z10 hmc 3270 emulator and ind$file

2011-02-14 Thread Greg Smith
wave of people to do vendor installs will not have government laptops and will not be allowed to bring non-government laptops onto the floor. So the question is, can we use the HMCs to transfer data to z/os via ind$file using either the HMC DVD or USB ports? If so, how do you figure out what

Re: IND$FILE question

2010-07-19 Thread Bob Shannon
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John P. Baker Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IND$FILE question Ed, There were separate products released for MVS, VM, and VSE. All were released

Re: IND$FILE question

2010-07-19 Thread Bob Shannon
There were separate products released for MVS, VM, and VSE. All were released in 1983. There was also a version for CICS. I don't know when it became available. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

Re: IND$FILE question

2010-07-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ed Gould wrote: I vaguely remember  (A LONG TIME AGO mind you) that there was a separately installable FMID for IND$FILE (bonus points for the year it came out) My last few remaining brain cells can't help you with that... ;-D Does anyone remember this? As a side question there was a separate

Re: IND$FILE question

2010-07-18 Thread John P. Baker
: Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: IND$FILE question I vaguely remember  (A LONG TIME AGO mind you) that there was a separately installable FMID for IND$FILE (bonus points for the year it came out) Does anyone remember this? As a side question there was a separate help

IND$FILE question

2010-07-17 Thread Ed Gould
I vaguely remember  (A LONG TIME AGO mind you) that there was a separately installable FMID for IND$FILE (bonus points for the year it came out) Does anyone remember this? As a side question there was a separate help member in sys1.help (vague recollection here) Does(did?) IBM still ship

Re: IND$FILE question

2008-05-05 Thread Mark Hammond
Thanks for posting your findings. I found it useful also. Mark Hammond -Original Message- From: Pommier, Rex R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IND$FILE question Hi Brian, Thanks for the suggestions. I finally found

Re: IND$FILE question

2008-05-02 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
for the suggestion, tho. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IND$FILE question Pommier, Rex R. wrote: Hi List, I don't know if it is lack

Re: IND$FILE question

2008-05-02 Thread Big Iron
Is it possible that the other person has tso ind$file instead of the default as the host command specified in the file transfer settings? Bill On Fri, 2 May 2008 11:08:59 -0500, Pommier, Rex R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Steve and Ed, It isn't the action bar LIST option. It is something

Re: IND$FILE question

2008-05-02 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
it. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Peterson Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IND$FILE question Are you using the same terminal emulator? It is up to the terminal emulator whether

IND$FILE question

2008-04-28 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Hi List, I don't know if it is lack of sleep or just a bad day, but a programmer came to me with a strange question that I can't find an answer to. We are using IND$FILE to transfer small files from PCs to a PDS on TSO. The users log onto TSO/ISPF then navigate to the ISPF command shell

Re: IND$FILE question

2008-04-28 Thread Ed Philbrook
@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject IND$FILE question Hi List, I don't know if it is lack of sleep or just a bad day, but a programmer came to me with a strange question that I can't find an answer to. We are using IND$FILE to transfer small files from PCs to a PDS on TSO. The users log onto TSO/ISPF

Re: IND$FILE question

2008-04-28 Thread Brian Peterson
with IND$FILE that it always works correctly from TSO READY. It will *sometimes* work from ISPF option 6, but it will *always* work from TSO READY. I've seen problems where the data set name was really long and the command was truncated (when using ISPF option 6) and the same transfer command

Re: IND$FILE question

2008-04-28 Thread Steve Comstock
Pommier, Rex R. wrote: Hi List, I don't know if it is lack of sleep or just a bad day, but a programmer came to me with a strange question that I can't find an answer to. We are using IND$FILE to transfer small files from PCs to a PDS on TSO. The users log onto TSO/ISPF then navigate

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
What ever your security server may be (RACF, CA-ACF2, CA-TSS) audit the successful use of the program IND$FILE so that all executions are logged. This still does not address the issue. Logging the use of IND$FILE (obsolete) does not manage all methods of moving files from the mainframe to PC's

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-21 Thread Daniel McLaughlin
Was doing an interview audit one time. Subject was control of system libraries and protecting them. Then I shocked the auditor by asking this question. Why are you so intent on protecting the system from me, whose livelihood is dependent on keeping it healthy? What about that hourly operator

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-21 Thread Barry Merrill
The SMF 30 contains no TSO COMMAND usage information by command name, but any DDNAMEs allocated during the TSO session are recorded in the SMF 30s, so you can often/sometimes recognize what TSO command was used from recognizable unique DDNAMEs in the SMF 30, but without 100% accuracy. And you

