[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-10-02 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno sab, 02/10/2010 alle 09.56 -0500, Dale ha scritto: > > Still on topic but I have a question and you are in the know on > this. > I'm running unstable portage, 2.2_rc67 to be exact. Does this new a > version of portage take care of this already? It sounds like it is > the > stable p

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Gentoos community communication rant

2010-09-07 Thread Jörg Schaible
Al wrote: >> Al, >> >> Do everyone a favor. Go use Gmane and tell us what exactly >> you'd be able to do that Gmane does not already do. >> It's archived, search-able (via keywords) and many, many >> other very cool features. > > I do you favour and confirm that it is a very cool web interface to

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: CUPS-PDF failing

2010-03-10 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Dirk, Dirk Uys wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Jörg Schaible > wrote: > >> >> Look into /etc/cups/cups-pdf. The individual spool directories must have >> proper access rights (like .ssh in your home) and match the UserUMask >> setting. Otherwise cups-pdf will not generate the PDF, s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: gentoo on ssds? intel anyone?

2009-12-06 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Holger Hoffstaette schrieb: >> I read something of setting stripe-width=128 to fit the erase block size >> of 512 kB ... dunno if that makes sense. > > Is this for a RAID? I'll gladly admit to complete lack of practical > experience wrt. stripe sizes and such. :) I simply read stuff like http:/

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: gentoo on ssds? intel anyone?

2009-12-04 Thread Holger Hoffstaette
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:29:56 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Holger Hoffstaette schrieb: > >> Been using one in my day-to-day workstation under both Windows and >> Gentoo (with ext4). > > Did you use any non-default settings when formatting? No. > As Intel-SSDs are back on stock here I ha

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: FIXED: Re: KDE3 removal

2009-11-28 Thread Jörg Schaible
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Saturday 28 November 2009 13:59:38 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >> > On Friday 27 November 2009 23:07:25 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >> > On Thursday 26 November 2009 19:34:34 James wrote: >> >> >> kde-4.3.1 went smooth, except >> >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: FIXED: Re: KDE3 removal

2009-11-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 28 November 2009 13:59:38 Jörg Schaible wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Friday 27 November 2009 23:07:25 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> > On Thursday 26 November 2009 19:34:34 James wrote: > >> >> kde-4.3.1 went smooth, except > >> >> for I have to manually rem

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: FIXED: Re: KDE3 removal

2009-11-28 Thread Jörg Schaible
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Friday 27 November 2009 23:07:25 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >> > On Thursday 26 November 2009 19:34:34 James wrote: >> >> kde-4.3.1 went smooth, except >> >> for I have to manually removed all the kde-3.5 packages. >> >> It had kde-meta-3.5.10. Is there

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: big fonts after Xorg update

2009-10-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Thorsten Kampe wrote: > * Paul Hartman (Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:38:12 -0500) >> >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Thorsten Kampe >> wrote: > >> > That was the solution. I checked the resolution before the upgrade with >> > "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" (Tip from the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: big fonts after Xorg update

2009-10-19 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Paul Hartman (Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:38:12 -0500) > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Thorsten Kampe > wrote: > > That was the solution. I checked the resolution before the upgrade with > > "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" (Tip from the German list): 75 dpi. > > Afterwards: 96 dpi. Setting it to 75

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Kmail / uw-imap problems

2009-10-15 Thread Stroller
On 15 Oct 2009, at 21:52, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: <56 lines removed> strange. did you also create the 'mailtransport' and acount settings from scratch, or did you copy stuff over from 3.5.10? I have done both. then I am out of ideas, sorry :( I have a suggestion: learn to snip. S

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Kmail / uw-imap problems

2009-10-15 Thread Elric Wolfsbruder
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> > On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: >> >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> >> > On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: >> >> >> Volker Armin

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Kmail / uw-imap problems

2009-10-15 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: > >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >> > On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: > >> >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >> >> > On Donnerst

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Kmail / uw-imap problems

2009-10-15 Thread Elric Wolfsbruder
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> > On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: >> >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> >> > On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: >> >> >> Hello all, >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Kmail / uw-imap problems

2009-10-15 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: > >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >> > On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: > >> >> Hello all, > >> >> > >> >> I am currently having

