Linda Sherman wrote:
Speaking strictly as an audience member, the most reliable factor that
always seems to separate the good conductors from the not-so-good is how
they use tempo. The good ones just seem to have the right feel for the
tempo and the general flow of the music, while the
Oct 2006 10:48:11 EDT
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I used to help out with a local amateur orchestra, the
conductor of
which was notorious - he used to yell and bawl at his
players and more
than once I saw grown men and women crying behind
hans wrote:
What makes a good conductor
Speaking strictly as an audience member, the most reliable factor that
always seems to separate the good conductors from the not-so-good is how
they use tempo. The good ones just seem to have the right feel for the
tempo and the general flow
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hans wrote:
What makes a good conductor
Speaking strictly as an audience member, the most reliable
factor that always seems to separate the good conductors
from
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And your point is what?
Wendell Rider
My point is that in this particular case once the conductor was calmed down
the performances suffered. I've seen similar things happen with sportsmen.
Cheers,
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he used to yell and bawl
at his players and more than once I saw grown men and women
crying behind their stands.
Dear All
This is very similar to a conductor (once a leading horn player and now
deceased) for whom I played both as a student and in my
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He conducted a very well known amateur orchestra in the north Cheshire
commuter belt where many of the Manchester professional community (medical
practitioners, lawyers, university lecturers, senior
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hans wrote:
What makes a good conductor
Speaking strictly as an audience member, the most reliable factor that
always seems to separate
As I conduct an amateur group by myself since many years
(even a horn ensemble) I may add a few words here:
These preconditions of handing out the music in advance etc.
is just normal we will not talk about these self-evident
things.
The first thing most important for any conductor is it, to
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Hans Pizka wrote:
I try it again to incend a fire(works) about conductors
their means of interpretation, as the first attempt resulted
in zero effect but one single reply. Are you to cautious
delete it.
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As I conduct an amateur group by myself since many years
(even a horn ensemble
In my view, many of the same characteristics are needed for a conductor of
amateur groups as for professional, but perhaps not in such concentrated
form.
One key difference is that amateurs play for enjoyment, and if they stop
enjoying themselves they will stop playing or go elsewhere. That means
I used to help out with a local amateur orchestra, the conductor of which
was notorious - he used to yell and bawl at his players and more than once I
saw
grown men and women crying behind their stands. The concerts were terrific!
Eventually, the management took him to one side and told
. It's
got to be more than just being nice or just being demanding.
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Lawrence Yates wrote:
I used to help out with a local amateur orchestra, the
conductor of which was notorious - he used to yell and bawl
at his players and more than once I saw grown men and women
crying behind their stands. The concerts were terrific!
Eventually, the management
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I used to help out with a local amateur orchestra, the
conductor of which
That´s what I said allready in my letter. Critizism must be
positive not destructive. A conductor who yells to the
orchestra or at a certain player, will lose his last value
the very same moment.
And for the amateurs: less (challenging) is often more
(quality) and thus more enjoyment.
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I used to help out with a local amateur orchestra, the
conductor of which was notorious - he used to yell
Company politics are so important, I just can't justify wasting time on
the job I was hired to do.
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Two observations on what Steve said
3) Hold your instructive comments until a substantial
portion of the piece has been played-- better, wait
until the movement is finished. Then go over your
long list of comments with everyone. My biggest gripe
is aimed at conductors who stop every time they have
some comment to make--
Jonathan West wrote:
3) Hold your instructive comments until a substantial
portion of the
piece has been played-- better, wait until the movement is
finished.
Then go over your long list of comments with everyone.
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I don't think this is necessarily the case. I have no
Hans Pizka wrote:
I try it again to incend a fire(works) about conductors
their means of interpretation, as the first attempt resulted
in zero effect but one single reply. Are you to cautious to
talk about conductors ? Because a few lure around in several
lists ? What to fear ? Is it
Hans, I agree conceptually, but let's talk about an older generation of
conductors so as not to offend, Leinsdorf, Solti and Guilini none of which in
my
experience in rehearsal were colorful or verbose. All were passionate all could
move you and the audience. So I would suggest that there is
.
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Hans, I did not respond because I think you stated the case
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Hans, I agree conceptually, but let's talk about an older
generation of conductors so as not to offend, Leinsdorf,
Solti and Guilini none of which in my experience in
rehearsal were colorful or verbose. All were passionate all
could move you and the audience. So I
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Hans, I agree conceptually, but let's talk about an older
generation of conductors so as not to offend, Leinsdorf,
Solti and Guilini none of which in my experience
, October 08, 2006 6:56 PM
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Hans Pizka wrote:
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... The
greatest advantage of these great conductors is their
ability to
LISTEN, to listen what´s coming from the various players
in the pit or
on stage and just use what´s being
Hans, We agree they were not verbose
I said Leinsdorf, Solti and Guilini none of which in my experience in
rehearsal were colorful or verbose. I used the word NONE.
I used them as an example and purposefully excluded Bernstein because I took
your initial remarks
Which were;
Vocables as
That is an interesting question...who are these 'gems' that you are thinking
of? Simon Rattle had a great reputation when with City of Birmingham...does he
enjoy the same in his years at Berlin?
Thanks, Fred
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Interesting. . .
I do note that one major symphony in the US has made it the business policy
not to hire top of the line conductors. They look for a conductor that
can work well with the orchestra to produce solid music, but not demand so
much money that it diverts funds from musicians and other
Hi all,
If you are interested in reading about conductors and how they (often)
behave, you should read this book by Norman Lebrecht: The Maestro Myth.
He takes the gloss off most of them.
Per Ottar
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Whom do you have in mind ? Joseph Keilberth (+), Barry
Tuckwell, Michael Hoeltzel, Michael Thompson, Radek Baborak,
Sebastian Weigle (ex solo horn State Opera Berlin, excellent
conductor nice fellow, conducts Berlin State Opera,
Dresden, Barcelona, Tokyo, etc.), ...
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GOD Help us from ex horn players turned
Conductors(?) !
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Whom do you have in mind ? Joseph Keilberth (+), Barry
Tuckwell, Michael Hoeltzel, Michael Thompson, Radek Baborak,
Sebastian Weigle (ex solo horn State Opera Berlin, excellent
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I've held back as long as I can, but no more Mister
nice guy.
I am a horn player AND a conductor, and proud of
it.
In fact, I enjoy the conducting more than the
playing, but God has been kind, and at age 59 I can
still pop out those high e's above the staff. I'm
good to the bottom of the
I frequently cross over to the dark side and it has made me a better
hornist.
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Personally, I have respect for anyone with the brass
to get in front of a bunch of musicians who by their
very nature can be rather unforgiving.
Dear All
But does brass neck always lead to the best talent emerging?
Whilst at Opera North, I played for all
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Personally, I have respect for anyone with the brass
to get in front of a bunch of musicians who
Yep, the rule is to keep your eyes on the conductor, but the truth is you
gotta know when NOT to look at the conductor.
War story. I was playing 3rd horn and had the important solo at the
beginning of the 3rd movement of a symphony which I now can't remember the
name of. I very much had to
Was it the Saint-Saens symphony 3?
-William
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Yep, the rule is to keep your eyes on the conductor, but the truth is you
gotta know when NOT to look at the conductor.
War story. I was playing 3rd
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Was it the Saint-Saens symphony 3?
-William
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Hi,
With all the talk about conductors, I figure I might
as well jump in.
Personally, I have respect for anyone with the brass
to get in front of a bunch of musicians who by their
very nature can be rather unforgiving. It's pretty
safe to say that the vast majority of us will never
swing a
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