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and manouvering is quite different
from the treat of use of physical violence against
specific individuals. Can we say Mob rule?
Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote:
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Joe: Good! Then this issue
Just to let everyone, Gilbert's comments below are yet
another spin in his attempt to deflect blame from the
church.
It is well known that Goa was ruled by a Muslim leader
by the name of Adil Shah when the Portuguese attacked
Goa. In fact, the Portuguese received support from
neighboring Hindu
Cornel,
Child labor was alive and well in socialist India as
well. This has nothing to do with capitalism. While no
one should condone child labor, one should realize
that it is the children's parents in many cases who
have sold them to virtual slavery. Furthermore, it is
India's 50 years of its
I dont recall putting down Gopinath personally. All I
said that Air Deccan's IPO did not go very well.
For a market like India, I would tend to agree that
low cost, no frills service will garner the majority
of the market share. Logistically, most flights in
India are of a very short duration (3
Gilbert,
Thank you for your long winded attempt to weasel out
an explanation. The more you write, the more you
expose your prejudices.
If you wish to ignore the mountains of independent
research that has been done on this issue and choose
to ignore the material evidence that still exists on
the
Mario replies:
Many things that are well known are based on
rumors
and don't have the slightest evidence.
Obviously Mario has not bothered to read the threads
from 2004.
Once he is done reading those threads, he should read:
Flight of the Deities: Hindu Resistance in Portuguese
Goa,
It is unfortunate that Mario has joined the likes of
Gilbert who deny that Hindu temples were destroyed
during the inquisition and replaced by catholic
churches - despite the volumes of research and
evidence that has been documented.
The destruction of hindu temples in Pakistan does not
in anyway
The real question that should be asked is whether
these so called low cost airlines are making any
money. Alternatively are their market share gains from
genuinely lower cost operations or their lower prices
regardless of costs. I would be very surprised that an
airline like Kingfisher has a lower
--- Joe Blessed Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marlon, first of, you do not need the Governments
decision or permission to
protest thats why it is called protest -- nor
does it mandate a public
vote or poll - even a lone (individual) person has
the fundamental right to
protest. Do
The discussion two years ago on Goanet highlighted
several sources that provided evidence of Catholic
churches being built on Hindu temples. There are many
references on this topic. As a side note, based on my
readings I visited the Divar church (my family is from
Divar) and sure enough, saw the
I am surprised that Mario would consider himself as
being a committed catholic as he has publicly
denounced the Pope and the church hierarchy. I think
it would be more appropriate to say that Mario is in
between a rock and a hard place. Definitely no rock
solid code however!
Marlon
--- cornel
I find it interesting that people from the extremist
religious right have no issue with enforcing their
hard line religious views, with no regard to the rule
of law. Contrary to the false subject line, there was
no legal ban on the movie as it had already passed the
requirements of the government
I have already posted my response in my reply to Mario
with the necessary archived links as well as specfic
quotes by Gilbert. It clearly shows Gilbert's refusal
to accept the crimes committed by the church against
the hindu majority during the inquisition - which
included the destruction of
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marlon,
If the secular welfare state has become so
excessive,
then why are there still so many Christian social
service agencies all over the place, and nary an
atheist social service agency to be found anywhere?
---
The government (in most modern
Some people have a very selective or very short
memories! Mario has himself been guilty of backing an
individual who made unfortuate comments against a
muslim goanetter by the name of Tariq Siddiqi on this
this very forum. Ironically, although this person
later retracted his statements, Mario
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I agree with Gilbert. There should not be any bans on
conversions in India or anywhere. Religion (as Gilbert
correctly described with his example of Christianity
in France), like any business, is all about spin and
marketing. It does not have to be based on facts, but
is focused on making the
It is indeed very reassuring to see Christianity alive
and well in India! I suggest all the vocal defenders
of the faith on goanet, draw up a collection and
assist Nicholas Almedia in his efforts to have Dan
Brown murdered and decapitated.
Praise the lord!