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Kmail / uw-imap problems

2009-10-15 Thread Elric Wolfsbruder
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> > On Donnerstag 15 Oktober 2009, Elric Wolfsbruder wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> I am currently having some interesting problems with kmail since the >> >> flagging of kde

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: device eth0 does not exist

2009-10-01 Thread Cinder
>Can you show the results of `modprobe -v e1000` please? Code: # modprobe -v e1000 FATAL: Module e1000 not found. ... but ... Code: # find /lib/modules/2.6.30-gentoo-r6/ -type f -iname '*.o' -or -iname '*.ko' | grep e1000 /lib/modules/2.6.30-gentoo-r6/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.ko Nothing

[gentoo-user] Re: re-extracting linux sources

2009-09-25 Thread walt
On 09/25/2009 02:35 PM, Maxim Wexler wrote: Hi group, After my last -uvDN world and subsequent revdep-rebuild and emerge --depclean I found the main Makefile under /usr/src/linux was missing. I managed to extract it from the sources and copy it over only to find that, naturally, many other file

[gentoo-user] Re: re-extracting linux sources

2009-09-25 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/26/2009 12:35 AM, Maxim Wexler wrote: Hi group, After my last -uvDN world and subsequent revdep-rebuild and emerge --depclean I found the main Makefile under /usr/src/linux was missing. I managed to extract it from the sources and copy it over only to find that, naturally, many other file

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: runlevels and service list

2009-09-21 Thread walt
On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 16:51 -0500, Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Sunday 20 September 2009 22:06:44 Dale wrote: > > > >> Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> > >>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:51:17 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >>> > /bin/bash is also shown in htop even though ba

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Blocked packages emerging xfce4-meta

2009-09-05 Thread Cinder
O.K.! I'm on the move! My Gentoo is updating deeply now \o/. I had tried unmerging man-pages-3, but I must have mistyped. Maybe it was the that <. Wow! Look at it Go! Thank you so much. I am overflowing with eternal gratitude. P.S. I wonder why my mail show's up blank when I reply.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: cloning + upgrade howto?

2009-07-28 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 27 Jul, ABCD wrote: > I believe the mask is still in place because of a couple issues with sets, > as well as issues with FEATURES=preserve-libs. I don't think so. I'm using the bleeding egde portage since several months now without any problems. These have been mask for 'political' reasons -

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: cloning + upgrade howto?

2009-07-27 Thread ABCD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:39:27 -0400, ABCD wrote: > >> > It should, unless you are woefully out of date. > >> Not true: the versions of portage that support sets (including @world) >> are all hardmasked currently. > > Still? I

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: LC_ locale settings for UK / GB.

2009-07-13 Thread ABCD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stroller wrote: > I'm reading this as to *only* set LANG instead. I'm assuming there are > occasions upon which a single program or package (at installation > time, or perhaps in a run script) may wish to over-ride only some of > the LC_* variables.

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Rate limiting TCP connections...

2008-08-18 Thread Holger Hoffstaette
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:23:27 +0100, gentoo_stev wrote: > Thanks... I was pretty sure that reserving a proportion of my LAN > bandwidth wouldn't help - though I didn't have that reference to hand. I'd > have been happy to rate-limit to 80mbps if that would have helped - though > I saw no reason tha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re enter chroot install

2008-05-16 Thread Alex Schuster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > # mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev > > [...] > > > Any of the above steps that are not necessary? > > Other have commented about the .../boot stuff but in dozens of times > chrooting during all kinds of install situations I've nev

[gentoo-user] Re: Re enter chroot install

2008-05-15 Thread James
newsguy.com> writes: > > # mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev > Other have commented about the .../boot stuff but in dozens of times > chrooting during all kinds of install situations I've never done > `mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev' > And far as I know it never caused me a problem.

