and the sole active developer concurring, I believe its a better match
for GitHub.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12
Alan,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>
>> Actually there is activity. Only in September 2 new committers joined.
>> Looking at SVN, there is activity too:
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/chukwa/trunk/src/
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Eric Yang wrote:
>
> > Hi IPMC,
> >
> > For the past two years, Chukwa has been labelled as non-active project by
> > mentors, and has been put on votes for retiring this project by mentor
> and
> > IPMC.
> > In
On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:51 AM, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
> I wonder which steps were taken by mentors, community and pmc to foster a
> community. I want to learn something from this case. Thanks.
When we had our first retirement discussion early this year it was the
consensus that we would wait until
Hi,
I would like to request the beginning of the vote for the third release of
Apache Bloodhound in the incubator following the successful vote by the
Bloodhound PPMC.
The result of the vote is summarised here:
http://markmail.org/thread/owksv6lbcs6zq7th
The artefacts for the release including
I wonder which steps were taken by mentors, community and pmc to foster a
community. I want to learn something from this case. Thanks.
26.11.2012 18:55 пользователь "Alan Cabrera" написал:
>
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Eric Yang wrote:
>
> > Hi IPMC,
> >
> > For the past two years, Chukwa has
On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:16 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Jukka Zitting
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>>> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
>>
>> -1 The community vote [1] was far from unanimous. I'd expect
On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Eric Yang wrote:
> Hi IPMC,
>
> For the past two years, Chukwa has been labelled as non-active project by
> mentors, and has been put on votes for retiring this project by mentor and
> IPMC.
> In this year's stats, Chukwa has more activities in comparison to Apache
>
On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> Actually there is activity. Only in September 2 new committers joined.
> Looking at SVN, there is activity too:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/chukwa/trunk/src/main/java/org/apache/hadoop/chukwa/
>
> Unfortunately the most acti
A quick update on the Marmotta proposal.
Thanks everyone for the comments. The proposal should reflect the
discussions.
One of the mentors is not yet formally a member of IPMC so we're waiting
until we have three formal mentors before calling the proposal vote.
(and still, ideally, looking
I just read the last few months of discussion on the list.
I think that retirement really isn't a bad idea. The single active
developer (Eric Y) is the only one who voted against retirement.
It really seems like this project would do better in a place like github.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:37
Actually there is activity. Only in September 2 new committers joined.
Looking at SVN, there is activity too:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/chukwa/trunk/src/main/java/org/apache/hadoop/chukwa/
Unfortunately the most active committer - if not the only one - is Eric.
For me (others may cor
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Eric Yang wrote:
> ...With respect to the voting result, but it leaves me
> puzzled that why should Chukwa be retired. When there are contributors,
> and there are activities for growth...
Note that there's several -1s in the [VOTE] thread on
general@incubator.a.
> [X] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
As others have said in this thread there's no clear consensus.
-Bertrand
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Nandana
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Raymond Feng wrote:
> +1 (binding).
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5
>
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Luciano Resende wrote:
>
> > The Apache Wink project entered incubator in May of 2009. S
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
>
> -1 The community vote [1] was far from unanimous. I'd expect the
> community being retired to have greater consensus (or, as is
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
-1 The community vote [1] was far from unanimous. I'd expect the
community being retired to have greater consensus (or, as is more
common in such situations, at least indifference) ab
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