Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2019-09-23 Thread Fear
My friend says this update broke permissions for file saving. The game cannot write new files. He said to send these errors: Saving C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\tf2_sound_vo_english.vpk.sound.cacheWARN_FILEWRITE - Asked to write to 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\

[hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2017-04-14 Thread John Schoenick
We've released an optional update for Team Fortress 2. The note for the update is below. The new server version number is 3914266. Server operators only need to install this update if they are experiencing the crash below. - John - - Fixed crash when running on systems without AVX support

[hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2016-11-18 Thread John Schoenick
We've released an optional update for Team Fortress 2. The note for the update is below. The new server version number is 3703329. Community servers only need this update if they are interested in the CELT codec beta. The mentioned ReadPreserveEnt fix is a client-side update only. - John -

[hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2016-09-09 Thread John Schoenick
We've released an optional update for Team Fortress 2. The note for the update is below. The new server version number is 3600545. - John - - Fixthe Righteous Bison projectiles colliding with, but not impacting, some doors (ex. the BLU spawn doors of cp_mountainlab) - Updated the localizatio

[hlds] Optional TF2 update released (heads up @ bootcamp operators)

2016-08-30 Thread John Schoenick
An optional update is available for TF2 servers. The new version number is 3593021. This update is only needed if you are running bootcamp. There are no player-visible changes. For bootcamp server operators: This update is in preparation for TF system maintenance that will occur later today. It

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2016-08-19 Thread supp...@boomgaming.net
Thank God this was fixed! It sucks to spend over an hour on a mission and have it crash. And it happened to my group 3 times. Thanks for fixing it so quickly! On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > We've released an optional update for Team Fortress 2. The note for the > update is

[hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2016-08-19 Thread Eric Smith
We've released an optional update for Team Fortress 2. The note for the update is below. You only need to update if your server has been crashing since the TF2 update earlier this week. Thanks. -Eric --- - Fixed a common server crash that primarily occurred dur

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2016-07-08 Thread Saint K.
Are you absolutely nuts? From: Jacob To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Sent: 7/8/2016 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released This might not be the correct place for this, and I'm sorry if it's not, but are there any plans

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2016-07-07 Thread Christian Deacon
After applying this optional update, my server crashed with the following engine error on map change: Engine error: Unable to load manifest file 'scripts/soundscapes_manifest.txt' Is there anybody else having this issue? My server was running stable with population for hours but as soon as

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2016-07-07 Thread Jacob
This might not be the correct place for this, and I'm sorry if it's not, but are there any plans to return quickplay? On Jul 8, 2016, at 12:58 AM, Eric Smith wrote: We’ve released an optional dedicated server update the fixes the Medic’s run speed not adjusting when his heal target is killed.

[hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2016-07-07 Thread Eric Smith
We've released an optional dedicated server update the fixes the Medic's run speed not adjusting when his heal target is killed. You do not need this update unless you are experiencing this problem. Thanks. -Eric ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list pr

[hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-12-07 Thread Eric Smith
We've released an optional update for TF2. The update fixes a server crash exploit in PASS Time mode related to dropped weapons and the jack. You do not need this update if you're not running PASS Time mode. Thanks. -Eric ___ To unsubscribe, edit yo

[hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-11-07 Thread John Schoenick
We've released an optional server update for TF2 that fixes a crash related to Mannpower mode. You only need to update your server if you are running Mannpower and experiencing this crash. Thanks. - John ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences

[hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-30 Thread Eric Smith
We've released an optional update for TF2 that fixes an exploit related to changing teams while in bumper car mode. You only need to update your server if you are experiencing players exploiting this problem. Thanks. -Eric ___ To unsubscribe, edit y

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-14 Thread epi
Yes, you can connect to sourcetv in insecure mode. This is how teamfortress.tv and other casting organizations use their caster's cheats (player and projectile outlines, health bars, etc.) On 10/14/2015 11:01 AM, Peter Jerde wrote: > >> On Oct 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, HD wrote: >> >> As I figured

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-14 Thread Peter Jerde
> On Oct 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, HD wrote: > > As I figured though not a single response from valve once again on this topic. > Probably because this is a server list, and you’re bringing up a client issue. Also, you repeatedly said that it’s a “real” client you would use to “seed”, as thoug

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread N-Gon
Someone's upset. Who's we? I hope you're not trying to imply that no one on the HLDS has done that because I can say with 100% confidence that many of you have after seeing it in action. Where do you think folks get the idea from? Hah. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Bottiger wrote: > On Tue, O

