Hi all.
I've been following this discussion for a while, collecting my
thoughts. I think I've actually come around to Eric Y's feeling here:
the project is closer to graduation than to retirement.
Chukwa, as a community, has a few distinctive features. The system is
specialized big-data
Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
pre-defeined time limit. There is no software that is gong to succeed in
this evaluation other than commercial software. Paid developers are
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote:
Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
pre-defeined time limit.
Chukwa has soon spent four years incubating, with
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Chukwa has soon spent four years incubating, with the activity level
dropping off significantly after the first year or two.
Sorry, correction: Chukwa has been incubating since July 2010 after
being a part of
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Bernd Fondermann
bernd.fonderm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com
wrote:
This is exactly what we did for the last months (years, actually).
Give it yet more time.
Honestly, I don't understand why
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote:
Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
pre-defeined time limit. There is no software that is gong to succeed in
this
On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:08 AM, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote:
Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
pre-defeined time limit. There is no software that is gong to succeed in
this
As chair of the IPMC, I do not think that it is appropriate to have a
vote to continue incubation for six months, with no consideration of
success in between. I think that it would be reasonable to put aside
the vote to retire, and expect a plan, with contributions from more
than one non-mentor,
The more the merrier! :)
Regards,
Alan
On Nov 26, 2012, at 11:50 PM, ant elder wrote:
Great to hear, one month seemed too short to accomplish so much. I'd be
happy to volunteer as another mentor if some fresh eyes will help.
...ant
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Alan Cabrera
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:08 AM, Eric Yang wrote:
Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
pre-defeined time limit. There is no software that is gong to succeed in
this evaluation other than
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Bernd Fondermann
bernd.fonderm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com
wrote:
This is exactly what we did for the last months (years,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
...I will remind the IPMC that seven months ago the specter of retirement was
raised. A lengthy discussion ensued.
Consensus was garnered. We even added committers with the hopes of infusing
new energy into the
On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:13 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
I will accept the voting result from IPMC,
and I wish IPMC would use better human sense to enable future project to
flourish.
This sounds like you're frustrated with your mentors. I'm sorry for
that and take part of the responsibility
On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
...I will remind the IPMC that seven months ago the specter of retirement
was raised. A lengthy discussion ensued.
Consensus was garnered. We even added
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya
nandana@gmail.com wrote:
Thinking in general not on this specific case, may be we can define a
formal warning for retirement for podlings where the PPMC has to come up
with a concrete plans for the next six months and some
-Original Message-
From: Alan Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com]
Sent: 27 November 2012 14:30
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: What constitute a successful project?
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...URLs? My brain's too small to remember all these discussions ;-)
It's on the private Chukwa list. How can I get these URLs?...
Message-ID is fine in this case
On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
What is described above is exactly what mentors should be doing in an
informal way. What Alan says happened below is what is proposed above.
I've not been following the project and can't agree or disagree with
Alan's interpretation of
Unless there are compelling reason to stop, i.e continuing breaches of
basic ASF polices and principles, then where possible letting a poddling
continue incubation or just graduate seems better to me than making them go
elsewhere. Its not like a small slow problem is chewing up ASF resources,
but
On Nov 27, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...URLs? My brain's too small to remember all these discussions ;-)
It's on the private Chukwa list.
On Nov 27, 2012, at 7:16 AM, ant elder wrote:
Unless there are compelling reason to stop, i.e continuing breaches of
basic ASF polices and principles, then where possible letting a poddling
continue incubation or just graduate seems better to me than making them go
elsewhere. Its not like a
Hi Alan,
In Wink, you voted +1, and in Chukwa, you voted -1. While the status are
similar between Chukwa and Wink, but what is the logic behind your votes?
