Can you provide a pointer to a specific example of what you mean?
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Arvind Prabhakar <arv...@apache.org> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > > > > In fact, in my opinion it leads to the very unfortunate side effect of > IPMC > > > > > feeling in need to justify why it exists by micromanaging podlings. > > > > I've been through incubation as a mentor on Phoenix, Nifi, and now > getting > > up to speed on Trafodion, I have not seen micromanagement of podlings. > > Could you point out an example? Curious what you mean. > > > > It is worth noting that none of the IPMC members micromanage on purpose, or > are even aware that their actions are being interpreted as acts of > micromanagement. From their perspective, it is their responsibility to > guide the podling, and that is what they are trying to do. It will unfair > to bring those out as examples of micromanagement. > > That said, I have personally been in positions where I have seen IPMC > members ask - and even demand things at times - that I feel are > unreasonable requests for the podling. The reason I do not challenge those > is because I feel that their asks are rooted in good intentions, and that > the IPMC in its current form encourages such involvement and authority. At > the same time I also worry about the state of the podling and what this > does to their way of thinking about Apache and the Incubator. > > Regards, > Arvind Prabhakar > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> > > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 7:18 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > I wonder how much of the silence is a notion of "I don't want to be > > > > accountable if something goes wrong in this podling." > > > > > > Right, but that same concern could be applied to every single TLP > > > and yet the board seems to do the right thing with that. > > > > > > > Having the IPMC safety net means its at least the IPMC's fault if > > > something > > > > goes wrong. > > > > > > My point all along has been that this is a false sense of security. > > > > > > In fact, > > > in my opinion it leads to the very unfortunate side effect of IPMC > > > feeling in need to justify why it exists by micromanaging podlings. > > > > > > > Personally, I'd be happy if the PPMCs had more self governance. But > I > > > > think there are also some key people on the IPMC that should be able > to > > > > lend their skills out to the broader PPMCs in case of need. > > > > > > Which would be totally fine and gets us back to the point Daniel and I > > were > > > discussing: a release compliance team (horrible name, I know) as part > of > > > ASF. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Roman. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > > > - Andy > > > > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein > > (via Tom White) > > > -- Best regards, - Andy Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein (via Tom White)