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread Bottiger
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:36 AM, N-Gon wrote: > Welp, you guys heard it here first. > Let's call it a day and let ad-based servers like skial have complete > reign of the place. > Excuse me? We have *never* used text mode clients to seed our servers and couldn't care less if it patched. Pleas

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread E. Olsen
I'm not sure how your got that from what I posted - but that's neither here nor there. At any rate, it's naive to think simply "playing on your server regularly" will help grow a community and/or a server in the current environment. I've been hosting TF2 since 2008, and I've never seen an environm

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread Cats From Above
I never thought I'd see the day where E. Olsen, someone who I've long considered to be a well informed contributor to discussions like these, the day where he would stand up and essentially say, "Using a text-client to fake a player on a server? No problem! Good server operators *need *some kind of

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread Cats From Above
You’re right in one respect: This change won’t be reverted, that much is almost as certain as death and taxes. However, on a point of ethics, I feel the need to point out that running a text-client with the intended purpose of deceiving players into believing that there is an active population on a

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread E. Olsen
t;>> sounds in the game while also allowing me to log my client into the game to >>> help seed my server then by all means I’m ready to listen/read all about it. >>> >>> >>> >>> As I figured though not a single response from valve once again on this

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread HD
, 2015 2:31 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released What are you trying to hear exactly? You have no interest in being in your own server to populate but wanna listen to what players are saying? Once a server achieves enough players to

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread N-Gon
all means I’m ready to listen/read all about it. >> >> >> >> As I figured though not a single response from valve once again on this >> topic. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: >&g

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread Michael Loveless
le response from valve once again on this > topic. > > > > > > *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Cody Mathisen > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:10 PM > > *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 se

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread HD
dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released By the sounds of it the abuse that has come up heavily outweigh any benefits of -textmode. I'm not sure exactly what information you are 'seeding' but I'm sure there are multiple add

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread Cody Mathisen
gt; [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 11:26 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released > > You may have used it for one client but the truth is, this guy earli

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread HD
server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released You may have used it for one client but the truth is, this guy earlier who posted used it to ten, even more clients. Also i think someone already has a script that can be ran in textmode that autoaccepts the items that drop. So n

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread ics
ent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:02 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released From the client patch notes from October 12, 2015: - Running in textmode now places the client in insecure mode On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:50 AM, HD <mailto:ad..

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread HD
...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Sanderson Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:04 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released Just so we're clear, you guys were only using this to fake player counts on your servers? Where's the negative i

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread Kyle Sanderson
abbing now. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rudy Bleeker >> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:02 AM >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list &g

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread 1nsane
Oh, haven't actually tried it in a long time. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Asher Baker wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:59 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> And yes there is a server side setting for that. Start the server >> with -insecure and all clients will be able to join.

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread N-Gon
--Original Message- > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rudy Bleeker > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:02 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update relea

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread Asher Baker
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:59 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > And yes there is a server side setting for that. Start the server > with -insecure and all clients will be able to join. That hasn't worked for a very long time. ~ "Their heads are green, and their hands are blue,

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread 1nsane
ides launching > the game in full and alt tabbing now. > > > > -Original Message- > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rudy Bleeker > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:02 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 serve

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread HD
-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released Log streaming to something like HLSW or using a plugin to record chat/events to a database with a website. HLSW should use even less resources than textmode client. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 8:45 AM

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread 1nsane
.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rudy Bleeker > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:02 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released > > From the client patch notes from October 12, 2015: > > - Running in

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread HD
: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rudy Bleeker Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:02 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released >From the client patch notes from October 12, 2

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-13 Thread Rudy Bleeker
> > > -Original Message- > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Eric Smith > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 5:52 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: [hlds]

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-10 Thread HD
st.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released We've released an optional update for TF2 that updates the Invasion Community Update Coin to also count assists. This is an optional dedicated server update and is not required unless you are running any of the Invasion maps and would l

[hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-09 Thread Eric Smith
We've released an optional update for TF2 that updates the Invasion Community Update Coin to also count assists. This is an optional dedicated server update and is not required unless you are running any of the Invasion maps and would like to support this new feature. Thanks. -Eric _

[hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-06 Thread Eric Smith
We've released an optional update for TF2 that fixes a dedicated server crash on the Invasion map Watergate. You do not need the update unless your server is having this problem. -Eric ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-10-06 Thread Kevin C
Any update on this? On 7/4/2015 5:28 PM, Eric Smith wrote: - Temporarily reverted Valve official quickplay and matchmaking servers not being listed in the server browser while we look into this further ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences,