In addition, Chukwa and Kafka are similar, and some Kafka design are
borrowed from Chukwa. Does your relationship with Kafka influence
Hi Suresh,
Anymore time spend in incubator is not productive. Developers would feel
threaten by the fact that the project is coming to the end and stop
contributing. I think the only way forward is to vote for graduation or
setup shop on github. IPMC can make good decisions when they are well
On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Eric Yang wrote:
snip/
The various comparisons are distractions. Let's focus on Chukwa and what can
be done.
If we are going to move forward, more time in incubation is not a realistic
option. The only way is vote for graduation and avoid the vicious cycle of
Continue the retirement vote, and see if it passes in IPMC. If it does, I
will gladly setup shop in github. If it doesn't, Chukwa community should
prepare for Chukwa 0.6.0 release, and start voting on Chukwa 0.6.0 release,
and follow by vote for graduation. Content in Chukwa trunk contains a
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote:
...With respect to the voting result, but it leaves me
puzzled that why should Chukwa be retired. When there are contributors,
and there are activities for growth...
Note that there's several -1s in the [VOTE] thread on
Actually there is activity. Only in September 2 new committers joined.
Looking at SVN, there is activity too:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/chukwa/trunk/src/main/java/org/apache/hadoop/chukwa/
Unfortunately the most active committer - if not the only one - is Eric.
For me (others may
On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
Actually there is activity. Only in September 2 new committers joined.
Looking at SVN, there is activity too:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/chukwa/trunk/src/main/java/org/apache/hadoop/chukwa/
Unfortunately the most active
On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Eric Yang wrote:
Hi IPMC,
For the past two years, Chukwa has been labelled as non-active project by
mentors, and has been put on votes for retiring this project by mentor and
IPMC.
In this year's stats, Chukwa has more activities in comparison to Apache
Wink
I wonder which steps were taken by mentors, community and pmc to foster a
community. I want to learn something from this case. Thanks.
26.11.2012 18:55 пользователь Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com написал:
On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Eric Yang wrote:
Hi IPMC,
For the past two years,
On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:51 AM, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
I wonder which steps were taken by mentors, community and pmc to foster a
community. I want to learn something from this case. Thanks.
When we had our first retirement discussion early this year it was the
consensus that we would wait until
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Eric Yang wrote:
Hi IPMC,
For the past two years, Chukwa has been labelled as non-active project by
mentors, and has been put on votes for retiring this project by mentor
and
IPMC.
Alan,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
Actually there is activity. Only in September 2 new committers joined.
Looking at SVN, there is activity too:
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
Even by the PPMC's comments they obliquely acknowledge that there's not much
activity and expressed an interested in simply keeping it around with the
hopes
that something would happen; there were no concrete ideas
On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
Even by the PPMC's comments they obliquely acknowledge that there's not much
activity and expressed an interested in simply keeping it around with the
hopes
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
As I mentioned in an earlier email, we did have this conversation seven
months ago. We came to a consensus to give it another try. We even added
a few committers a bit early with the hopes that they would infuse
+1 to Jukka's suggestion here. The world isn't going to end if we give them
another month, and beyond that, it will give someone besides Eric the
opportunity
to help cruft the plan (hopefully 2 people besides Eric, since that would mean
3 active peeps in the community).
If that plan can't be
On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
As I mentioned in an earlier email, we did have this conversation seven
months ago. We came to a consensus to give it another try. We even added
a few
If we decide to give the podling another chance I would prefer to give it
another six months rather than just one month. I don't think that a lot can
reasonably be accomplished in one month. I would also like to see some
milestones set in those six months. If the milestones are met or not
Alan, +1 from me.
Cheers,
Chris
On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:32 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
If we decide to give the podling another chance I would prefer to give it
another six months rather than just one month. I don't think that a lot can
reasonably be accomplished in one month. I would also
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
As I mentioned in an earlier email, we did have this conversation seven
months ago. We came to a consensus to give it another try. We
Great to hear, one month seemed too short to accomplish so much. I'd be
happy to volunteer as another mentor if some fresh eyes will help.
...ant
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Alan Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
If we decide to give the podling another chance I would prefer to give
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