Re: Untrusted Access (Was how to log IND$FILE)

2008-04-20 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
transferring the data to a medium they should not be. Adding the audit of programs that help copy data is part of that. And tracking how data is used. The notion that monitoring IND$FILE does anything by itself falls short. I can use a program by any name to make a copy of production data to sysuid

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-20 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
This post: Use of SPFEDIT in my own program Bob Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a fine example of how to educate the OP instead of doing their work for them. On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:29:28 -0500, Kenneth E Tomiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After awhile I start to spot a trend from some people

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-20 Thread Tony B.
of IND$FILE After awhile I start to spot a trend from some people posting here that they are not trying to learn how to do something, they have figured out how to get IBM-MAIN to do their job for them. So if someone asks how to audit a program 'A' and then later asks how to audit program 'B

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-20 Thread Barry Merrill
I believe IND$FILE is implemented as a Command Processor (and not a CLIST that CALLs a program); therefore you can create an SMF type 32 record for each use of the command. The SMF Manual discusses enablement in Chapter 4. Barry Barry Merrill Herbert W. Barry Merrill, PhD President

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-20 Thread Ed Finnell
looking at ANAL30DD(slightly modified) after we went to mostly TN3270 and was trying to looking at FTP statistics or something and discovered high use of IND$FILE. Turns out the emulators didn't trust FTP back then. **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-20 Thread Lindy Mayfield
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth E Tomiak Sent: 20. huhtikuuta 2008 18:29 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE If they ask for a program to use the SMF data and someone directs them to a working assembler sample on cbttape.org but it isn't the exact report they want

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-20 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip-- Are you referring to me? If so it doesn't take much. I feel like a hero every time I come home and my cats recognize me. If I can get an assembler program to make it to the linkedit step, I feel like a demigod.

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-20 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
to have searched the archives.) So if someone asks how to audit a program 'A' and then later asks how to audit program 'B', did they learn anything the first time? ... If this happens too many times (and twice is too many) my paranoia kicks in. Many of the responses to How do I audit IND$FILE? have

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-20 Thread Tommy Tsui
can stop it. We can just try our best to protect the shop resources. To be a system programmer, we have responsibility to deal with it. Frankly, we have many communication path, AFTP (protect by program) , FTP (we are not open yet), Ind$file (I create a dummy program on top of it), HDS (rapidxchange

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-18 Thread McKown, John
, the emulator is running on the server, not on the user's desktop. That stops IND$FILE and ftp transfers directly to the user's desktop. I am fairly sure that it stops doing cut'n'paste as well. What it does not stop is ftp to their share on the server, then email the code to themselves

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-18 Thread Don Leahy
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Kenneth E Tomiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you strip search them as they leave the building to ensure paper is not in their posession? Ignoring the possibility of print-screen like functions, I can take a pen and a piece of paper and copy a file byte by

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-18 Thread R.S.
Don Leahy wrote: [...] How about stealing an idea from the movie Paycheck. We could wipe the memory of the programmer as soon as the engagement is over. :-) This thread has started to get sillybut it is Friday. Not necessarily. There is big difference between memorizing few lines

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-18 Thread McKown, John
Oh, another possibility is to use RACF and PADS, but I don't know if that will work to allow ISPF EDIT but disallow basically everything else, such as IND$FILE. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-18 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:47:29 -0500, Kenneth E Tomiak ranted: Tommy Tsui has had posts before, IIRC, that indicate a complete lack of knowledge about how an operating system works. I believe he has been asking how to audit just about everything. Ignorant of what SMF can record, how to process SMF

how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-18 Thread John McKown
, the emulator is running on the server, not on the user's desktop. That stops IND$FILE and ftp transfers directly to the user's desktop. I am fairly sure that it stops doing cut'n'paste as well. What it does not stop is ftp to their share on the server, then email the code to themselves

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-18 Thread Tom Schmidt
is running on the server, not on the user's desktop. That stops IND$FILE and ftp transfers directly to the user's desktop. I am fairly sure that it stops doing cut'n'paste as well. What it does not stop is ftp to their share on the server, then email the code to themselves. But this is becoming more

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-18 Thread George Fogg
Tom Schmidt (BTW, I know of a company nearby that has a policy prohibiting cellphones with cameras but they have no prohibition regarding cameras without cellphones. You may bring in a digital camera - as long as it isn't part of a cell phone!) My comapny won't allow cameras without a camera

Untrusted Access (Was how to log IND$FILE)