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-19 Thread Drone Marviraptor
You can take the ball into spawn by teleporting to spawn with the Eureka Effect and receive the ball during the taunt animation. After that, it's impossible to get the ball out of spawn (invisible wall in door) unless you use the Eureka again. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Ross Bemrose wrote:

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-19 Thread Ross Bemrose
Apparently the ball can still be taken into the spawns rooms. Not sure if this is a map problem with pass_warehouse or a gameplay problem with the game mode. On 8/19/2015 12:17 AM, Eric Smith wrote: We've released one last update tonight for TF2. The update is optional. It fixes a sound prob

[hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-18 Thread Eric Smith
We've released one last update tonight for TF2. The update is optional. It fixes a sound problem when carrying the Jack in the new PASS Time game mode. You only need to sync and get the latest version if you're running a PASS Time server. Thanks. -Eric __

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-05 Thread Tim Anderson
It has been over 1 and a half years since community servers were banned. The community population has already become a shadow of what it used to be and is no longer the majority of players. If a shutdown was to be effective it should have been done right away after the change. But many people here

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Rowedahelicon
Shutting down communities won't help anything, anyone will just either stop playing TF2 or hop right on a Valve server, you'd be doing what Valve wants you to do. On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Ash . wrote: > I'll be honest, after hearing these same talking points many times over I > have only

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Ash .
I'll be honest, after hearing these same talking points many times over I have only one more thing to say. Valve aren't gonna listen until players make waves. That isn't going to happen by us complaining. There's only one sure-fire way to get this to happen. Make a fuss in our own communities abo

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Tim Anderson
It amazes me that there are people like you that think like that. How bad can Valve fanboys get? How are we supposed to police other people's servers? I have personally made dozens of reports and Valve has done nothing to them for months before I stopped bothered to check. What else are we suppose

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread HD
reas Willinger wrote: Yea, also got one. Von: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Gesendet: Dienstag, 04. August 2015 15:06 An: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Betreff: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released A

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Lyrai
That thought process is why we are where we are now. Valve doesn't trust community servers to police the community beyond their own nose. They tried to trust us for years and nothing happened. Terrible servers and shitty communities ran rampant, and it was the duty of the community to try and stop

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Tim Anderson
We are not responsible for other people's actions. Does the police jail an entire neighborhood because they keep finding criminals there? If you want me to be responsible for what other people do, then give me the ability to ban servers from the master list. The way Valve dealt with bad servers, i

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread N-Gon
This quickplay conversation became tiresome after the umpteenth time. Valve will address it when they feel like it, not when complaints keep rolling it. Surely you have realized that over the course of the past two years... http://i.imgur.com/Xz07DrT.png On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Matthias

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek
You can blame your fellow server-ops for that. The only thing you can blame valve for is kicking all our asses instead of adding a proper report and blacklist system to deal with these . ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread 1nsane
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Andreas Willinger wrote: > >> Yea, also got one. >> >> >> >> *Von:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: >> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *Im Auftrag von *Paul >> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 04. August 2015 15:0

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Robert Paulson
ftware.com] *Im Auftrag von *Paul > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 04. August 2015 15:06 > > *An:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > *Betreff:* Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released > > > > Although off topic, is anyone here getting any spam or similar email from > someone

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Andreas Willinger
Yea, also got one. Von: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Gesendet: Dienstag, 04. August 2015 15:06 An: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Betreff: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released Although off topic, is

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Paul
you never ran any TF2 servers then. > > > > *Von:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *Im Auftrag von *Brian Riedel > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 04. August 2015 13:03 > *An:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > *Betreff

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Andreas Willinger
: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released Seriously, this. If your servers can't retain people, then that's a problem with the strength of your community, not with the updates to quickplay. On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Rovanion Luckey wrote: Is there an email list on which I c

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Rovanion Luckey
Thank you! I thought it was only for press releases of new games. 2015-08-04 13:01 GMT+02:00 Peter Jerde : > > > On Aug 4, 2015, at 5:58 AM, Rovanion Luckey > wrote: > > > > Is there an email list on which I can get the update announcements and > without the constant whining? > > Yes. It’s hlds-

