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> > On 11/08/2016 11:14 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/07/2016 10:05 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Daniel Gru
ly less concerned with the sustainability of the project
should the company opt out of working on the project, and more concerned
with the kind of monoculture "we own it" problems that we're starting to
see crop up in other projects that were allowed to graduate without
building
On Sep 24, 2016 23:08, "Geertjan Wielenga"
wrote:
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> Yes, excellent work and many thanks for the time taken on this, Daniel.
For
> anyone reading this -- do note that these are preliminary findings based
on
> the current infrastructure of NetBeans, which is going to be very
different
> under Apac
On Sep 25, 2016 01:18, "Justin Mclean" wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> > E.g., no forums in Apache, for example.
>
> A mailing list can be mirrored to a nibble forum if it helps [1] I know
of several projects who do that.
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e migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator TinkePop podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator TinkerPop podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
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On 11/18/2015 06:28 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> PS Alas, "scores" are chalked against the manager of communities who
> fails to satisfy the beany needs of misguided marketing. (Beany
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sourced like some of the work that Roberto Galoppini has
worked on, and see more intelligence and less shot-in-the-dark
understanding coming out of them. If there is wisdom to be gained, and
things that can be consistently reproducible, we should pursue that. So
much in
hought experiment, and, indeed we should always
strive to have better metrics, but we must be intelligent - and human -
in how we read those numbers. One of the things that separates the ASF
from GitHub or SourceForge, is that we do have a unifying philosophy,
and a community of humans that defend it.
On Nov 15, 2015 10:14 AM, "Justin Erenkrantz" wrote:
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Rich Bowen wrote:
>
> > No. I can use whatever criteria I like to justify my vote on a podlings
> > graduation, if it's in line with asf philosophy. This document
On Nov 13, 2015 4:50 PM, "Branko Čibej" wrote:
>
> On 10.11.2015 16:00, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > That is nice! Apache pages drawn up by a member of the Apache Software
> > Foundation with the input from many (both ASF members and others) and
> > hosted/communicated through ASF means, and then sayi
Perhaps things were simpler in The Old Days, or perhaps I was just more
naive. I suspect it's a little of both.
Maintaining the ideals of The Apache Way, while also acknowledging that
the world is different from how it was in 1998, is a core theme in many
discuss
ys be very, very careful what you measure, because people will
naturally optimize for those things, to the detriment of some of the
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>> IPMC should be imposing the barest amount of overhead to what the
>> Board requires from the full projects. To that end, having
>> mentors explicitly sign-off is fair - but, additional paperwork
>> is not. -- justin
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I don't see any
> value in adding more bureaucracy as it will further sap any motivation
> to truly "mentor" projects. I view the mentor as someone that can be
> called upon, but doesn't necessarily require active involvement on a
> daily basis. If I wanted that,
On Nov 3, 2015 11:34 AM, "Joe Schaefer" wrote:
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> David,
>
> The problem with Rich's commentary is that we don't have any solid
evidence
> to that effect. Certainly not on a systematic level.
> All I see is a lot of responsiveness from the team about repair-oriented
> tickets, or some mundane ta
On 11/02/2015 01:51 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 07:25AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
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>
>On 11/01/2015 07:48 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
> >Thanks for sending this around, Paul - I should've linked it to the vote
> >thread, duh...
> >
&g
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Anyways, this is a thread hijack, so perhaps we should take this
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On 11/02/2015 07:33 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 7:25 AM Rich Bowen wrote:
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>
>On 11/01/2015 07:48 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
> >Thanks for sending this around, Paul - I should've linked it to the vote
> >thread, duh...
> >
> &g
at I was looking for.
If it's all just rhetorical questions then why do we bother at all?
Graduation is a one-time thing. We can afford to apply a little
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On Oct 28, 2015 4:26 PM, "Konstantin Boudnik" wrote:
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> Following discussions [1] about its current status, the Groovy community
> has voted [2] to graduate from the Incubator. The vote passed [3] with 12
+1s
> total, 5 are binding:
>
> Guillaume Laforge
> Cédric Champeau
> Paul King
>
> But, I've got to wonder: as long as it is just a suggestion what's to
compel
> a mentor to actually spend quite a bit of time on doing that?
>
>
A mentor's desire to do their job thoroughly and serve the project and the
Foundation. This is one tool to assist with reaching that end. Use it, or
+1, binding, mentor
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> Hello,
> We are happy to announce that TinkerPop 3.0.2-incubating is ready for
> release.
