Hi all
I would like to implement a utility so to watch the used directory blocks of
one of our frequently changed PDS libraries. Do you have any idea how to
automate this? In case of the threshold exceedance, I will submit an IEBCOPY to
compress in place the PDS.
Kind regards
K. Zafiropoulo
K Zafirop wrote:
>I would like to implement a utility so to watch the used directory blocks of
>one of our frequently changed PDS libraries. Do you have any idea how to
>automate this? In case of the threshold exceedance, I will submit an IEBCOPY
>to compress in place the PDS.
Use LISTDSI in
W dniu 2013-01-29 11:23, K Zafirop pisze:
Hi all
I would like to implement a utility so to watch the used directory
blocks of one of our frequently changed PDS libraries. Do you have
any idea how to automate this? In case of the threshold exceedance, I
will submit an IEBCOPY to compress in place
Hi
For PDS (not PDSE) I had an SVC 21 (STOW ) front-end to write SMF records.
The intention was to record the old TTR values before update, but maybe
this approch would work(i.e. STOW front-end)
On 29.01.2013 11:49, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
K Zafirop wrote:
I would like to implement a
Radoslaw Skorupka pisze:
>2. AFAIK compress process is NOT for directory blocks reclamation, it is for
>space (outside of directory, used by members) reclamation.
Thanks for taking a shot to this one. While I gave a reply on HOW to get info,
I did not think about IEBCOPY.
You are 100% correct
W dniu 2013-01-29 12:03, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze:
Radoslaw Skorupka pisze:
2. AFAIK compress process is NOT for directory blocks reclamation,
it is for space (outside of directory, used by members)
reclamation.
Thanks for taking a shot to this one. While I gave a reply on HOW to
get info, I
Thank you for your answers,
Please focus on how to automate the utility that identify the PDS used space
threshold (like LISTDSI suggested by Elardus) and not the compression utility
(like IEBCOPY). Is there any other way instead of a daily scheduled JCL job
that execute a LISTDSI against the P
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
>>IBM blew it 20-30 years ago when they stopped being generous to colleges and
>>universities. Looking at the short term.
>You are SO right!
>Shortly after I graduated from Waterloo, IBM stopped that programme; shortly
>after that the University of Waterloo dropped COBOL as a
Used directory blocks are directly related to the number of members; not the
number of updates. Compressing a PDS will not reclaim directory blocks.
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Hi
What about PDSE ?
But if you specify your intentions, maybe you get better suggestions.
What if you reached a threshold ?
On 29.01.2013 12:49, Zafiropoulos Konstantinos wrote:
Thank you for your answers,
Please focus on how to automate the utility that identify the PDS used space
threshold
I actually want an automated watch dog of current utilization (Used tracks) of
PDS and not the directories.
Thanks/ευχαριστώ
Konstantinos Zafiropoulos
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Eric,
Very nice. You will like this, my internist plays keyboards and when I go in we
talk about great guitarists during the exam. Music is a wonderful think my
grandmother sang for the burlesques threater..when he was young
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me an
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:49:40 +, Zafiropoulos Konstantinos wrote:
> Is there any other way instead of a daily scheduled JCL job that execute a
> LISTDSI against the PDS?
REXX running "forever"?
/* Rexx */
call syscalls "ON"
seconds = 300
do forever
x = LISTDSI(...)
..
There have been a lot of good suggestions, but I have some basic questions to
resolve some concerns I have.
Can you post the attributes of the file? Lrecl, blksize, primary space,
secondary space, and dir blocks?
Also, do you have any automation tools like OPS/MVS, Tivoli, etc???
How often is
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At the risk of repeating myself, the "replacement" tools for the IBM functions
we all know and love:
Do not perform as well as their predecessors.
Are not as reliable as their predecessors.
Are not as available as their predecessors.
I find it ironic that a company that prides on a flagship oper
Funny about HLASM, crucial book but sometimes hard to find.
Fortunatlely, it should be, assuming you want the reference, downloadable at
the Pubs Center
searching on : SC26-4940-05
If you need more context, all of these PKITs contain the above and other
related information
germane to HLASM:
Lizette Koehler kindly wrote:
>Do you have tools like PDSMAN, PMO, Vantage, or other?
What is PMO? 'Pretty Much Online'? ;-)
I used that 'GIYF' thing - but I get only Project Management Office and some
acronyms nothing to do with z/OS
Ok - PMO - Push Me Out ...
;-D
Groete / Greetings
E
The original post of K. Zafiropoulos was highly problematic:
directory block usage is a function of member count, not storage
usage. This has now presumably been made clear to him|her.
If now 'gas', DASD space wasted because that occupied by version i of
a PDS member is not recovered when it is r
PMO is a CA product (very old) that manages PDS datasets. Provides performance
for PDS datasets. The other product by CA I forgot to ask about is PDSMAN. It
has some nice features as well.