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Brian Riedel
Seriously, this. If your servers can't retain people, then that's a problem with the strength of your community, not with the updates to quickplay. On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Rovanion Luckey wrote: > Is there an email list on which I can get the update announcements and > without the consta

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Peter Jerde
> On Aug 4, 2015, at 5:58 AM, Rovanion Luckey wrote: > > Is there an email list on which I can get the update announcements and > without the constant whining? Yes. It’s hlds-announce. - Peter ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Rovanion Luckey
Is there an email list on which I can get the update announcements and without the constant whining? 2015-08-04 12:54 GMT+02:00 Rowedahelicon : > Can I get a confirmation my emails go in? > > Anyway, wait until Dota II stops being popular, that's where the money is > and that's where the focus is

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Rowedahelicon
Can I get a confirmation my emails go in? Anyway, wait until Dota II stops being popular, that's where the money is and that's where the focus is! Thing is is that the TF2 community as a whole doesn't seem to understand why TF2 is as bad as it is, far too many people think that everyone Valve does

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-04 Thread Paul
Since Valve appears to have more or less confirmed their lack of support towards communities these days I haven't bothered spending a single penny/cent on games such as Team Fortress 2, especially not on these contracts. I also asked a good number of my friends to see what their opinion was and qui

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-03 Thread Rowedahelicon
Oh they know the setup is unfair, they said so from the very start a few years ago, and last year they promised they'd give us a middle ground. They don't care you see, Valve employees have said how money drives direction at Valve now, and Valve servers mean less modding means more money. On Mon,

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-08-03 Thread Robert Paulson
The TF2 team, in a misguided effort to silence all complaints, ended up making poor decisions that are killing community servers. The truth is, whatever you do, someone is going to complain about something. You blocked ads from being displayed for people connecting through quickplay? One down. But

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Gamers Exile
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Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Alexander Corn
ults >> hurled Valve's way will change things, then by all means - keep in keeping >> on. >> >> On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Saint K. >> wrote: >> >>> Amen. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [ma

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Just a random guy
Sadly, neither the campaign hoster(ad serving company, i.e pinion or motdgd) nor the server owner can regulate the ad volume. Some ad-placing companies talk to the ad aggregators and vice-versa to fix all the problems and deliver good ads, but right now it's mostly quantity vs. quality. "Matt

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek
Hello Powerlord, No, no one has except valve. How are we supposed to gather that data? That alone should raise a healthy amount of suspicion since it's a question that is practically meant to not be definitely answered. You could only guess that it might have some effect on how many attempted

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek
Where did I say that every server that even dares to play a single ad needs to go? All the time I've been talking about servers that are *ad-_infested_**and p2w*. If anything in this regard raises any questions as to what I find intolerable about ads, it should be answered pretty clearly in my

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Alexander Corn
So then go to Pinion, MOTDgd, et al and insist that ads have a reasonable sound level or else they get banned from the game entirely. Sounds like a better solution that trying to stamp out every server which uses ads, no? On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < proph...@s

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Ross Bemrose
lf Of *Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:31 PM *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released I don't know if the last paragraph is meant sarcastical

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek
Your schedule must be pretty busy, following your rule you literally have to complain about overwatch, the community profile reporting system, the csgo server reporting system, the tf2 abuse report system, steam discussion reporting system, spuf... There's well-known established solutions to h

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Alexander Corn
way will change things, then by all means - keep in keeping > on. > > On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Saint K. wrote: > >> Amen. >> >> >> >> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: >> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread E. Olsen
.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthias > "InstantMuffin" Kollek > *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:31 PM > *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released > > > > I don't know if the last paragraph is meant sarcasti

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Loveless
​Yes, having a reporting system that removed servers from the list definitely isn't something that would be abused more than MOTD advertisements. That pub community with 5-10k members surely couldn't wipe out their entire up and coming competition, ya know, those who are trying to grow their commun

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Alexander Corn
What's the problem, exactly? You're subjected to the horror that is an ad? Please go on YouTube (with AdBlock off), watch a couple videos, then try to tell me that YouTube is broken and is driving away users. In a perfect world, people wouldn't flounder around helplessly and would join a server th

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Saint K.
Amen. From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:31 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released I don

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek
I don't know if the last paragraph is meant sarcastically, but ads are a huge problem on community servers. Feel free to write a script that connects to all tf2 servers and keep the speakers on. Yes, motds can be turned off client-side. But please don't expect the average joe to be able to do an