[gentoo-user] Re: Re enter chroot install

2008-05-14 Thread reader
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > # mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev [...] > Any of the above steps that are not necessary? Other have commented about the .../boot stuff but in dozens of times chrooting during all kinds of install situations I've never done `mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gento

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-12 Thread Stroller
On 12 May 2008, at 14:07, Michael Schmarck wrote: ... Reasons: - "DOS Filesystems" (fat, ntfs) don't allow to store all the metadata you find on Linux. - "Linux filesystems" (ext*, reiser, ...) don't allow to store all the metadata you find on Windows. - Sharing backup space means, that it get'

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 12 May 2008 15:07:06 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > And last, but not least: Why should backup directories be shared in > the first place? They shouldn't, and I never stated that they should. -- Neil Bothwick I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-12 Thread Sandro Hannemann
> Correct. However you said, that "you need to access it (Linux backup > directories) from Windows too". And that's the main point and the point > that hasn't been answered yet: Why do you think, that such a need > exists? Suppose, you've got a project on which you work on both Windows and Li

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-12 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, 10 May 2008 08:07:25 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> At least I wouldn't store everything in the same directory. It would >> of course be a good idea to seperate things. > > When did I ever mention using a single directory to mix up all > back

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 09 May 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: > A backup device is just a storage appliance, if should not be > parochial about the origin of the data it stores. Agreed. I have gentoo boxes out there that contain backups for themselves, other gentoo machines, tens of various Windows machines and e

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-09 Thread Ian Hilt
On Fri, 9 May 2008 at 10:51pm +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: A backup device is just a storage appliance, if should not be parochial about the origin of the data it stores. hmmm ... parochial #include main() { printf("%s", parochial); } $ gcc parochial.c -o parochial $ ./parochial $

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:38:51 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> No. Not to a drive used for backups of Linux machines. > > > > Why? > > Different OS. So. We can use the same web pages, read the same email, why not share hardware? > > My partner has to use Windows for > > work, are you sa

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-09 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 08 May 2008 09:55:50 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> >> To a backup device? Why? >> > >> > Don't Windows users need to backup? >> >> No. Not to a drive used for backups of Linux machines. > > Why? Different OS. > You could equally be say

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 May 2008 16:00:49 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On the other hand, sharing storage space makes a lot of sense. > > until someone accidentally deletes an important backup from the other > one ;) You don't think I'd trust anyone else with the backups, do you? ;-) -- Neil Bo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-08 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag, 8. Mai 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 8 May 2008 13:21:28 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > uuh. Are you sharing your toothbrush too? > > Only when the battery goes flat in mine and I can't be bothered looking > for more, and only then when she isn't looking :) > > On the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 May 2008 13:21:28 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > uuh. Are you sharing your toothbrush too? Only when the battery goes flat in mine and I can't be bothered looking for more, and only then when she isn't looking :) On the other hand, sharing storage space makes a lot of sense. --

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-08 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag, 8. Mai 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 08 May 2008 09:55:50 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > > >> To a backup device? Why? > > > > > > Don't Windows users need to backup? > > > > No. Not to a drive used for backups of Linux machines. > > Why? You could equally be saying that Lin

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 08 May 2008 09:55:50 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> To a backup device? Why? > > > > Don't Windows users need to backup? > > No. Not to a drive used for backups of Linux machines. Why? You could equally be saying that Linux users don't need to backup to a drive used for Windows

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: tar a brand new Gentoo install to a USB drive for safe keeping?

2008-05-08 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 06 May 2008 14:40:08 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> > That hasn't been needed for a long time. Tar is able to detect bzip2 >> > and gzip compression and handle it automatically. >> >> That's only true for GNU tar. If you're also dealing wit

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-08 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 07 May 2008 17:16:01 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> >> Why not put ext* or reiserfs or whatever on such a drive? >> > >> > Because you need to access it from Windows too? >> >> To a backup device? Why? > > Don't Windows users need to back

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 07 May 2008 17:16:01 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > > > >> Why not put ext* or reiserfs or whatever on such a drive? > > > > > > Because you need to access it from Windows too? > > > > To a backup device? Why?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 07 May 2008 17:16:01 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> Why not put ext* or reiserfs or whatever on such a drive? > > > > Because you need to access it from Windows too? > > To a backup device? Why? Don't Windows users need to backup? -- Neil Bothwick Why is the alphabet in tha

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-07 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 07 May 2008 16:41:17 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> >> Can you elaborate more on the latter, please? What exactly is rsync >> >> relying on and which fs wouldn't meet the requirements. >> > >> > FAT on an external drive, >> >> Why not put

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 07 May 2008 16:41:17 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> Can you elaborate more on the latter, please? What exactly is rsync > >> relying on and which fs wouldn't meet the requirements. > > > > FAT on an external drive, > > Why not put ext* or reiserfs or whatever on such a drive? B

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-07 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 7 May 2008 09:57:02 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: > >> > rsync is good, but has its own disadvantages, notably the lack of >> > compression and the reliance on the destination filesystem to preserve >> > permissions. >> >> Can you elaborate more

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re-appearance of `waiting for lock' bug?

