Ted Leung wrote:
On Jul 14, 2006, at 10:51 AM, David Blevins wrote:
Assuming we decide to start ppmcs with a chair, there's no reason you
couldn't start with one of the mentors as the chair and make it an
objective to exit with one of the incubated committers as the chair.
Given that I know
On Jul 14, 2006, at 10:51 AM, David Blevins wrote:
I have the gut feeling there is something we can do to marry these
concerns, as my primary concern is how the incubation ends. I.e. I
think there should be an opportunity before incubation ends to
learn to function *with* that person and
Sorry, I can't resist...
On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
ASF Members are automatically
eligible for PMC membership; non-Members may be elected at the
discretion of
the Incubator PMC.
This is some of that non-hierarchical, peer-based stuff you were
talking about, right
On 7/14/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bruce Snyder wrote:
> What do you mean fix the doc? Is it not the policy that mentors be
> members? I've seen and been involved in discussions where this was
> used as a reason that non-members could not be mentors of an
> incubating project
Bruce Snyder wrote:
> What do you mean fix the doc? Is it not the policy that mentors be
> members? I've seen and been involved in discussions where this was
> used as a reason that non-members could not be mentors of an
> incubating project.
Mentors are (MUST BE) Incubator PMC Members. ASF Memb
On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:49 PM, Ted Leung wrote:
On Jul 13, 2006, at 7:16 PM, David Blevins wrote:
In the ASF we do have PMC Chairs, period.
Now let's say, someone wins this debate on wether or not having a
PMC Chair from inside or outside the project is more or less
likely to result in d
On 7/13/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kenneth Tam wrote:
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html
> "A Mentor is a role undertaken by a permanent member of the Apache
> Software Foundation and is chosen by the Sponsor to actively lead in
> the di
On Jul 13, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Ted Leung wrote:
I don't know that I agree completely with you about the role of PMC
Chairs - sometimes a good PMC chair helps a project quite a bit
As the Chair? Or as a recognized leader by his or her peers based
upon the
weight o
On Jul 13, 2006, at 7:16 PM, David Blevins wrote:
In the ASF we do have PMC Chairs, period.
Now let's say, someone wins this debate on wether or not having a
PMC Chair from inside or outside the project is more or less likely
to result in dependence. I'm not of the opinion that we shouldn
Ted Leung wrote:
> I don't know that I agree completely with you about the role of PMC
> Chairs - sometimes a good PMC chair helps a project quite a bit
As the Chair? Or as a recognized leader by his or her peers based upon the
weight of experience and ideas, rather than the official role?
On Jul 13, 2006, at 5:49 PM, Ted Leung wrote:
On Jul 13, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
How hard is it to understand that the PMC Chair has no role (slight
hyperbole)? If the PMC Chair is a visible role, the community is
already in
trouble. The only role that a PMC Chair normall
On 7/13/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> It also allows this mentor to demonstrate the role of a chair
How hard is it to understand that the PMC Chair has no role (slight
hyperbole)?
Then I guess I would have to ask you, "how hard is it to understand
that t
Kenneth Tam wrote:
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html
> "A Mentor is a role undertaken by a permanent member of the Apache
> Software Foundation and is chosen by the Sponsor to actively lead in
> the discharge of their duties (listed above)."
We still haven'
On Jul 13, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
How hard is it to understand that the PMC Chair has no role (slight
hyperbole)? If the PMC Chair is a visible role, the community is
already in
trouble. The only role that a PMC Chair normally fills is getting the
quarterly report filed.
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html
"A Mentor is a role undertaken by a permanent member of the Apache
Software Foundation and is chosen by the Sponsor to actively lead in
the discharge of their duties (listed above)."
On 7/13/06, Ted Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Jul 13, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
I just want to note that we don't have a requirement that chairs be
members. I thought I recalled a rule that mentors had to be
members, but I can't quickly find confirmation of that.
Yep, I was the XML PMC chair for several years and not a mem
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> This addresses my concern about formally identifying the mentor who is
> taking the key responsibility for the podling (rather than three
> rarely available mentors with no one of them taking responsibility).
The problem isn't the lack of a single mentor, it is the failing
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Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> On 7/13/06, Davi
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
On 7/13/06, David Blevins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maybe you'd start with one of the mentors as chair then, maybe half way
through incubation, start grooming a new ppmc chair from within the
project.
+1
This addresses my concern about formally identifying the mentor who
On 7/13/06, David Blevins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maybe you'd start with one of the mentors as chair then, maybe half way
through incubation, start grooming a new ppmc chair from within the project.
+1
This addresses my concern about formally identifying the mentor who is
taking the key resp
On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Although history documents an unfortunately strong human tendency
towards
delegating to a hierarchical authority, the ASF philosophy is peer-
based,
not hierarchical. The PMC Chair is a legal requirement, not a
community
one, and a fallb
Jim Jagielski wrote:
This was addressed by the board a few months ago, where we
admitted that having several Mentors could make sense, but
that there needed to be one Mentor which was tasked with
the position of being the, for lack of a better term,
primary mentor. This was relayed to the Incuba
On Jul 12, 2006, at 1:39 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
On 7/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(And I'll note now that I'm interested in participating, although
can't
commit the time to be a mentor right now.)
this seems like a good opportunity to reintroduce an exi
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> i've been wondering whether the answer may be to have a chair for each
ppmc
> analogous to the role of the pmc chair.
I strongly disagree.
Although history documents an unfortunately strong human tendency towards
delegating to a hierarchical authority, the ASF phil
On 7/12/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 7/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(And I'll note now that I'm interested in participating, although can't
> commit the time to be a mentor right now.)
>
this seems like a good opportunity to reintroduce an exi
Erik Abele wrote:
On 12.07.2006, at 19:39, robert burrell donkin wrote:
On 7/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(And I'll note now that I'm interested in participating, although can't
commit the time to be a mentor right now.)
this seems like a good opportunity to reintr
I like the idea.
so +1 (non-binding)
but how should that really work?
Each incubator project could have nominated
two or three PMC members whose job is to pay attention to the project.
How does a podling know which to nominate etc?
The need for that is there, of course. I try to do the best
+1..
Mvgr,
Martin
robert burrell donkin wrote:
On 7/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(And I'll note now that I'm interested in participating, although can't
commit the time to be a mentor right now.)
this seems like a good opportunity to reintroduce an existing issue
On 12.07.2006, at 19:39, robert burrell donkin wrote:
On 7/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(And I'll note now that I'm interested in participating, although
can't
commit the time to be a mentor right now.)
this seems like a good opportunity to reintroduce an existing
On Jul 12, 2006, at 10:39 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
On 7/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(And I'll note now that I'm interested in participating, although
can't
commit the time to be a mentor right now.)
this seems like a good opportunity to reintroduce an exi
robert burrell donkin wrote:
On 7/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(And I'll note now that I'm interested in participating, although can't
commit the time to be a mentor right now.)
this seems like a good opportunity to reintroduce an existing issue (
http://mail-archive
On 7/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(And I'll note now that I'm interested in participating, although can't
commit the time to be a mentor right now.)
this seems like a good opportunity to reintroduce an existing issue (
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubato
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