2008-04-18 Thread Lizette Koehler
Thought I would see if this might be expanded to what do you do if you had someone in your organization you thought was stealing company priority information (source code, data, etc) I would think that if that person were working on a company supplied PC then the company could install some sort

how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Tommy Tsui
Hi all, Is there any way that can keep track the usage of IND$FILE, if the user rename the IND$FILE to ther own location and call it with TN3270, how can we check this case. regards -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:00:29 +0800 Tommy Tsui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Is there any way that can keep track the usage of IND$FILE, if the user :rename the IND$FILE to ther own location and call it with TN3270, how can we :check this case. WHy do you want to do this? What is your business case

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Tommy Tsui
of IND$FILE, if the user :rename the IND$FILE to ther own location and call it with TN3270, how can we :check this case. WHy do you want to do this? What is your business case? -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Binyamin Dissen
, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:00:29 +0800 Tommy Tsui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : :Is there any way that can keep track the usage of IND$FILE, if the user : :rename the IND$FILE to ther own location and call it with TN3270, how : can we : :check this case. : WHy do you

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tommy Tsui Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE because our audit want to check the unauthorized user

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Lizette Koehler
Tommy, Why don't you put AUDIT on the source file and see who touches it for READ? IIRC, IND$FILE might be possible to track if you had a product like MXG or SOFTAUDT or MICS and the access was to the mainframe. Is there a specific way they are invoking IND$FILE? From a PC or from

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
As someone else already pointed out, although cumbersome, you can always cutpaste what you see on your 3270 screen. Don't grant people access to data they don't need. Don't grant people access to the system if you don't trust them. Of what value is an audit record that says the data has been

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Is there any way that can keep track the usage of IND$FILE, if the user rename the IND$FILE to ther own location and call it with TN3270, how can we check this case. Why do you want to audit it? There are many ways to transfer files around besides that method. - Too busy driving to stop for gas

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE Is there any way that can keep track the usage of IND$FILE

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Don Leahy
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:07:11 +0800 Tommy Tsui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :because our audit want to check the unauthorized user (outsource :programmer) download the source program from our shop. How will this prevent

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Walt Farrell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Is there any way that can keep track the usage of IND$FILE, if the user :rename the IND$FILE to ther own location and call it with TN3270, how can we :check this case. WHy do you want to do this? What is your business case? The problem, Tommy, is that IND$FILE

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:07:11 +0800, Tommy Tsui wrote: because our audit want to check the unauthorized user (outsource programmer) download the source program from our shop. First, have you protected it with RACF? -- gil --

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
because our audit want to check the unauthorized user (outsource programmer) download the source program from our shop. What about ftp? Copy Paste? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
But the exposure exists because you gave the user READ access to the data. This has been discussed before on the RACF-L forum. It is better to protect the data, rather than the method of copying. - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread J R
It is better to protect the data, rather than the method of copying. That doesn't help if you want the programmer to work on a program but you don't want him to take it with him. Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:41:35 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: how to audit the usage of IND

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
That doesn't help if you want the programmer to work on a program but you don't want him to take it with him. If he can read it, he can copy it. And, how protecting IND$FILE will not be enough. There are many methods, but the crudest one cannot be protected except by giving the programmer

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Doug Fuerst
Is JK Rowling the auditor? Tommy Tsui wrote: because our audit want to check the unauthorized user (outsource programmer) download the source program from our shop. snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:30:43 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: That doesn't help if you want the programmer to work on a program but you don't want him to take it with him. If he can read it, he can copy it. And, how protecting IND$FILE will not be enough. There are many methods, but the crudest one

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Either you trust your programmer's ethics or you shouldn't provide access to the treasured source. There is no in between. Exactly! Everytime you work with an 'outsider' (contractor, outsourcer, consultant, etc.), you have a risk evaluation to do. You either trust them, or you don't. If you

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Len Rugen
Or modularize the design so that no one part is known by everyone. I think that's why Windows works so well. Ted MacNEIL wrote: Either you trust your programmer's ethics or you shouldn't provide access to the treasured source. There is no in between. Exactly! Everytime you work

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread George Fogg
Or modularize the design so that no one part is known by everyone. I think that's why Windows works so well. LOL! :-) George Fogg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Don Leahy
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't help if you want the programmer to work on a program but you don't want him to take it with him. If he can read it, he can copy it. And, how protecting IND$FILE will not be enough. There are many methods

