Hi Incubator folks,
I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for
incubating podlings:
- A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation
status.
- A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or
dismantling a podling that goes beyond
It seems to me that the negatives of your proposed policy outweigh the
positives.
Presumably the goal is to prevent mentors from making biased decisions due to
conflicts of interest. There are other approaches to solving CoI, such as
declaring conflicts of interest and, Apache’s current approac
I'm not sure about this.
In the past I've argued that we need mentors who *do* have a personal interest.
Those are the ones least likely to be absent during incubation.
I do agree that mentors must act in a neutral way. I would hope that if this
were not the case then someone would speak up. I
Hi Daniel:
Discussion intertwined below…
Cheers,
Greg Trasuk
> On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>
> Hi Incubator folks,
>
> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for
> incubating podlings:
>
> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or it
Hi all,
Following the discussion about Concerted I would like to call a vote for
accepting Concerted as a new incubator project.
The proposal text is included below, and available on the wiki:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
The vote is open for 72 hours:
[ ] +1 accept Conc
Hi All,
Proposal is posted for voting.
Please vote.
Regards,
Atri
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have posted proposal in Discuss thread.
>
> Please provide your contributions there.
>
> Regards,
>
> Atri
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Atri Sharma wr
Daniel Gruno wrote on 10/9/15 11:07 AM:
> Hi Incubator folks,
>
> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for
> incubating podlings:
>
> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation
> status.
> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubatin
+1 (non-binding)
Amol
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Atri Sharma wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Following the discussion about Concerted I would like to call a vote for
> accepting Concerted as a new incubator project.
>
> The proposal text is included below, and available on the wiki:
>
> https://wiki
+1
On 10/7/15, 8:32 AM, "John D. Ament" wrote:
>I would be happy to see kylin graduate.
>On Oct 7, 2015 11:28, "Luke Han" wrote:
>
>> The Kylin community and project made significant advances during the
>> incubating (from Nov 2014) and
>> believes it is ready to graduate as a top-level projec
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> ...Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or
> retiring podlings,..
IMO this is where independence is important. We could require that 3
"organizationally independent" IPMC members review each podling before
+1 (non-binding)
Pavel
2015-10-09 17:55 GMT+02:00 Atri Sharma :
> Hi all,
>
> Following the discussion about Concerted I would like to call a vote for
> accepting Concerted as a new incubator project.
>
> The proposal text is included below, and available on the wiki:
>
> https://wiki.apache.org
+1
On 10/9/15, 10:13 AM, "Adunuthula, Seshu" wrote:
>+1
>
>On 10/7/15, 8:32 AM, "John D. Ament" wrote:
>
>>I would be happy to see kylin graduate.
>>On Oct 7, 2015 11:28, "Luke Han" wrote:
>>
>>> The Kylin community and project made significant advances during the
>>> incubating (from Nov 201
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>> ...Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or
>> retiring podlings,..
>
> IMO this is where independence is important. We could require that 3
What problem does this solve?
This proposal lacks context. It implies that mentors are not neutral,
and that they are motivated by interests not shared by the ASF. But it
does not outline the merits of that belief, neither does it specify
how this proposal would address them. Instead of allowing t
Hello all,
I feel like I'm on the verge of getting LICENSE/NOTICE right in all
respects in The TinkerPop. . Seems like there's one piece that's out of
place and could use some advice as I wasn't able to map anything I'd read
in the Apache docs on this topic to my issue. We currently shade severa
Does there always have to be an actual problem before we can propose a
policy? must we always be reactive instead of proactive?
Yes, I am in a way implying that some mentors are, perhaps, not neutral
in their work. I will not back it up with specific names or contexts, as
I don't want to take a tr
+1 (binding)
Good luck guys!
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Atri Sharma wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Following the discussion about Concerted I would like to call a vote for
> accepting Concerted as a new incubator project.
>
> The proposal text is included below, and available on the wiki:
>
> https://
+1
@henry.saputra thanks man
On Oct 9, 2015 5:50 PM, "Henry Saputra" wrote:
> +1 (binding)
> Good luck guys!
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Atri Sharma wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Following the discussion about Concerted I would like to call a vote for
> > accepting Concerted as a new incuba
On 10/09/2015 08:02 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>> ...Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or
>>> retiring podlings,..
>>
>> IMO this is where
I am a mentor of Kylin and I believe the project is ready to graduate.
They have created a vibrant, open community and are conducting
business in the Apache Way.
One proviso: Let's complete the name search before starting the IPMC
vote. It would be foolish to let that particular cart get in front
I agree.
