Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-23 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 17:34 -0500, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 2009-01-22 2:24 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: Subsequently once you have Ubuntu (or other Linux) installed, you could install the proprietary Nvidia or FGLRX drivers so that you can get a good resolution. Excellent point. Somebody

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 01/21/2009 03:33 PM, Lloyd Kvam wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 12:02 -0500, Lloyd Kvam wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:53 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: The question is, did you avoid paying for it anyway? Vista Home Premium appears to add $30 to the cost. The Vista laptop allows

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 2009-01-21 3:33 PM, Lloyd Kvam wrote: 2. was purchased at Staples, but, after installing Ubuntu, the screen driver was simply too slow to tolerate. We returned the laptop after running the Windows restore. I've seen the Dell sign in the window at Staples, but didn't

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 01/22/2009 12:55 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 2009-01-21 3:33 PM, Lloyd Kvam wrote: 2. was purchased at Staples, but, after installing Ubuntu, the screen driver was simply too slow to tolerate. We returned the laptop after running the Windows restore. I've

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: Subsequently once you have Ubuntu (or other Linux) installed, you could install the proprietary Nvidia or FGLRX drivers so that you can get a good resolution. Can the proprietary driver packages be copied to a separate USB

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 01/22/2009 03:02 PM, Ben Scott wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: Subsequently once you have Ubuntu (or other Linux) installed, you could install the proprietary Nvidia or FGLRX drivers so that you can get a good resolution. Can the

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 01/22/2009 03:02 PM, Ben Scott wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: Subsequently once you have Ubuntu (or other Linux) installed, you could install the proprietary Nvidia or FGLRX drivers so that you can get a good resolution. Can the

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 12:55 -0500, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 2009-01-21 3:33 PM, Lloyd Kvam wrote: 2. was purchased at Staples, but, after installing Ubuntu, the screen driver was simply too slow to tolerate. We returned the laptop after running the Windows restore.

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 01/22/2009 03:58 PM, Lloyd Kvam wrote: Yes they do have units you can try. Most systems work OK with Linux and when Steph and I were shopping around, the main issue was the laptops with numeric keypads - the keypads did not work in our quick fiddling. I assume that could be remedied with a

in-store Laptop testing (was Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu)

2009-01-22 Thread Alan Johnson
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: On 01/22/2009 03:02 PM, Ben Scott wrote: Can the proprietary driver packages be copied to a separate USB flash drive, and then installed into the in-RAM live system? The simple answer is yes. What you would need to do is

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: If you buy a Dell, I *strongly* recommend the Gold Tech Support package ... If you buy Gold Tech Support, what do you get if you buy a laptop with Windows installed and install another OS,, like Fedora or Ubuntu. I've

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Lloyd Kvam pyt...@venix.com wrote: The HP laptop that was too slow did OK in casual store browsing. However, once Steph started trying to do some real work on the laptop, the screen scrolling was just too slow. That's almost certainly due to video drivers.

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: Can the proprietary driver packages be copied to a separate USB flash drive, and then installed into the in-RAM live system? The simple answer is yes. What you would need to do is to is to open up the iso, copy in the

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 2009-01-22 2:24 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: Subsequently once you have Ubuntu (or other Linux) installed, you could install the proprietary Nvidia or FGLRX drivers so that you can get a good resolution. Excellent point. Somebody could do custom spin in Fedora-land with revisor, or... heck, I

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-22 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 17:20 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: Can the proprietary driver packages be copied to a separate USB flash drive, and then installed into the in-RAM live system? The simple answer is yes. What you would

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2009-01-21 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 12:02 -0500, Lloyd Kvam wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:53 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: The question is, did you avoid paying for it anyway? Vista Home Premium appears to add $30 to the cost. The Vista laptop allows for some lower cost options that are not available

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-12-02 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 08:35 -0500, Lloyd Kvam wrote: On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 17:02 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: Don't suppose you would be willing to see how a fedora 10 live cd behaves before you do?... There was no opportunity to try Fedora 10. I suppose there is a pretty good chance

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-12-02 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 14:48 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: Sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean it like dude, you should use Fedora, I was the one who was not clear. I understood that it was simply a debugging suggestion. I meant would you be willing to see if this bug can be reproduced with

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-26 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:24 -0500, Nikkiana H. wrote: I bought both the Studio 15 and the Mini recently and am pretty happy with them. Well the Dell Studio 15 arrived yesterday. When I tried to boot it, the splash screens and text boot messages worked fine. However, when it came time to draw

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-26 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Nov 26, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:24 -0500, Nikkiana H. wrote: I bought both the Studio 15 and the Mini recently and am pretty happy with them. Well the Dell Studio 15 arrived yesterday. When I tried to boot it, the splash screens

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-26 Thread michael miller
About 2 mo ago I needed to upgrade my wife's laptop computer. I saw an Acer for just under $400 at Best Buy that looked interesting. I'm not an Acer fan, but at that price for a 15.5 LCD laptop with an Intel dual core 2GHz T3200, 2GB DDR2, 160GB HD, DVD DL burner and wlan I thought it was worth