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Lizette Koehler
copy it. And, how protecting IND$FILE will not be enough. There are many methods, but the crudest one cannot be protected except by giving the programmer an old 3270 green screen (actually, take the PC away from him (8-{}). Even a green screen is no guarantee if the programmer smuggles

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
If you have a cell phone camera, it is not that big of an issue - no one really thinks there is a camera in the building when it is in a cell phone. It depends where you work. Th company I recently got downsized from actually had a policy against cell cameras. - Too busy driving to stop for

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Edward Jaffe
Don Leahy wrote: Even a green screen is no guarantee if the programmer smuggles a camera into the office and takes pictures as he scrolls. Tedious perhaps, but it would work. Camera? I have a VBS macro for IBM's PCOMM that scrolls forward and appends each screen's worth of data to a text

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Don Leahy
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don Leahy wrote: Even a green screen is no guarantee if the programmer smuggles a camera into the office and takes pictures as he scrolls. Tedious perhaps, but it would work. Camera? I have a VBS macro for

Re: how to audit the usage of IND$FILE

2008-04-17 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
: It is better to protect the data, rather than the method of copying. That doesn't help if you want the programmer to work on a program but you don't want him to take it with him. Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:41:35 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: how to audit the usage of IND

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02/05/2008 at 02:17 PM, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Maybe that was the 3270 data stream reference on dumb terminals. That would have been nice, since everybody relevant had a copy. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-06 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 2/6/2008 6:48:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That would have been nice, since everybody relevant had a copy. Guess the thinking was for field support. Nobody can carry all the manuals for all the thousands of terminals at large installations

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-05 Thread Phil Smith III
Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best doc I saw was the 3270AT book in late 80's. That's what I recall from my days supporting an emulator. We had one copy of that book, kept under careful guard (not for secrecy, just to make sure it didn't wander off into a pile in someone's office,

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-05 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 2/5/2008 4:30:59 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's what I recall from my days supporting an emulator. We had one copy of that book, kept under careful guard (not for secrecy, just to make sure it didn't wander off into a pile in someone's

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
that supported IND$FILE. In fact, my recollection is that IND$FILE was initially shipped as support for the bundled software on the 3270PC. Anybody have a time-line on the various 3270PC models and which features appeared on which? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-04 Thread Tony Harminc
is realizing greater revenue, or merely irritating the customers? Give him a break, Gil. IND$FILE came out in the early 1980s. Does IBM (or any business partner who might have access to those specs on an NDA basis) even market an IND$FILE client nowadays? We (Proginet) sell a product called

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 01:05:06 -0600, Alan Altmark wrote: On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:52:17 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: You may be able to get information from vendors who have reversed engineered it, but the only IBM documentation on IND$FILE was a skimpy manual that contained absolutely

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:59:33 -0500, Pinnacle wrote: IND$FILE is slower at most installations because VTAM is not optimized for throughput, but instead for robustness of delivery. I've been at some shops where VTAM screams and have gotten 1M (1000KB) per second with IND$FILE. So it ain't always

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:46:28 -0600, Tony Harminc wrote: Give him a break, Gil. IND$FILE came out in the early 1980s. Are you saying they haven't had enough time to produce the document? How long should it take? What's the support status of IND$FILE? If it fails, can a customer report a problem

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-04 Thread Bob Shannon
Are you saying they haven't had enough time to produce the document? How long should it take? What's the support status of IND$FILE? If it fails, can a customer report a problem? Pretty hard without the specs. I suspect it's supported, if at all, only when used in connection

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-04 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 2/4/2008 3:43:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I apologize to everyone on the list for ever bringing up IND$FILE. I forgot who some of the list participants are. My bad. The best doc I saw was the 3270AT book in late 80's. Can't find much via

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02/01/2008 at 10:24 AM, Bob Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have searched high and low for documentation on this relic. Can anyone help? You may be able to get information from vendors who have reversed engineered it, but the only IBM documentation on IND$FILE

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02/02/2008 at 03:59 PM, Pinnacle [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: IND$FILE is slower at most installations because VTAM is not optimized for throughput, but instead for robustness of delivery. Why do you say that? Don't confuse the options appropriate for a basic LU2 session

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-03 Thread Alan Altmark
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:52:17 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may be able to get information from vendors who have reversed engineered it, but the only IBM documentation on IND$FILE was a skimpy manual that contained absolutely no useful information. If you have an old

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-02 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:02:15 EST, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I was surprised as we converted over to IP network how many emulators Hummingbird, QWS3270, and maybe PCOMM used IND$FILE as preferred upload/download but were customizable to use FTP. ... You don't mention whether your

