Bottom line is that SIFT is not patented except in the USA. Only those
in the USA that use hugin for commercial products need permission from
the UBC. As Bruno mentioned, users are warned about this during use,
but also in documentation accompanying the download. They can either
obtain that
2009/12/26 DaveN tahoedave...@yahoo.com
Bottom line is that you click on a hugin download link and you get
autopano sift in the download. Saying a disk image isn't really a
package ring as being believable.
A disk image is definitely different even though you feel it is the same.
And the
Could you be more specific? Which hugin download includes autopano-sift-C?
Getting source and compile yourself is not the same as download.
The Mac downloads include it in the compiled version downloads (tested
0.8.0 and 2009.4.0). I have not tested the Windows precompiled
versions.
Here is a
Bottom line is that you click on a hugin download link and you get
autopano sift in the download. Saying a disk image isn't really a
package ring as being believable.
On Dec 25, 12:58 pm, Harry van der Wolf hvdw...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/25 DaveN tahoedave...@yahoo.com
Could you be more
It is very disingenuous to claim autopano-sift-C has nothing to do
with Hugin and then include it in the Hugin download.
On Dec 23, 3:47 pm, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote:
On Wed 23-Dec-2009 at 22:42 +, michael crane wrote:
can somebody clear this up.
is hugin using copyrighted/
Am Freitag 25 Dezember 2009 schrieb DaveN:
It is very disingenuous to claim autopano-sift-C has nothing to do
with Hugin and then include it in the Hugin download.
Could you be more specific? Which hugin download includes autopano-sift-C?
Getting source and compile yourself is not the same as
On 23 dec, 04:46, DaveN tahoedave...@yahoo.com wrote:
From the SURF page (interesting that the SURF page says it is
copyrighted but there is no mention of a patent)
I checked the files they provide, and those contain a LICENSE file,
which I'll quote below. Indeed nothing is mentioned about
Upon reading a bit further in the same OpenCV thread, I found a
mention of different, possibly less patent-restricted algorithms [5].
Could be interesting! Further investigation needed...
[5] http://n2.nabble.com/SURF-protected-by-patent-tp3458734p3463927.html
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On 23 dec, 13:59, Bart van
information is not in the
current documentation. As good as this group is about finding omissions in
other work in the Hugin code I would have assumed this was already there.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:06:23 -0800
Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: bavanan...@gmail.com
To: hugin-ptx
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:03:07 -0800 (PST), DaveN tahoedave...@yahoo.com
wrote:
No. My bottom line is that if you use a patented algorithm to make a
panorama for profit without paying the inventor of the algorithm, can
you be outraged if your panorama is used by others without payment to
you.
can somebody clear this up.
is hugin using copyrighted/ patented stuff when it shouldn't ?
regards
mick
2009/12/23 Roger Howard rogerhow...@rogerroger.org:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:03:07 -0800 (PST), DaveN tahoedave...@yahoo.com
wrote:
No. My bottom line is that if you use a patented
the question has been asked if they are still
free when the pano's themselves are sold. In other words, does the sale of the
pano's constitute commercial use of Hugin.
I'm sure this will be resolved in the coming weeks.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:42:37 +
Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral
On Wed 23-Dec-2009 at 22:42 +, michael crane wrote:
can somebody clear this up.
is hugin using copyrighted/ patented stuff when it shouldn't ?
regards
Everything in Hugin is copyrighted.
If you use autopano-sift-C (which isn't part of Hugin), you get a
big warning every time you use it
themselves are sold. In other words, does the
sale of the pano's constitute commercial use of Hugin.
I'm sure this will be resolved in the coming weeks.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:42:37 +
Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: mick.cr...@gmail.com
To: hugin-ptx
patents to anybody.
Isn't this the same thing that SIFT and SURF have done?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:19:25 +0100
Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: l.jirkov...@gmail.com
To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
2009/12/18 DaveN tahoedave...@yahoo.com:
I thought
should be stated in the source and/or binary of
the download.
Simply because it's patented does not mean that it requires payment from the
author.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:03:07 -0800
Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com
To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
in the source and/or binary
of the download.
Simply because it's patented does not mean that it requires payment from the
author.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:03:07 -0800
Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com
To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
No. My
:53 -0800
Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com
To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
SIFT and SURF prohibit commercial application without a license (or
waiver in the case of SURF). From the SIFT site:
http://people.cs.ubc.ca/~lowe/keypoints/
This demo software
, Hugin could conceivably include these in
thier programs and be free and clear
Cheers ... :)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:46:53 -0800
Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com
To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
SIFT and SURF prohibit commercial application
approval I would consider in violation of
copyright and would exercise my legal rights.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:48:53 -0800
Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com
To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
Hugin in itself is not commercial but if you are making panoramas
It isn't the 'mathematical algorithm' that is patented but the novel
method for doing something. If it weren't so novel or original, then
why didn't someone think of it earlier? It seems most people on this
list think that their creations should be protected but the novel
thinking of others is
For the materials producted by the those illegaly packaged software,
they are usually legit.