Marlon
--- Frederick Noronha [EMAIL
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So Mario, are you for or against the attempt by the
church to ban the film? Looks to me like you are
straddling the fence, which it makes all your
superficial pleas for the defence of Iraqi freedom
sound quite hollow!
It is ironic that all this zeal for banning things is
taking place right now.
Aristo,
While you acknowledge the gross problems with the
reservations system, I do not believe your proposals
address the fundamental flaws of the reservations
system in the first place. I cannot accept the
propagation if new injustices to make up for
injustices that occured hundreds of years
RKN and Nasci
Nasci was perhaps a little careless in not being more
specific about the christian god he brays to.
Christians too have many gods and depending upon which
god you pray to, your mileage will obviously vary.
To begin with, there is the holy trinity - the Father,
son (Jesus) and the
--
Domnic Fernandes continues (Part III) his reminiscence of
Mapusa of the 1950s
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about
Mervyn Lobo:
No one should be surprised that the above comments
come from the most virulent anti-American on Goanet
and an apologist for the Islamo-fascists, both
sentiments crystal clear from the comment above.
---
Mervyn is so virulently
Peter,
There is a big difference between deportation versus
arrest/detention and possibly torture for multiple
years without a trial.
There is little or no oversight to the US government's
activities in Guantanamo. So long as it remains
closed, questions- justified or otherwise will
continue to
--- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marlon,
For a real world idea idea of what the homeschooling
movement is all
about please visit a local homeschooling group in
your area. They
typically meet once a month. The site you referred
me to has gems like
this 80% of families who home
Being different and unaccountable does not necessarily
make something more successful or better! Many of the
home schooling activities in the US are motivated by
religious extremists who do not accept the precepts of
modern science (eg. creationism over evolution) and
therefore not very different
Are there athletic clubs in Goa that one could
sponsor? I think Goa is potentially a great venue for
Triathalon type events, specially in the more secluded
South Goa area. The relatively calm coves in say the
Palolem area would be perfect for a multi kilometer
swim and the roads around there would
I would like to pay tribute to the exempleary courage
exhibited by Heman and Como in pushing for the
immediate execution of these alleged criminals.
However, as a good hearted and peace loving Goan, I am
troubled that we cannot reach a consensus on the means
of execution. Como has suggested the
Folks,
I dont know about you, but I am getting tired of this back and forth. I
suggest goanet takes a poll to test out Mario's hypothesis below that he is
more credible, honest, less abusive and generally speaking, more intelligent
than Santosh. Let this poll end this endless bickering.
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--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are SEVERAL scientists who believe that
whatever
global warming is taking place cannot be blamed on
human activity. Other scientists report opposing
research findings. Nature Magazine recently
reported
one scientific study that Europe was
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The US believes that while there may be
global warming taking place there is no rational
evidence that it is being caused by human activity.
Therefore controls should be voluntary. The US has
increasingly implemented environmental standards,
but
I am happy to announce that Roy Furtado of Essence of
Goa (aka. Goanfoods) has obtained USDA approval for
his renowned Goa Sausages. It has truly been a labor
of love on his part and I am thrilled that he has
finally succeeded after encountering many hurdles.
Users can purchase his products
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Mario adds:
I strongly endorse Floriano's suggestion shown
above.
I had no idea that overseas, part-time, long
distance
Goans even had the gall to take such credit.
As one who has been accused of an overseas mouth
that
is louder than most, my loud mouth is firmly on the
side of
The reason for this, specially for long haul flights
from N.America to India may be because the online
travel services only seem to display the full fare
ticketed prices, which are simply not competitive.
I'm not too sure why this is. It may be due to
capacity constraints for flights going to or
JoeGoa,
Is this ban only applicable to products brought in from India? What about products that are produced in the US and approved by the FDA? The reason I ask is that Roy Furtado(of goanfoods.com) has been getting a lot of requests from the UK (and places where there are large expat goan
Agnelo and everyone,
It is indeed an honor to have Agmelo join us on goanet. As one of the founders
of the Goa Independence Clown Party, Agnolo has played a pivotal role in the
hard and often bloody struggle for goanese independence. Mario's double vision
and persistance has acted as a beacon
Since I have received a lot of requests about this and goanfoods I am posting this on goanet.