2008-05-01 Thread Robert Bridge
On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 23:21 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > I've seen similar messages a few times on my boxes recently, but each > time the emerge got going again after a short while. So I never really > bothered finding out exactly what is going on. I believe portage recently switched to using p

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re-appearance of `waiting for lock' bug?

2008-05-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 01 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ctrl-C to kill the emerge and > > rm /var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/.udev-120.portage_lockfile > > Egad and how many times have done that in other situations... > > I tried emerge -vC udev followed by emerge

[gentoo-user] Re: re-appearance of `waiting for lock' bug?

2008-05-01 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ctrl-C to kill the emerge and > rm /var/tmp/portage/sys-fs/.udev-120.portage_lockfile Egad and how many times have done that in other situations... I tried emerge -vC udev followed by emerge -v udev No help Its just udev-120 that does this. Before

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: KAudioCreator - Stopped Working

2008-04-30 Thread Anno v. Heimburg
Paul Sobey wrote: > Wow, well done that man! I got bitten by broken config files often enough in the early KDE 3.x days, especially on minor version changes. It has gotten much better since 3.3 or so though, I'm actually a bit suprised... Also, changing from SuSE on reiserfs to gentoo on xfs help

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: ssh-add: Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.

2008-04-16 Thread Eric Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Schmarck wrote: | Hello. | | · Eric Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: | |> Ok, so looking at your original post, gvfs, gnome-vfs, and seahorse were |> upgraded. | | Yes. | |> I'm not much of a gnome guy but I do know that apps do all |> sorts of str

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: ssh-add: Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.

2008-04-16 Thread Michael Schmarck
Hello. · Eric Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ok, so looking at your original post, gvfs, gnome-vfs, and seahorse were > upgraded. Yes. > I'm not much of a gnome guy but I do know that apps do all > sorts of strange stuff if I upgrade deps and don't restart them > (forget). When's the last time

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:27:59 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> It really depends on, from what side you're coming. If you want >> just a few packages, then all is well with the current approach. >> >> If you, however, want everything but a few package

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:27:59 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > It really depends on, from what side you're coming. If you want > just a few packages, then all is well with the current approach. > > If you, however, want everything but a few packages, then the > current approach isn't so fine anymo

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:36:45 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> >> Which majorly sucks, as there are good reasons why the packages >> >> should NOT be the way they are right now. >> > >> > Such as? >> >> Finer control, without cluttering the world fil

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:36:45 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> Which majorly sucks, as there are good reasons why the packages > >> should NOT be the way they are right now. > > > > Such as? > > Finer control, without cluttering the world file. What could be finer than picking which packa

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:42:51 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > NEVER unmerge a system package without building a binary package > > first. > > Tut, tut. Neil, where's the fun in that? The fun is in learning the rule in the first place. It's like making backups, no one does it because someone else

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: > Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:20:21 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> Which majorly sucks, as there are good reasons why the packages > >> should NOT be the way they are right now. > > > > Such as? > > Finer

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Dale
Michael Schmarck wrote: Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:20:21 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: Which majorly sucks, as there are good reasons why the packages should NOT be the way they are right now. Such as? Finer control, without clutter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:08:42 -0500, Dale wrote: > > It's been a while but make sure you have switched to the new gcc > > and it is working fine before removing the old one. Nothing worse > > than removing gcc then finding out the new one isn't . . .