>
> The release artifacts can be found at this location:
>
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A huge +1, but I wonder about a few things. Who does the work? Who
evaluates the results? What happens when projects "fail"?
Le 15/10/15 11:46, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit :
> Hi Incubator PMC,
>
> FYI I have started an experiment at
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-groovy/blob/master/MATURITY
14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
...It would be very welcome to have this attached to a
graduation
resolution, so that we could have some background beyond just a
boilerplate
"time to graduate" message
I agree, and IMO our ma
to graduate" message. That may delay the actual time
to graduate, but would allow us to be more than a rubber stamp, but
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ss to be TLP.
As a side-note, I'd also encourage mentors who are mentors in name only,
and not reality, to consider cleaning up the paperwork by removing
themselves from the roster. It doesn't look great when a podling can't
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Result summary: +1 (4 binding, 2 non-binding), 0 (0), -1 (0)
The [VOTE] will be open for the next 72 hours --- closing Friday (September
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d of expenditure would be
permissible under our non-profit status.
Thought 3: Even if someone persuades me that it's permissible, it seems
pretty clearly a Bad Thing To Do. The day we have to start paying people
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Even having read that discussion, this email from Stefan is perplexing.
Oh, well.
Alan
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I presume, since your message has received responses, that it's clear to
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You wait for something to exist, and THEN you support it?
How about taking something good that WANTS TO EXIST, and supporting that?
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Whoever is running the @ApacheIgnite twitter account needs a little
assistance from their mentors in terms of what is and is not appropriate
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ation.
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Marko Rodriguez mailto:okramma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello everyone,
Over the last 2 weeks, TinkerPop's proposal has been worked on with
support from:
* David Nalley (champion)
* Rich Bowen (mentor)
* Hadrian Zbarcea (ment
ld be*) recognizable.
If you*don't* recognize it, then you've taken the "interpretation"
too far, if you get my meaning.
What a delightful analogy.
Of course, you're always going to get people who say that a disco
rendition is fine, and others who say it's
Enthusiastically +1 to welcome TinkerPop to the Incubator.
On 01/09/2015 11:35 AM, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
Hello everyone,
Over the last 2 weeks, TinkerPop's proposal has been worked on with
support from:
* David Nalley (champion)
* Rich Bowen (mentor)
* Hadrian Zbarcea (mentor)
* Daniel
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> On Mon Dec 29 2014 at 9:50:49 AM Rich Bowen wrote:
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> >
> >
> > On 12/21/2014 11:14 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
> > > I don't particularly like that idea. For one, I know that if I were
to
>
an just a checkbox, with board members routinely
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me, but I'd be willing
to work with you on Zeppelin, also.
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I, on behalf of TinkerPop, thank
you for spending your time reading it.
After catching up on the conversation, and reading a little bit about
your project and community, I would be honored if you would consider my
offer to be a Mentor for your project.
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person that is clearly at the forefront of
decision making, but to designate them a project lead indicates
dysfunction in a collaboration-based structure.
This seems a tad of a diversion from the topic, but definitely worth
mentioning.
On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
On Dec 29, 2014 12:35 PM, "Marko Rodriguez" wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Here is how TinkerPop current runs it "TinkerPop-Contributors."
>
> 1. If you are a vendor, you get one engineer from your
organization to be on TinkerPop-Contributors who speaks on behalf of your
organization/product. (~15
On Dec 29, 2014 12:11 PM, "Hadrian Zbarcea" wrote:
>
>
> On 12/29/2014 09:40 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/2014 11:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> before answering Ross' proposal,
e podling is listening to their mentors
are are learning the ropes.
Podlings that have 100% mentor signoff indicate that everything is going
perfectly, and there's no reason for concern.
Absolutely not just noise. Take the extra 2 seconds to add your sign off.
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another week, but will attempt to keep up with the conversation here,
and not abandon the thread I started. Please also forgive the dozen
responses that I'm dropping all at once.
I care deeply about the outcome of this conversation, and it cer
might give us some
deeper insight into whether this fixes anything?
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As to the project being forge software, rather than being a projecy which
develops forge software, that feels like semantic pickiness, but we will
address that immediately.
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Please VOTE below on the graduation of Apache Allura from the
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Don't graduate Apache Allura from the Incubator because
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