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Alexander Corn
Are we just ignoring the fact that for a long time, Pinion hosted many of the CS:GO official matchmaking servers, which had terrible performance issues (like Valve servers now!) *and* ran MOTD ads? It's okay for Valve, a multi-billion-dollar corporation to do it, but not average Joe trying to make

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread E. Olsen
Agreed. Donation-driven communities were how servers were operated for years (and how many still do). To suggest that there has been some kind of fundamental shift in the game's demographic that would prevent that model from working now is simply not true. In fact, those very same people who were

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Cats From Above
Actually, decent community servers who provide value to their respective communities generally do not have funding issues. It is possible to be a donation driven community without handing out stupid perks. Just as it is equally possible to innovate new features and game modes for your servers that

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Michael Loveless
So what you're essentially saying is that it's perfectly fine for Valve to suck every penny out of players for cosmetics & pay to win items, to allow the community servers to build up the game for years then steal all their clients by virtually stuffing Official Servers down their throat while mone

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Cats From Above
Seeing Paul attempt to portray advertising as a non-issue is completely ineffable - that being far beyond the descriptive capability of words or laughter. The continuing existence of MOTD advertising encourages all the wrong behaviours within the community servers that use it. Furthermore, as E. Ol

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Paul
I guess either way nobody can win, so things should just stay as they are then. One side will argue you're right, the other side will also argue you're wrong however. It's one of these topics which have two perfectly amicable views. On 5 July 2015 at 13:46, E. Olsen wrote: > If you honestly thin

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread E. Olsen
If you honestly think "advertising is no longer and issue", than you don't read reddit, or the steam user forums. While Valve may have blocked advertising in the engine for players who connect via quickplay (and thanks for that - those of us who've never used that junk got to see our MOTD functiona

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-05 Thread Paul
I hate to correct some people here, but advertising is no longer an issue so I don't see why it has been brought up when it's no longer a problem. HTML MOTD is not possible when the client joins via matchmaking or quickplay, Valve changed that a long time ago. Sure, there are a few rogue servers wh

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-04 Thread Alexander Corn
The entire point of Quickplay from the get-go was to help people to easily find servers offering vanilla-ish gameplay. That is, major game settings are set to their defaults, no custom gamemodes, no game-breaking donor perks, etc. It's a decent idea, the only problem is that Valve added it and the

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-04 Thread Cats From Above
Your version of events borders on white-knighting, in my honest opinion. Valve has a share of blame for allowing an environment where unscrupulous operators were rewarded financially simply by getting people to join thier servers. The rise of Pinion and the like was attractive to individuals who wa

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-04 Thread Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek
04, 2015 8:32 PM *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released >I honestly find it comical that people think those servers are a good representation of what the game should be (or, frankly, are any fun at all). and this is why I rarely

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-04 Thread Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek
As always both parties here aren't really unblemished. However, compared to real life, given how much protest (and how intense it has to be) is necessary, everyone is basically santa claus here (not the bad santa version). The only two things about the people here that annoy me is that some sim

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-04 Thread Spencer 'Voogru' MacDonald
:32 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released >I honestly find it comical that people think those servers are a good >representation of what the game should be (or, frankly, are any fun at all). and this is why I rarely pos

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-04 Thread E. Olsen
> > Some were terrible and cheated the system to trick players joining their > servers. When Valve tried to stop them, they cheated the system more. Even > after Valve constantly tried to help those community servers who played by > the rules, the community kept calling foul. > > So eventually, Val

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-04 Thread Phillip Vector
>I honestly find it comical that people think those servers are a good representation of what the game should be (or, frankly, are any fun at all). and this is why I rarely post here. Because most people here are not willing to listen to the other side of things and meet in the middle. Insulting p

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-04 Thread Phillip Vector
>What you just said implies that *every *community server provides a modified game-play experience, which is not only a dubious claim but one that almost certainly stems from a distinct level of benightedness. A modified game-play experience, yes. Even if it's just placing a text ad every 5 mins.,

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-04 Thread E. Olsen
I also don't think the phrase "Community" and "Custom" are necessarily interchangeable. There are plenty of community servers out there with 100% stock settings, and I certainly wouldn't call them "custom". Further - I don't anyone who played TF2 before quickplay came along can say that Valve's se

Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released

2015-07-04 Thread Cats From Above
What you just said implies that *every *community server provides a modified game-play experience, which is not only a dubious claim but one that almost certainly stems from a distinct level of benightedness. There are community servers out there, many of them, which offer a vanilla experience in

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