The chat site's URL is http://www.goanconnect.com
However, it should be up by the middle to end of next week.
Also, all the original content from the original goacom site is now at www.goacom.org
Marlon
Ronald,
The site is www.goanfoods.com. However FDA approval has been delayed by about a month which means that you cannot buy sausages online for now. You can contact Roy directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to see if he has any samples. Hehas sent me many of his samples for taste testingand I have to
http://specials.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/12sld1.htm
Fred,
I am not pro microsoft or anti linux and dont have any
allegiences to any camp. 12 years ago (scary how time
flies) while writing up my MS thesis, I had a
nightmare using a variety of the well known microsoft
products and ended up doing some of my work on a mac.
4 years after that when it
Latex was great in the DOS and early Windows era when
the editing software and the underlying hardware (x86
based PCs) were unable to handle the graphic rich and
numerically intense content that was utilized in
typical technical theses. Conversely, Latex was
primarily run on unix based work
--- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
China's auto industry is so young and yet they are
manufacturing cars quite
good and above all very cheaply (half the cost)
compared to European/
American/Indian prices. Last week , 400 cars, medium
duty and two wheel
drive, manual
--- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
July 6, 2005
The Foundation
Jill Carattini
But it has been done, and is done, and often we have
learned the hard way,
if we have learned at all. The philosophy of
Frederick Nietzsche played
such games, making assertions aimed at changing the
--- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marlon,
I had to stop reading here.
The reason is that the prince of darkness has
taken
over the author. When you take 1,575 and reduce it
to
0, you get a decline of 100%. A decline of 350% is a
concept that only the prince of darkness, the
I found the following inspiring information on the
church. To all those who say that the church is in a
crisis, dream on! God jesus is the supreme being who
obviously knows what he is doing. Praise the lord!
Priests. After skyrocketing from about 27,000 in 1930
to 58,000 in 1965, the number of
The waning of Satan's power
As the power of the Christian Church has waned, so too
has the power of Satan. It is no accident that Satan
reached the peak of his career at the same time the
Church did, during the thirteenth century. During the
Middle Ages, the Devil was said to have built
Hadrian's
Fr. Ivo,
You are trying to have your cake and eat it too! It is
like saying that you sympathize with the terrorists,
but dont actually endorse what they are doing.
It just higlights my personal view that one cannot
really negotiate or coexist with religious
fundamentalists as they wish to
Kevin,
Obviously, some of the fundamentalists on this list
simply do not get it. Here is a nice email I
received from one such person. I have deleted his
email to protect his identity. The threat was not from
any one recently involved in the various debates on
goanet.
BTW, any tips from anyone
Haha Peter, that is good point! Obviously both sides
of the debate can resort to hyperbole to make, or
should I say, weaken their case.
Marlon
Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] asks:
Joe,
How does questioning the authenticity of Jesus's
alleged miracles constitute a gruesome attack
--- Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We didnt see George addressing the miracles? issue
in 2001 when that
discussion was on, --- after all Pinto is a devote
loyalist. He gladly let
those gruesome attacks by his friend go bye, without
a word. Interestingly,
a man who does not believe
--- Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are probably right about a bust following the
boom. In the U.S. (in the
80s) and in Europe (in the 90s) airline bubbles have
been followed by busts.
Asia may not be very different during this decade.
It is also true that everybody does
that many in this
and in previous US adminstrations had no issues
working with Saddam and a variety of other regimes. If
it is good for business, it is good - period.
Marlon
--- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
/Marlon Menezes writes:///
Personally, I dont give a hoot that people
This is absolutely nuts. Are we seeing another dot com
like craze before a bust? I cannot imagine India's
current or proposed aviation infrastructure will be
able to handle such a rapid rise in aircraft load.