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-26 Thread Alex Hewitt
michael miller wrote: About 2 mo ago I needed to upgrade my wife's laptop computer. I saw an Acer for just under $400 at Best Buy that looked interesting. I'm not an Acer fan, but at that price for a 15.5 LCD laptop with an Intel dual core 2GHz T3200, 2GB DDR2, 160GB HD, DVD DL burner and

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-17 Thread Bill McGonigle
Jerry Feldman wrote: When replying, please reply only to the list, not directly to the original senders. When replying, please reply to the senders and the list - it keeps the discussion flowing among those who employ mail filtering. Those who don't like this behavior can easily deal with it

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-15 Thread Dan Jenkins
Greg Rundlett wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:53 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: The question is, did you avoid paying for it anyway? Vista Home Premium appears to add $30 to the cost.

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-15 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 11/14/2008 11:03 PM, Greg Rundlett wrote: I've noticed many vendors offering a Windows XP downgrade for an additional fee. I just ordered a Lenovo notebook, and they do that. I don't know what to say about paying not to get something other than it sounds like a mafia racket. /me shakes

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-15 Thread H. Kurth Bemis
I guess I'll throw my two cents in... While a non-standard unit (no OS, etc) is out of process, I would imagine that Microsoft's OEM licensing Agreement forces the OEM to sell a percentage of units with the latest Microsoft bloatware, and I'd imagine that percentage or term to be somewhere around

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-15 Thread Peter Dobratz
I guess I'll throw my two cents in... while we're throwing pennies around, I think a lot of time when you buy a computer with Windows, you're actually getting the Windows OS and a bunch of other software that you'd rather not have (crapware). These are programs that have some means of generating

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-15 Thread Jerry Feldman
While I don't know what the contract terms are, a while back Dell was prevented from selling consumer PCs with other than Windows. I also believe that applied to Compaq. Before the merger, both Compaq and HP had a contract that allowed them to sell business systems with Linux because both were

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-15 Thread Jerry Feldman
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Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-15 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 11/15/2008 12:47 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: while we're throwing pennies around, I think a lot of time when you buy a computer with Windows, you're actually getting the Windows OS and a bunch of other software that you'd rather not have (crapware). These are programs that have some means of

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-14 Thread Ted Roche
Lloyd Kvam wrote: My daughter's laptop has a failing disk drive. I've backed up her data. The laptop is old enough that we want to replace it. I'm looking for suggestions as to where I can get a reasonable laptop with Ubuntu or simply bare. I can handle the Ubuntu installation. I have

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-14 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:24 -0500, Nikkiana H. wrote: Actually, Dell does sell them on the web, you just have to go to the right second on the website to find it. (In the Laptops Mini dropdown nav, it's under Open Source PCs). If you try to go through the selector thing on the main page, the

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-14 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 08:04 -0500, Ted Roche wrote: Lloyd Kvam wrote: My daughter's laptop has a failing disk drive. I've backed up her data. The laptop is old enough that we want to replace it. I'm looking for suggestions as to where I can get a reasonable laptop with Ubuntu or simply

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-14 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least we managed to avoid buying an unwanted Windows license. The question is, did you avoid paying for it anyway? I've noticed in the past that many PCs being sold without a Windows license cost the same as the ones

RE: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-14 Thread Michael Pelletier
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:54 AM To: Greater NH Linux User Group Subject: Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least we managed to avoid buying

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-14 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:53 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least we managed to avoid buying an unwanted Windows license. The question is, did you avoid paying for it anyway? I've noticed in the past that many PCs being

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-14 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:53 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: The question is, did you avoid paying for it anyway? Vista Home Premium appears to add $30 to the cost. The Vista laptop allows for some lower cost options that are not available in the Ubuntu configurations. Once all the hardware got

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-14 Thread Greg Rundlett
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:53 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: The question is, did you avoid paying for it anyway? Vista Home Premium appears to add $30 to the cost. I've noticed many vendors offering a Windows XP downgrade for an

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-13 Thread Nikkiana H.
Actually, Dell does sell them on the web, you just have to go to the right second on the website to find it. (In the Laptops Mini dropdown nav, it's under Open Source PCs). If you try to go through the selector thing on the main page, the only thing that shows up with Ubuntu is the Mini. But to

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-13 Thread mark
Walmart still sells laptops with Linux preloaded on-line: http://www.walmart.com/browse/Computers/Laptop-Computers/All-Laptop-Computers/_/N-3xtzZaq9c?catNavId=69ic=48_0path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A4070ref=125875.183815+50.500592 mark ___

Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu

2008-11-13 Thread Bill McGonigle
My daughter's laptop has a failing disk drive. I've backed up her data. The laptop is old enough that we want to replace it. I'm looking for suggestions as to where I can get a reasonable laptop with Ubuntu or simply bare. I can handle the Ubuntu installation. Dell no longer offers Ubuntu