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:20:21 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> Which majorly sucks, as there are good reasons why the packages >> should NOT be the way they are right now. > > Such as? Finer control, without cluttering the world file. > Hint: unclut

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:20:21 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > Which majorly sucks, as there are good reasons why the packages > should NOT be the way they are right now. Such as? Hint: uncluttering the world file is not a reason for changing the ebuilds, lthough it is a good reason for a more fr

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:01:31 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > > But that's exactly what it's for "merge this to pull in all > > non-developer, split kde-base/* packages". > > Not all -meta packages behave like that - eg. the gst-plugins-meta > package only pulls in, what's wanted (per USE flags

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Dale
Anthony Metcalf wrote: Dale wrote: It's been a while but make sure you have switched to the new gcc and it is working fine before removing the old one. Nothing worse than removing gcc then finding out the new one isn't . . . functional. Sort of fun to fix. Dale :-) :-) Tell me about

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:08:42 -0500, Dale wrote: > It's been a while but make sure you have switched to the new gcc and it > is working fine before removing the old one. Nothing worse than > removing gcc then finding out the new one isn't . . . functional. Sort > of fun to fix. NEVER unmerge

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Michael Schmarck
Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: >> > Maybe he does have multiple versions installed of those packages. >> > What >> >> For gcc: Yes. It's about time to dump gcc-3.4.6. > > Yes, I see now. --depclean is removing old SLOTS and the origina

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Anthony Metcalf
Dale wrote: It's been a while but make sure you have switched to the new gcc and it is working fine before removing the old one. Nothing worse than removing gcc then finding out the new one isn't . . . functional. Sort of fun to fix. Dale :-) :-) Tell me about it! Hint: Don't then un

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Dale
Michael Schmarck wrote: KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe he does have multiple versions installed of those packages. What For gcc: Yes. It's about time to dump gcc-3.4.6. is the output of for example: emerge -avP gcc ? $ emerge -avP gcc superuser access is required... a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: > > Maybe he does have multiple versions installed of those packages. > > What > > For gcc: Yes. It's about time to dump gcc-3.4.6. Yes, I see now. --depclean is removing old SLOTS and the original output is either very unverbose, or has been trim

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Michael Schmarck
KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe he does have multiple versions installed of those packages. What For gcc: Yes. It's about time to dump gcc-3.4.6. > is the output of for example: > emerge -avP gcc > ? $ emerge -avP gcc superuser access is required... adding --pretend to options. Calculat

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread KH
Maybe he does have multiple versions installed of those packages. What is the output of for example: emerge -avP gcc ? KH Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:39:11 +0200, Michael Schmar

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread KH
Hi, I use following approach: emerge --sync emerge -DuavN world dispatch-conf emerge --depclean -pv revdep-rebuild glsa-check -t all Whenever there is something changed on the way, I will start with the world command again. Sometimes depclean will remove something world will emerge again. I wa

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: > Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:39:11 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> > emerge --depclean > >> > >> thanks. 200 some packages, which would be removed. Quite a > >> lot. > > > > If you've removed kde-meta, I'

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Michael Schmarck
Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: >> Well, I disagree. I want to install almost all of the KDE stuff, >> but eg. not the PPP things, as I've got not use for that on that >> system. But I still would like my world file *NOT* to be cluttered

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: > Well, I disagree. I want to install almost all of the KDE stuff, > but eg. not the PPP things, as I've got not use for that on that > system. But I still would like my world file *NOT* to be cluttered > with a gazillion of kde packages. > > The cu

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:30:11 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> I think I removed kde-meta, because it installs too much stuff, >> that I don't need (like kppp). It would be nice, if the kde-meta >> ebuild would be more like the gst-plugins-meta package

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:39:11 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> > emerge --depclean >> >> thanks. 200 some packages, which would be removed. Quite a >> lot. > > If you've removed kde-meta, I'm not surprised. It's not (mainly) kde packages that show u

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: > Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> Connected question: How do I quickly find all the packages that > >> got installed as a dependency, but which are no longer needed, > >> because th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Anthony Metcalf
Michael Schmarck wrote: Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: Connected question: How do I quickly find all the packages that got installed as a dependency, but which are no longer needed, because the dependent package got removed (a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:39:11 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > > emerge --depclean > > thanks. 200 some packages, which would be removed. Quite a > lot. If you've removed kde-meta, I'm not surprised. > After removing stuff, a revdep-rebuild should be done, shouldn't > it? It won't hurt, alth

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: "emerge -DuvatN world" doesn't show all upgradeable packages

2008-04-08 Thread Michael Schmarck
Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: >> Connected question: How do I quickly find all the packages that >> got installed as a dependency, but which are no longer needed, >> because the dependent package got removed (as an example, I'd >> like