Which brings me back to my original point. If you knowingly use
illegally package software to create a work, do you have a moral right
to be outraged if your work is stolen?
On Dec 18, 3:01 am,
p.s. If the method is not unique or novel, it would be easy to create
a method to do the same using a different method but other than SIFT
and SURF, there doesn't appear to be progress in that area. Sure
there are Harris Corners but SIFT and SURF are much better methods.
Regardless, I seem to
Regardless, I seem to be beating a dead horse here.
Yes.
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On Dec 18, 7:34 am, Daniel Reetz danre...@gmail.com wrote:
Regardless, I seem to be beating a dead horse here.
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:55:32 -0800
Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com
To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
On 18 dec, 16:33, DaveN tahoedave...@yahoo.com wrote:
Regardless, I seem to be beating a dead horse here. It is clear the
feeling here, IMHO, is 'I follow the rules I see fit, ignore the ones
I don't see as fit, and have no issue in expecting that my work will
not be infringed upon.'
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:43 AM, DaveN tahoedave...@yahoo.com wrote:
'I follow the rules I see fit, ignore the ones
I don't see as fit, and have no issue in expecting that my work will
not be infringed upon.
Repeating your argument doesn't make it any less off-topic. Neither
does making up a
But I wonder, why are you asking about these patent and/or copyrighy
infringement issues?
It is something that has been bothering me for a long time and never
really has been discussed in the open. To me, the inventor of the
SIFT algorithm deserves some benefit for his work but isn't really
on SURF. I'm interested in knowing what you find.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:20:46 -0800
Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com
To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
But I wonder, why are you asking about these patent and/or copyrighy
infringement issues
2009/12/18 DaveN tahoedave...@yahoo.com:
But I wonder, why are you asking about these patent and/or copyrighy
infringement issues?
It is something that has been bothering me for a long time and never
really has been discussed in the open. To me, the inventor of the
SIFT algorithm deserves
goals is to
produce it's own auto cp detector or use a GPL version of one.
Drop a note back on SURF. I'm interested in knowing what you find.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:20:46 -0800
Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com
To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
to be an
OpenSURF.
This would be an interesting research topic. One of Hugin's goals is to
produce it's own auto cp detector or use a GPL version of one.
Drop a note back on SURF. I'm interested in knowing what you find.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:20:46 -0800
Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re
open source, gpl, and linux in general, and
still allow the use of those patents to anybody.
Isn't this the same thing that SIFT and SURF have done?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:19:25 +0100
Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: l.jirkov...@gmail.com
To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
IANAL and I'm no expert on patents, but note that whatever are the
issues with the software, the intellectual property of the image is
completely separate.
On 17 Dic, 06:30, DaveN tahoedave...@yahoo.com wrote:
The best control point generators out there are SIFT based (or the
software company
Patents hold no ground in Europe.
The Berne convention can still be applied, what ever the licence you
choose for your image.
And to DaveN comment, I ain't infringing any patent while located in
Europe, so the moralistic opinion is bogus, but copyright laws can still
be applied in Europe.
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Copyright is largely ignored in China and other places so can people
in those places copy your images or repackage Hugin?
Bruno: Where is the other place to discuss Hugin where I can find
answers?
On Dec 17, 7:31 am, tennevin.yves tennevin.y...@wanadoo.fr wrote:
Patents hold no ground in
I have the feeling you're not into discussing hugin at all.
DaveN schrieb am 18.12.09 02:08:
Copyright is largely ignored in China and other places so can people
in those places copy your images or repackage Hugin?
Bruno: Where is the other place to discuss Hugin where I can find
answers?
Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions
From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com
To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
Copyright is largely ignored in China and other places so can people
in those places copy your images or repackage Hugin?
Bruno: Where is the other place to discuss Hugin where I can find
Panoramic photos have been around for some time. We've got a photo here in a
furniture store of downtown that was produced in 1890.
Panoramic photos would not have a patent, or if it did would be defeated by
prior art.
A methodology might be considered patentable, but then you would have to
Agreed. Panoramic photos in themselves are not patentable as they
have been around for some time.
I don't understand your second statement.
With regards to iPiX and Photosphere, that was interesting. iPiX did
sue photographers then were sued and settled with Pictosphere. iPiX
then licensed
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