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-02 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 2/2/2008 1:56:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You don't mention whether your surprise was about the preferred IND$FILE or that FTP is a customizable alternative. I suspect you meant the former; I'm more surprised by the latter. Well

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-02 Thread Pinnacle
However, IND$FILE transfers are very slow compared to FTP. I doubt anybody would choose IND$FILE if FTP were available. IND$FILE is slower at most installations because VTAM is not optimized for throughput, but instead for robustness of delivery. I've been at some shops where VTAM screams

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
at the same IP addr as the Tn3270 server or does it ask for the FTP servers IP addr? At the very least, there is more customization needed for the FTP support than for the IND$FILE. Most browsers and some E-mail clients do it, with little or no configuration required. What happens when you click

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-02 Thread Dave Salt
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does DSLIST have a prefix command to transfer a file? (I'm expecting Dave S. to jump in any time now.) Okay, I'll bite. ;-) Data sets can be selected from a DSLIST using 'N' for traNsfer (if SimpList is installed). The transfer takes place using the ISPF

IND$FILE

2008-02-01 Thread Bob Shannon
I have searched high and low for documentation on this relic. Can anyone help? TIA. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-01 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: IND$FILE I have searched high and low for documentation on this relic. Can anyone help? TIA

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-01 Thread Michael Knigge
Bob Shannon schrieb: I have searched high and low for documentation on this relic. Can anyone help? TIA. If you are able to understand C, then have a look at the x3270 Package. It Supports IND$FILE Transfers in DFT and CUT mode. Bye, Michael

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-01 Thread Bob Shannon
I'm just looking for a user's guide. I'm having a debate about what it can and cannot do, and without a manual it's a my dad can beat your dad discussion. And no, I haven't used IND$FILE myself in a decade or more. Bob Shannon Rocket Software

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-01 Thread Ed Gould
On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Bob Shannon wrote: I have searched high and low for documentation on this relic. Can anyone help? TIA. Bob Shannon Rocket Software Bob, The *ONLY* doc that I have *EVER* seen was in a booklet (binder that had a 4 page chapter in it) that came with the PC. I

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-01 Thread John P Kalinich
Bob Shannon of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 02/01/2008 09:24:00 AM: I have searched high and low for documentation on this relic. Can anyone help? TIA. Gilbert Saint-Flour has a web page dedicated to IND$FILE with a number of references to other docs. http

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-01 Thread Field, Alan C.
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 09:24 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: IND$FILE I have searched high and low for documentation on this relic. Can anyone help? TIA. Bob Shannon Rocket Software

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-01 Thread Fred Hoffman
Bob, What do you need to know? Fred -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: IND$FILE I have searched high and low for documentation on this relic

Re: IND$FILE

2008-02-01 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 2/1/2008 9:38:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And no, I haven't used IND$FILE myself in a decade or more. Think I said this before. I was surprised as we converted over to IP network how many emulators Hummingbird, QWS3270, and maybe PCOMM

Re: HATS support for IND$FILE or ISPF C/S

2007-11-04 Thread Timothy Sipples
Tom Conley writes: So where's the doc on how to add an IND$FILE button to HATS? I've looked high and low at the HATS doc, but I can't find IND$FILE even mentioned. It's well hidden in the docs and somewhat theoretical. I'll try to sketch it out. First of all, what's the client protocol going

Re: HATS support for IND$FILE or ISPF C/S

2007-11-02 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - From: Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:24 AM Subject: Re: HATS support for IND$FILE or ISPF C/S The underlying HATS code libraries, which include HACL, at the very least, support IND$FILE

HATS support for IND$FILE or ISPF C/S

2007-11-01 Thread Pinnacle
Does HATS support either IND$FILE or ISPF C/S? My current client looks to give me remote access via HATS, but it will be limited in effectiveness if I can't xfer files. The HATS documentation is utterly silent on this point. Regards, Tom Conley

Re: HATS support for IND$FILE or ISPF C/S

2007-11-01 Thread Timothy Sipples
The underlying HATS code libraries, which include HACL, at the very least, support IND$FILE (and FTP, SFTP, etc.) My guess is it's unlikely the company you're dealing with exposed those functions in any way in the HATS Web presentation. It is often the case that HATS buyers also bought Host

IND$FILE GC23-0128 I've got one

2006-08-04 Thread David Speake
I was recently digging around on this subject. In addition to some more current threads on this list and GSF-SOFTs Document (Thank you sirs it was JUST what I needed) I found a Google cache of a post by Donald Burton Williams from Tue, 23 Mar 1999. The thread was desperately seeking a particular