For PMO - I was thinking if it is a very large PDS, then this might help with
performance in fetching m
Hello All,
I am interested in watching the storage usage (not directory blocks usage) of a
SYS1.mylpar.TCPIP PDS library.
The automation product that is installed in our system is CA OPS/MVS
Kind regards
Konstantinos Zafiropoulos
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Lizette Koehler kindly wrote:
>PMO is a CA product (very old) that manages PDS datasets. Provides
>performance for PDS datasets. The other product by CA I forgot to ask about
>is PDSMAN. It has some nice features as well. For PMO - I was thinking if it
>is a very large PDS, then this might h
Then, I would write a rule in OPS/MVS (probably timer) that executes a REXX
that will do the LISTDSI. Then when your values are reached, have OPS/MVS
Submit the Compress. Or send an EMAIL to you/your team to take some action.
If you could post the attributes, we might be able to provide some PDS
These days, why spend the money for PMO. LLA will do the same job for much less
money!
>PMO is a CA product (very old) that manages PDS datasets. Provides
>performance for PDS datasets. The other product by CA I forgot to ask about
>is PDSMAN. It has some nice features as well. For PMO - I
Kevin Minerly's notion of searching on the publication number for the
HLASM LR has some but not a lot of merit.
One needs to but does not always know that number; and for the HLASM
there is the problem that documents for version 1.6 of the HLASM have
the document number suffix -05. Fortunately,
Eric, color me green with envy. Good luck and best wishes in your new
adventures.
Steve
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:26:48 -0600, Eric Bielefeld
wrote:
>I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more
>weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get
I share Allan Staller's impatience, but people outside our subculture
often do not understand it.
I have recently had the instructive experience of helping some PC
types to use a mainframe for "analytics", and I have had a number of
'philosophical' discussions with them as we worked on their probl
Warning: Opinion of an old curmudgeon follows
Back in a previous engagement I was a rather mediocre and patently lazy
sysprog. When a PDS ran out of space it was my clue that the original
allocation was too small. Solution, make it bigger!
An old friend priest once was asked the meaning
I agree with this monitoring approach: we run reporting on critical PDSs weekly
and if a PDS comes to 80% full threshold, either space or directory, we check
its past and usually conclude that it should be enlarged.
Kees.
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Sorry, I can't resist asking. How much noise was generated by the computer
system doing the prediction? :-)
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Very nice. You will like this, my internist plays keyboards and when I go in we
talk about great guitarists during the exam. Music is a wonderful thing my
grandmother sang for the burlesques threater..when she was young
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I ma
Bill Fairchild wrote:
>Sorry, I can't resist asking. How much noise was generated by the computer
>system doing the prediction? :-)
Easy, Same John McKown wrote something about 'ear-impact' yesterday. ;-D
Very interesting article, I just wonder how hard the 'green' guys will *yell*
when they
eamacn...@yahoo.ca (Ted MacNEIL) writes:
> colleges and universities. Looking at the short term.
>
> You are SO right!
>
> Shortly after I graduated from Waterloo, IBM stopped that programme;
> shortly after that the University of Waterloo dropped COBOL as a
> requirement for co-op students.
>
> B
In my company's case, it's not a matter of asking our vendor to work with
IBM. The vendor already works with IBM, but has chosen to phase out their
mainframe product and create a new one that runs on PC-based servers. For
various reasons, the hospital decided to open the field and look for a new
and what about Linux -- on the Z platform
From: Don Williams
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date: 01/29/2013 10:19 AM
Subject:Re: mainframe "selling" points
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In my company's case, it's not a matter of asking our vendor to work with
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:36:17 -0700, Steve Comstock wrote:
>
>> new developers of these slicker, newer applications want to develop on a
>> familiar platform (i.e., their school did not use a mainframe).
>
>IBM blew it 20-30 years ago when they stopped being generous
>to colleges and universities.
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:10:32 -0600, Kevin Minerley wrote:
>Funny about HLASM, crucial book but sometimes hard to find.
>
Ha ha ha. I'm laughing.
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I am not sure, but the PC in impinging on the z in many ways. IMO, one
reason is that some very creative people can afford their own PC and
tools (especially if they use Linux). The investment is very low
compared to a z. And the "vendor" can then market the product to many
more people. Most every
All,
I have read over the posts and I agree with most of you. But there seems to be
another factor.
Maybe it's always been there and I simply accepted it in my 'younger' days, the
lazy factor.
I see it on here also, 'do my research for me', 'do my job for me' , everyone I
know on the mainframe
John,
I would like to know the actual hardware details..
