Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 2015-08-04 13:01, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: ...Which would be totally fine and gets us back to the point Daniel and I were discussing: a release compliance team (horrible name, I know) as part of ASF IMO

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: ...Which would be totally fine and gets us back to the point Daniel and I were discussing: a release compliance team (horrible name, I know) as part of ASF IMO it's not a team that's needed, just a clear and

Mail archives (was: apache binary distributions)

2015-08-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org wrote: ...Next time I will archive such mails in my mail program instead. Learned something for the future... Markmail is pretty useful here:

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-04 Thread Jochen Theodorou
sorry, I really tried, but it seems google is not a suitable tool to search through the incubator general list. It shows by far not all results it should show. There is a hint that some results are not shown because of privacy protection. Searching for my own name for exmaple shows only a

Re: Give me wiki write access

2015-08-04 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Daniel Dekany ddek...@freemail.hu wrote: Please give me write access on https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/! Name: DanielDekany Done. Marvin Humphrey - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Give me wiki write access

2015-08-04 Thread Daniel Dekany
Please give me write access on https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/! Name: DanielDekany (I'm an initial comitter at FreeMarker: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/freemarker.html) -- Thanks, Daniel Dekany - To unsubscribe,

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-04 Thread Jochen Theodorou
Am 03.08.2015 21:46, schrieb David Nalley: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org wrote: Hi all, some of the general discussion recently made me wonder about one point with regards to binary distributions. It was pointed out, that a binary distribution of a source

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org wrote: ...It was pointed out, that a binary distribution of a source code release has to be handled like a release itself, and that there should be no download source of it outside of apache. This seems to be one

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Daniel, On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Daniel Gruno humbed...@apache.org wrote: On 2015-08-04 13:01, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ... IMO the Incubator PMC can very much own this checklist, and I volunteer to contribute to creating it... If interested, I would very much like to work with

Re: Wiki access

2015-08-04 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: For some reason I am not able to edit any pages on the incubator wiki. I could swear I used to be able to do that. Does someone have karma to fix this? Like all Apache wikis, the Incubator wiki had to implement

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Andrew Purtell
Can you provide a pointer to a specific example of what you mean? On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Arvind Prabhakar arv...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote: ​ In fact, in my opinion it leads to the very unfortunate side effect

RE: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Sorry, my comment was too brief. I understand the maturity model to be something to aspire to and that Apache Projects will always be working toward it. I mean TLPs, not podlings, although podlings should be aware of it and also aspire to it. I was commending the structure and clarity of

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Andrew Purtell
Who are the village spinsters? On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote: On 03.08.2015 21:51, Julian Hyde wrote: In my experience incubating Calcite, the “overhead” was mostly the infrastructure and process, not politics. (If you think the incubator is political,

Re: Mail archives (was: apache binary distributions)

2015-08-04 Thread Ted Dunning
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:17 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org wrote: ...Next time I will archive such mails in my mail program instead. Learned something for the future... Markmail is pretty useful

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Just catching up on this thread. Going back a bit. #2 The #1 goal is achieved via mentorship. In fact mentorship is not even required as the case of Zest (and hopeful Yetus soon) demonstrated. Not to pick on Zest but a casual glance at the current source release shows it contains a

Wiki access

2015-08-04 Thread Ralph Goers
For some reason I am not able to edit any pages on the incubator wiki. I could swear I used to be able to do that. Does someone have karma to fix this? Ralph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org

RE: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 on how to start, with the maturity model as exemplar, is an outstanding idea. Thanks. (I even have a poddling in mind for stress-testing it.) - Dennis -Original Message- From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 05:57 To: Incubator

RE: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Ross Gardler
As an immediate start to having a tool to support mentors and TLPs you might want to consider providing a Rat service. Rat is already very useful. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Daniel Grunomailto:humbed...@apache.org Sent: ‎8/‎4/‎2015 4:15 AM To:

RE: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Ross Gardler
Since I +1d Romans comment I also want to draw attention to your valuable observation on the topic: A lot of companies seem to view any friction (e.g. actually complying with policies that put community over code) as political overhead that makes joining the foundation undesirable. +1 to that

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread jan i
On 4 August 2015 at 18:46, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: +1 on how to start, with the maturity model as exemplar, is an outstanding idea. Thanks. (I even have a poddling in mind for stress-testing it.) It is clear to me, that incubator offer many advantages...but our current

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015, at 07:06 PM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote: That said, I have personally been in positions where I have seen IPMC members ask - and even demand things at times - that I feel are unreasonable requests for the podling. The reason I do not challenge those is because I feel that

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015, at 03:13 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2015, at 10:05 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: I've been waiting for a bout a week for other to chime in, but it seems that nobody has so I'll repeat my

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: It's hard to get the balance right between appropriate oversight and unwanted meddling. No argument there. I'm unconvinced that a restructuring of the IPMC/PPMC/Mentorship structure as it is today will solve that, though it might push it

Re: Reform of Incubator

2015-08-04 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 08/04/2015 02:45 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: Sorry if it rubs the wrong way. However, we just have seen through the Ignite discussion (most recent one) the examples where personal expectations were represented as graduation requirements. It is perhaps in good faith - I am not questioning

Re: Reform of Incubator

2015-08-04 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
Sorry if it rubs the wrong way. However, we just have seen through the Ignite discussion (most recent one) the examples where personal expectations were represented as graduation requirements. It is perhaps in good faith - I am not questioning the intention. I am saying that when requirements are

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-04 Thread Ted Dunning
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org wrote: It was also mentioned here, that for example publishing snapshot builds to maven central is not allowed. I guess in the release document they are basically to be handled as nightly builds and as such not for the general

Re: Reform of Incubator

2015-08-04 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 02:50PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 08/04/2015 02:45 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: Sorry if it rubs the wrong way. However, we just have seen through the Ignite discussion (most recent one) the examples where personal expectations were represented as graduation

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

2015-08-04 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
Along these lines, also consider using DRAT: http://github.com/chrismattmann/drat/ Think of it as RAT at scale with progress logs, Tika-based MIME file identification. Presentations, videos, and docs are on the page. ++ Chris

Re: Reform of Incubator

2015-08-04 Thread Julian Hyde
Cos, There is no bureaucratism outbreak. People are not express[ing] their expectations as a law-of-the-land. People are trying, in good faith, to make sure that decisions are made consistent with the Apache ethos. And before you ask, no, that ethos cannot be written down; it has to be