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-03 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 10:56 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Emergency shutdowns aren't about > > eliminating any problems in the case of a serious system hang, they are > > about minimising such damage. > > Absolutely correct! But Liviu asked, if the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-03 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:51:28 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> But nonetheless, there's still the risk that the KILL has >> destroyed the application database (sort of - more correctly: >> that the application and its database was in a "non consistent"

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-03 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:51:28 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > But nonetheless, there's still the risk that the KILL has > destroyed the application database (sort of - more correctly: > that the application and its database was in a "non consistent" > state when it received the signal). Yes, but

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:40:37 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> > Neil even proposed ALT + >> > SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and >> > unmounted. >> >> Which might or might not work. But note that I was also talking >> about ap

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Nvidia drivers

2008-04-02 Thread Steven Lembark
>> Maybe hell will also freeze over on that day. More likely pigs will floss... -- Steven Lembark +1 888 359 3508 Workhorse Computing 85-09 90th St [EMAIL PROTECTED] Woodhaven, NY 1142

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Michael Schmarck
Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: > >> You're not shutting down the system in a clean way. > > You're not? I thought that's the purpose of the whole thing? It's more like pulling the plug, isn't it? At least none of the shutdown

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Nvidia drivers

2008-04-02 Thread James
Gregory Shearman gmail.com> writes: > It looks like the kernel devs are trying to update references to the include > asm files and the nvidia devs are yet to catch up. Maybe one day nvidia will > release its driver specs and save itself a lot of trouble and money building > catchup linux driver

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently

2008-03-31 Thread Michael Schmarck
Uwe Thiem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 31 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: >> Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On 30 Mar 2008, at 06:47, Michael Schmarck wrote: >> >> ... >> >> In your world, an aggressor is doing nothing wrong? Do I >> >> understand that right? >> >> ... >> >

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently

2008-03-31 Thread Michael Schmarck
darren kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > quoth the Michael Schmarck: > >> My attitude? Well, maybe. But I rather think it has everything >> to do with Alan, who made a bad comment. > > Have you not noticed that you are the _only_ person upset by Alan's post? Yes, I have. > Why don't you think

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently

2008-03-31 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Monday 31 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: > Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 30 Mar 2008, at 06:47, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> ... > >> In your world, an aggressor is doing nothing wrong? Do I > >> understand that right? > >> ... > >> Get real. > > > > When you're describing some

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently

2008-03-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 31 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: > Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 30 Mar 2008, at 06:47, Michael Schmarck wrote: > >> ... > >> In your world, an aggressor is doing nothing wrong? Do I > >> understand that right? > >> ... > >> Get real. > > > > When you're describing some

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently

2008-03-30 Thread Michael Schmarck
Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 30 Mar 2008, at 06:47, Michael Schmarck wrote: >> ... >> In your world, an aggressor is doing nothing wrong? Do I understand >> that right? >> ... >> Get real. > > When you're describing someone who has annoyed you on the Internet as > an "aggressor" it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently

2008-03-29 Thread Stroller
On 28 Mar 2008, at 22:01, Hal Martin wrote: Michael Schmarck wrote: Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now, onto your actual problem. It is exceptionally hard to even attempt to provide a solution unless someone else fixed the exact same problem before, as you have not provided any

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: rhythmbox plays silently

2008-03-28 Thread Hal Martin
Michael Schmarck wrote: > Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Now, onto your actual problem. It is exceptionally hard to even attempt >> to provide a solution unless someone else fixed the exact same problem >> before, as you have not provided any configuration at all and very >> lit

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Gnome: No sound - "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found"

2008-03-27 Thread Michael Schmarck
Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: >> Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Perhaps you could file a feature request at b.g.o. to get the old >> > behaviour back. It seems entirely reasonable to me that rhythmbox >> > should DEPEN

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Gnome: No sound - "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found"

2008-03-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Michael Schmarck wrote: > Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps you could file a feature request at b.g.o. to get the old > > behaviour back. It seems entirely reasonable to me that rhythmbox > > should DEPENDs on gst-plugins-base which should conditionall

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Gnome: No sound - "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found"

2008-03-26 Thread Michael Schmarck
Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps you could file a feature request at b.g.o. to get the old > behaviour back. It seems entirely reasonable to me that rhythmbox > should DEPENDs on gst-plugins-base which should conditionally DEPEND > on -alsa or -oss (or other sound systems). Isn'

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