Scott ford
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understand. - Chinese Proverb
On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:16 AM, John McKown wrote:
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/13
Yep,agreed Tony. Most of the shops I worked in we did compresses nightly or
weekly based on usage and volume of changes. Most sysprogs did their planning
of PDS's correctly, sorta directories weren't that big of an issue.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I m
http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-researchers-break-million-core-supercomputer-barrier
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Scott Ford wrote:
> John,
>
> I would like to know the actual hardware details..
>
> Scott ford
> www.identityforge.com
>
> Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I m
>>> On 1/29/2013 at 11:52 AM, Scott Ford wrote:
> John,
>
> I would like to know the actual hardware details..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Sequoia
Mark Post
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l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes:
> I don't know of any ACIS money that was used for mainframes.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#74 mainframe "selling" points
modulo the references to funding bitnet ... which was mainframe
technology ... similar to what was used for the inte
Hi Steve,
Thanks for great reply. More below...
Don
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Mark,
Super, thank you, much appreciated
Scott ford
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On Jan 29, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Mark Post wrote:
On 1/29/2013 at 11:52 AM, Scott Ford wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> I
May the road rise up to meet you,
May the wind be always at your back,
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
And the rains fail soft upon your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of his hand.
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on
01/28/2013 10:26:48 AM:
> From:
st...@trainersfriend.com (Steve Comstock) writes:
> IBM blew it 20-30 years ago when they stopped being generous
> to colleges and universities. Looking at the short term.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#74 mainframe "selling" points
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#75 mainframe "se
When I worked in Pgh well before working remote became easy and prevalent,
Russ, another fellow from Houston, came up to Pgh to work. His wife, a
sysprog, couldn't find a job in Pgh but did in Houston. He gave notice he
would leave at the end of his first yr. Management let him work from
Hou
> I understand that if you are a contractor to a body shop,
> the body shop is often not paid for 45 days (I hear IBM is
> one of the culprits here), then the body shop won't pay
> it's people for another 45 days. 90 days before the worker
> gets paid is not anywhere near fair, but they got you.
I
Hi Ron,
Sorry, I'm being self-centered. Our zLinux guests run great in our z/VM
LPARs. While I installed and I'm responsible for zLinux and z/VM, my z/OS
expertise is far better than my zLinux or my z/VM skills.
Don
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:34:33 -0600, Mary Anne Matyaz
wrote:
>Prior to IPLing, specify the load parm to indicate the console you want ICKDSF
>to use.
>
You can also IPL stand-alone ICKDSF without specifying any load parm.
From "ICKDSF R17 (Device Support Facilities R17) User's Guide and Refere
>>IBM blew it 20-30 years ago when they stopped being generous
>>to colleges and universities. Looking at the short term.
>Was IBM under some anti-trust duress, although perhaps earlier than that?
I don't think so, at least not in Canada.
We barely have anti-trust regulations, especially in the 1
On 1/29/2013 10:40 AM, Don Williams wrote:
Hi Steve,
Thanks for great reply. More below...
Don
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The standard solution for a heavily used library that needs frequent space
or directory adjustments is PDSE. Requires no monitoring or tweaking. You
just have to make sure that the library is shared only within a sysplex.
.
.
JO.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon T
On 1/29/2013 10:37 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
Very interesting article, I just wonder how hard the 'green' guys will *yell*
when they find out how much electricity power it will consume?
The January 2013 edition of Scientific American, on page 18 "Crunch
Time", reports on a Department of
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
> The University of Waterloo dropped COBOL as a co-op requirement around that
> time, and the 3033's went out in the earlier part of the decade. I graduated
> in '81.
Ah, right. You're talking the academic side. I worked in Systems at UofW
1980-1986, and the IBM systems were
If the road rised up to meet me, wouldn't I just be a splat on the road
then!
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
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Hi John,
System z is not cheap (does it start around $1M?). I expect the traditional
mainframe operating systems, like z/OS, z/VM, etc., to have a significant
price tag. I'm not sure what the pricing is for the zLinux variety of
operating system. Free does not get you business class support. Ad
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on
01/29/2013 08:52:31 AM:
> From: Lizette Koehler
> A compress will not free up directory blocks. It only removes the
> "gas" created by adding and deleting members in a file. So you need
> to over allocate (in my opinion) the directory blocks so you do
On 28 January 2013 13:03, Don Williams wrote:
> I admit it, I'm lazy. I love the entire bookshelf search feature. However,
> more and more books are available only in PDF format. I'm unhappy (stronger
> words would need to censored) that I cannot search an entire extended
> bookshelf on my on P
mp...@suse.com (Mark Post) writes:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Sequoia
long ago precursor ... working both with LLNL and other national labs
as well a commercial RDBMS regarding cluster scaleup ... old email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#medusa
and old reference to commercial RD
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:10:52 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
>
>The funny part is that Google Desktop still works just fine if it's
>already installed, and you can even install it on a new system, but
>there's no more Google support. And of course who knows what security
>holes there may be...