As for the person leading Indigo, is it not the same
person who was blamed for and
--- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SH:
Who according to you is opposed to a free Iraq? One
who disagrees with the policies of the present U.S.
administration?
PD'S:
This is not according to me, sorry. Those opposed
to a free Iraq were very
Peter,
The logs also reveal that Chris Vaz made some rather
racist comments on the Arab community in Michigan. I'm
sure you dont agree with those comments of his!
Likewise, your bunching of groups into two political
categories, viz, liberals and conservatives is overly
simplistic. There are many
Salus,
I think the following lyrics by Gowan from his 80's
hit A Criminal Mind are an apt response to your
prayers for me.
.
.
.
Before you hand me over
Before you read my sentence
I'd like to say a few words
Here in my own defense
Some people struggle daily
They struggle with their concience
Hold it right there Cecil! I believe I am a bigger
sinner than you, Kevin and Santosh and therefore
request that I be given priority in Salus' prayer
allotment. Given the number of character
assassinations, email hijackings, server hackings,
mail bombings and identity impersonations I have been
Fr. Ivo,
Thank you for taking the time to respond. If you feel
that science is based on unverifiable opinion and
unsubstantiated facts, I dont belive this discussion
will go very far. Science is obviously not perfect,
which is why it promotes an environment for healthy
debate and self
What Fr. Ivo is stating is just opinion. Currently
there is no definitive scientific evidence that
indicates that homo-sexuality is socio-cultural or is
endemic to a certain fraction of the human population.
The simplistic opinions of the church that has been
wrong on so many issues cannot be
Philip,
Our plans for creating a Goa Airlines is in serious
trouble. As many readers may know, Air India has
decided to acquire several Boeing aircraft, not to
mention the 777 200LR. This will hopefully enable
direct flights from America's west coast to Bombay.
Marlon
--- Philip Thomas [EMAIL
Haha. Not only does Christ seem to change his mind
over time, he also seems to be telling the various
christian/protestant sects different things at the
SAME time! I gather the sun once revolved around the
earth.
Jesus was a great man. Obviously the people who
worship him (or think they do) have
1) Women are considered unclean when it is that time
of the month. - source: domnic fernandes
2) Jesus did not have female disciples. Mary Magdelene
was actually a transvestite. - source: maurice dmello
3) It is difficult for female priests to molest
children - source: general criminal
Gilbert,
Maybe having women cook food is a novel concept in
your home, or for people of your generation. However
in most Goan (and non Goan)dual income homes I have
been to (in N.America at least), sharing
responsibility on home chores is pretty routine.
So other than coming with excuses on why
This is exactly the point I am trying to make. What
fraction of the self proclaimed true catholics
actually practice or believe in all the tenants of
their religion. Heck, what fraction of the clergy do
the same? (I am assuming that child molestation is not
one of required tasks of the clergy!)
Except for a few of my catholic friends who are out
there, very few of them believe in any or all of
these christian mythologies, or should I say myths.
If a person today were to claim virginal conception, a
simple genetic test would have settled the issue. If
the person still persisted such a
One often gets the disclaimer when investing that past
performance is no guarantee for future performance.
I think with the spread of democracy around the world
as well with the advent of greater levels of education
and access to information, people today EXPECT greater
levels of openness and
--- Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Viviana wrote:
Personally I'm insulted by the notion that people
without formal
education and without money are by definition
stupid and gullible, and
I'm surprised that a man of your liberal
sensibilities would imply such
a
Carlos,
If they start serving sannas as a substitute for
communion and feni for wine, I will happily reverse my
stance on a Goan pope!
It will also encourage me and a lot of my friends to
attend church more regularly :)
Praise the Lard! (btw, are sanna's lard free?)
Marlon
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George,
Would not the nomination of a Indian pope also suggest
a pseudo-colonialist mentality .. afterall, the Indian
pope would serve as a figure head/puppet to encourage
the spread of a foreign culture and religion in a
heathen (aka hindu) nation.