It’s also worth discussing whether the “tasked with the creation of a set of
bylaws” section of the proposal is really needed.
My understanding is that that section is not actually necessary, and has
proliferated among projects largely due to copying/pasting of other graduation
propos
Daniel-
If you have these concerns about mentors, a TLP proposal, or even an
active TLP substantiated only by private information: notify the board
via board-private@. That's why it's there.
The proposal accuses mentors of selling influence, and acting contrary
to the foundation's interest. That
On 09/10/2015 19:12, Stephen Mallette wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I feel like I'm on the verge of getting LICENSE/NOTICE right in all
> respects in The TinkerPop. . Seems like there's one piece that's out of
> place and could use some advice as I wasn't able to map anything I'd read
> in the Apache d
I have agreed to be a mentor to Concerted and I think it is an
interesting idea. I am inclined to vote for it entering the incubator.
However since the project has not released any source code yet, there
are a couple of questions I'd like to get answered for the record:
1. How many lines of exist
Hi,
Please find answers below:
1) The main source code on Github wasn't updated for a while. However, the
original and main core was written in 2013 and has been open source since
then. As we discussed earlier current code base is only starting point for
complete development and will be first int
Thanks for clarifying.
+1 (binding)
Julian
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please find answers below:
>
> 1) The main source code on Github wasn't updated for a while. However, the
> original and main core was written in 2013 and has been open source since
> then.
Maybe the podling has a valid reason behind that choice. So let us not
chuck that out of the window because of other podlings not paying attention
to what they did.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:42 PM, P. Taylor
Meaning: proactively trying to doing the right thing, trying to define
boundaries before wrongdoing happens, is wrong?
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Chris Douglas wrote:
> Daniel-
>
> If you have these
No. Meaning that starting from a place of no-trust in an environment where
trust is critical is wrong.
Ross
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Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 2:26 PM
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+1 (binding)
Thank you, Atri.
--Chris Nauroth
On 10/9/15, 8:55 AM, "Atri Sharma" wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Following the discussion about Concerted I would like to call a vote for
>accepting Concerted as a new incubator project.
>
>The proposal text is included below, and available on the wiki:
>
Exactly my point. If it's intentional, leave it in, otherwise consider taking
it out.
As a (very recent) mentor, I see no indication that the Kylin community has
plans to deviate.
Background: When Storm was incubating I thought that creating bylaws was
required, and we did so, for better or wo
Maybe the podling should then elaborate on their choice of having it in the
request proposal, before it comes to a vote and it is still in.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:47 PM, P. Taylor Goetz wrote:
> Exactly
Pierre Smits
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> No. Meaning that starting from a place of no-trust in an environment where
> trust is critical is wrong.
>
> Ross
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pierre Smits
Hi everyone,
Please verify and vote on the first release of Apache AsterixDB . This is
our first incubating release for this part of the codebase, so as was the
case with our Hyracks components, feedback is much appreciated. As was
noted in the result and discussion on dev@asterixdb.i.a.o, this wi
On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 11:38AM, Greg Trasuk wrote:
> Hi Daniel:
>
> Discussion intertwined below…
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg Trasuk
>
> > On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> >
> > Hi Incubator folks,
> >
> > I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for
> > incuba
On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 08:36PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> Does there always have to be an actual problem before we can propose a
> policy? must we always be reactive instead of proactive?
"We can't just stay on a side and wait, we should do something!" - sounds all
too familiar, eh?
> Yes, I am in a
What are you referring to, Konstantin?
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
*OFBiz Extensions Marketplace*
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 08:36PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > Does there always have to be an actual problem b
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 01:29AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> What are you referring to, Konstantin?
I am referring to the progressives of the world and all "policy frameworks"
they are so readily unleashing on everybody because they have an urge to
meddle. I am very much agree with Chris and Ross on imm
I do not agree with this proposal I will elaborate more later
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 9, 2015, at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>
> Hi Incubator folks,
>
> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for
> incubating podlings:
>
> - A mentor must not be financially tied to
+1 (binding)
This is exciting!Thanks for putting this together Atri.
-- Lars
From: Atri Sharma
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 8:55 AM
Subject: [VOTE] Accept Concerted into the Apache Incubator
Hi all,
Following the discussion about Concerted I would l
We should address perceived, and certainly provable, instances of
corruption at the Foundation directly, rather than prescribe policy that
seeks to prevent future instances as if there is a precedent (but there
isn't one here... at least one not spoken aloud, right?).
> A mentor must not be financ
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