>
>Ton
On 1/29/2013 11:39 AM, Don Williams wrote:
System z is not cheap (does it start around $1M?).
OMG. I hope not! According to http://tech-news.com/publib/, a z114 2818-A01
lists for around $75K. I suspect in practice you can get them for far less,
especially at the end of a quarter.
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You want software with that 'turkey'?
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edja...@phoenixsoftware.com writes:
especially at the end of a quarter
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I so wanted to be the one to ask that question :-)
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Good. I was skimming somewhere and I though I saw an small EC12 listed near
a $1M. Of course, that a good bit bigger than an small z114.
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Don't forget the "Plus S&H"
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>
> You want software with
Kirk,
In started working from home in 2006 , after the death of my wife and having
two kids to raise.
The only downside is the need for other people to talk to..
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll
understand. - Chinese Prov
On 1/29/2013 1:51 PM, Don Williams wrote:
Good. I was skimming somewhere and I though I saw an small EC12 listed near
a $1M. Of course, that a good bit bigger than an small z114.
Right. Smallish shops like ours are hoping/praying for a zBC12(?) model to
arrive some time this year. Even the sma
Don,
Dude a lot of vendors, like ourselves run Z/Pdt
Scott ford
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understand. - Chinese Proverb
On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Don Williams wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> System z is not cheap (does it start
Don:
A *LONG* time ago (20 years) I worked at a hospital that ran a MF and
a LOT of PC's.
Upper management (and indeed lower management) were hanging on by a
thread because the MF system they BOUGHT was outrageous outdated.
It didn't help that the MF management people were to say it nicely
Ed,
Wow I am envious ...
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll
understand. - Chinese Proverb
On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote:
> On 1/29/2013 1:51 PM, Don Williams wrote:
>> Good. I was skimming somewhere and
On Jan 29, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Don Williams wrote:
Don't forget the "Plus S&H"
And software.
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Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work from home?
Scott
On 01/29/2013 05:05 PM, Scott Ford wrote:
Kirk,
In started working from home in 2006 , after the death of my wife and having
two kids to raise.
The only downside is the need for other people to talk to..
Scott
st...@trainersfriend.com (Steve Comstock) writes:
> IBM blew it 20-30 years ago when they stopped being generous
> to colleges and universities. Looking at the short term.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#74 mainframe "selling" points
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#75 mainframe "se
From: scott
Date: 01/29/2013 05:35 PM
Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work from
home?
Scott
Well, Sterling Commerce did, depending on circumstances (now part of IBM).
Depending on your function, IBM does (I'm working from home today). I
think BMC does.
W
Hi,
You might be surprised how many companies allow or even encourage this.
I work 1 day/week from home. It's partly a response to the bird flu from a
few years ago, and partly to prove that we have the infrastructure to support
hundreds/thousands of remote connections to work. I enjo
On 29 January 2013 19:08, Lester, Bob wrote:
> I work 1 day/week from home. It's partly a response to the bird flu from
> a few years ago, and partly to prove that we have the infrastructure to
> support hundreds/thousands of remote connections to work. I enjoy it, but it
> does take a b
Scott,
I was fortunate in having a friend that had worked as a consult for the nice
folks I work for now.
I consulted for a long time and he and I had worked together.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll
understand. - Chines
At 09:14 -0600 on 01/29/2013, Tony B. AOL Mozilla wrote about Re:
Watching used space of a PDS:
Back in a previous engagement I was a rather mediocre and patently
lazy sysprog. When a PDS ran out of space it was my clue that the
original allocation was too small. Solution, make it bigger!
Hi Scott,
While I've heard of zPDT, I don't really know/understand what is does or
offers a vendor. Sounds like zPDT is an affordable and effective platform.
Too bad some vendor did not use it to develop an z/OS EMR package for
hospitals that already have a z/OS infrastructure.
Don
> -Origi
Yes, regardless of the platform, a company has to have both competent
management and competent employees or they doomed to fail.
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:15 PM
>
On 30/01/2013 1:07 PM, Don Williams wrote:
Hi Scott,
While I've heard of zPDT, I don't really know/understand what is does or
offers a vendor. Sounds like zPDT is an affordable and effective platform.
Too bad some vendor did not use it to develop an z/OS EMR package for
hospitals that already h
I'm not an EMR expert, but here's an EMR application (for Linux on z):
http://www-304.ibm.com/partnerworld/gsd/solutiondetails.do?solution=46233
http://www.oemr.org
FIS Global's GT.M is also now available on both z/OS and Linux on z, and
that's one of the two possible commercial runtime environme
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