Furthermore, would it not be better to
No. The Brahmos is a short range tactical missile
unlike India's longer range Agni which is capable of
covering much of China, the middle east and all of
Pakistan. As such, the location sites of the Agni
remain secret. The Brahmos is mainly meant to be used
as a anti-ship missile. It is viewed by
Actually Santosh, Rebecca does have a point. Mario
posted an obvious internet hoax on goanet, and later
acknowledged its lack of authenticity. Although he and
others did try to rationalize his logic for posting it
on goanet, the admission that it was a hoax should
have settled the debate. Pounding
Gabriel,
To quote Mario, will you quit bombarding us with your
extreme leftist drivel? What you claim to be happening
in a socialist Australia or Europe is not relevant to
a great nation such as America. We do not have public
transportation over here. We like the freedom of
slowing inching
PD,
Unfortunately for you, most of the world does not
subscribe to your point of view. In today's world,
concepts such as free thinking, freedom of speech and
free market capitalism are sacrosanct, not religion.
If the church can make money selling real or imaginary
god(s), why can't the author of
Cecil,
Thanks for informing us about this movie. A fictional
movie on what is quite possibly a fictional concept
(aka christianity) - I dont see anything wrong with
it!
I should also be thankful to the Christian Secular
Taliban Forum for publicising this movie as well. I
did not even know it was
The moves by the US government to block this
communalist is a very positive move. The next
objective should be a world wide campaign to prosecute
Modi for crimes against humanity. This would make Modi
liable for arrest in any nation he were to vist. Come
to think of it, would not India be bound to
Cornel,
I dont recall bringing god into discussion of caste.
Quite possibly, god is yet another man made
construct like caste.
I stand by my opinion that the issue of caste is very
less relevant to people of my generation than perhaps
yours. Having lived and studied in India for many
years and
I am glad to know that Philip is an enthusiastic
supporter of utilizing maglev technology for Goa in
order to better serve the needs of Goa's expats and
tourists. I must commend Philip for having the insight
to realize the importance of the tourist sector to
Goa's economy and its connection to
Mario,
Luckily for you and a few others, I have been busy
cleaning butts, instead of kicking them. Funny thing
is that I enjoy doing both, though I will admit that I
needed a little bit of practice with the former :)
Marlon
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey, Marlon,
Where've you
Philip,
Given that the majority of goans now rely on air
transport, your point on concentrating resources on
improving airport connectivity between Dabolim and the
yet to built Mopa is very logical.
For a wealthy state like Goa, I do however feel that
relying on a conventional rail link is
I fully agree with Carlos. For most young Goans, the
issue of cast is irrelevant.
It is interesting to note that this heated discussion
about nothing is primarily taking place amongst
goanet's geriatric members. I say this tongue in cheek
to highlight another real issue - age discrimination.
I
Gilbert seems to have difficulty differentiating
between personal freedom of expression and government
sanctioned propaganda.
First of all, contrary to what Gilbert claims, the
KKK, Aryan Nation and other white supremist groups are
free to express their opinions in the United States -
and
Folks,
I must bear full responsibility for the recent hidden
identity saga. When I made the request to the admin
team, my intention was truly altruistic. There have
been some posters like UKnow-who, who have done such a
bad job in masking their phony multiple indentities,
that one felt compelled
After reading Cecil's and Fred's reaction to this
communal film, Sandeep's comments backing this film
that spews hatred against religious minorities makes
zero sense.
I dont know how opposition to bigotry can be
construed as being an assault on freedom or knowledge.
Furthermore, Sandeep seeks to
Gaspar,
No one is denying your excellent ability of cutting
and pasting stale copyrighted articles in its entirety
without permission! I'm sure UKnow what I mean.
Of greater concern is your inability to properly mask
your identity when you try and impersonate others.
After doing this for several
For the record, the stated identity of this poster is
bogus, which is made all the more obvious since this
phony poster is also severly spelling challenged with
respect to last names.
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