Re: Keep VM 24X7 365 days

2007-01-24 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 1/23/07, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could this Virtual San be some modification of the Shared/Byte File System server? With IPGATE, that could even be used across LPARs via hypersockets and across physical machines via other TCPIP connections. Well, that's basically NFS to serve

Re: a C language question....

2007-01-24 Thread John P. Hartmann
Dave, There is a netdb.h on the TCPIP 592 disk too. Might it have got in the way. Though I must admit to some puzzlement at the declaration of the function in netdb.h.y on my 5.2. I haven't the stamina to figure out what the macro __new4104 does for you. Maybe Mike Donovan is reading this.

Re: A z/VM idea.

2007-01-24 Thread Phil Smith III
Rob van der Heij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, your security administrator may not like it. When you have an ESM and audit invalid link attempts, your users may not know what they're accused of. If you're not suspicious yet, read on.. ;-) Sure, but if you have an ESM, won't you already have a

Re: a C language question....

2007-01-24 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 01/23/2007 at 06:11 CST, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've written a short C test program that invokes the new getaddrinfo C library function. However, the z/VM C/C++ compiler complains with the following error message when I attempt to compile my test program: #define

Re: SuSE SLES82

2007-01-24 Thread Bill Dodge
Alyce, I am running several SLES7 guests and after following some discussions on LINUX-390 about a RedHat back level system I installed a SLES9SP3 instance and copied etc/localtime from that install to all of my SLES7 guests. So far there have been no problems and a zdump shows the correct

Re: a C language question....

2007-01-24 Thread Dave Jones
John, Sorry about that, I should have made that clear in my first note ...I am using the new socket support provided by z/VM 5.2 LE, and not the older support provided with the TCP/IP product. The TCPMAINT 592 mdisk is not accessed when I attempt my C compile. I also attempted to understand

Re: a C language question....

2007-01-24 Thread John P. Hartmann
Dave, The trouble is over in FEATURES H. Look in your VM reader. Alan, it looks like the function is defined as an external structure; hence the error messages. I have already written to Mikey. Cheers, j. On 1/24/07, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, Sorry about that, I should

Re: a C language question....

2007-01-24 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Paul. Thanks for taking the time to compile this code on another platform. I'll try to see if I can't get the complete C file to compile and execute on Linux as soon as I can, and see what happens there. The C/C++ compiler for z/VM is a port of the z/OS C/C++ product and is a licensed

Question on LINUX

2007-01-24 Thread Edward M. Martin
Hello Everyone, I am just being to review LINUX on z/VM. I have played with it on a PC, took an IBM install class way back when. The question I have been asked is Linux for z/VM truly free?. Or are there costs that HAVE to be incurred? Salesmen never true answers. Ed

Re: a C language question....

2007-01-24 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, John. I got your note; thanks for the pointer (no pun intended:-) to where the real problem is: in features.h Let me have a go with defining _NO_NEW_FUNC_CHECK. I'll let everyone klnow what happens. DJ John P. Hartmann wrote: Dave, The trouble is over in FEATURES H. Look in your

Re: a C language question....

2007-01-24 Thread John P. Hartmann
Dave, You need to convince the compiler that your target is beyond 4104 somehow. Maybe the LE user's guide has the answer. j. On 1/24/07, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, John. I got your note; thanks for the pointer (no pun intended:-) to where the real problem is: in

Re: Question on LINUX

2007-01-24 Thread Peter . Webb
Whether Linux is truly cost-free depends a lot on how you look at things. If you consider disk space and processor time to be free, and also support staff and programmer time as free, then yes, Linux is free (as in beer). You can download Centos Slackware and Debian without charge, and use the

Re: Question on LINUX

2007-01-24 Thread RPN01
Hi Edward; Welcome to the game The cost of Linux may all be related to what you plan to do with it. For a proof of concept, and if you¹re familiar with Linux already, you could try the Debian distribution, which has no cost. There are one or two others as well which should be free

Re: SuSE SLES82

2007-01-24 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alyce Austin Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:45 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: SuSE SLES82 Hello, Is anyone running SLES82? If so, have you updated the timezone for the

Re: a C language question....

2007-01-24 Thread Dave Jones
Looking at the LE and C documentation now...would be nice if IBM provided some sort of cross reference to the various targets, defines, etc. that are liberally used through out the LE header files.. DJ John P. Hartmann wrote: Dave, You need to convince the compiler that your target

Re: Question on LINUX

2007-01-24 Thread Paul Raulerson
There are no costs that *have* to be incurred. However, all the zLinux companies will try their best to get you to buy their Patch/Fix support. For SuSE that has been less than $5K/year, but I understand the price has not 'gone up' a bit. Don't have the details at this time, but I expect they

Re: Keep VM 24X7 365 days

2007-01-24 Thread David Boyes
Could this Virtual San be some modification of the Shared/Byte File System server? Biggest gotcha there is that the IUCV protocol that drives those SFS/BFS servers isn't published anywhere, which would make it hard to implement for non-IBM systems or mostly OCO systems, eg Linux or z/OS.

Re: [Fwd: Question on LINUX]

2007-01-24 Thread Edward M. Martin
Hello Rich, thanks for the info. I know we would go with a maintenance contract after we did a Prove of Concept. That is what I am working on. Along with some data encryption and security functions. Hey I am keeping people busy. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation

Re: Question on LINUX

2007-01-24 Thread Edward M. Martin
Hello Paul, Rich, and everyone else, Thank you for the info. Is there a site that I could download a z/VM SuSE system? Or even a SuSE system for a INTEL system? The basic idea is to get people here comfortable with LINUX (get them involved). I have loaded software,

Re: a C language question....

2007-01-24 Thread Dave Jones
Paul, if you are interested in a free C compiler for z/VM (CMS) you might want to look at the port of gcc over to that environment. The porting effort is being led by Dave Wade, and you can get more details, as well as a download copy of the compiler, here:

Re: Question on LINUX

2007-01-24 Thread Rich Smrcina
The SLES iso images are on the Novell/SUSE site. Edward M. Martin wrote: Hello Paul, Rich, and everyone else, Thank you for the info. Is there a site that I could download a z/VM SuSE system? Or even a SuSE system for a INTEL system? The basic idea is to get people

Re: Question on LINUX

2007-01-24 Thread Rich Smrcina
Oops... here's a URL: http://www.novell.com/products/server/eval.html Edward M. Martin wrote: Hello Paul, Rich, and everyone else, Thank you for the info. Is there a site that I could download a z/VM SuSE system? Or even a SuSE system for a INTEL system? The basic

Re: Question on LINUX

2007-01-24 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 1/24/07, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question I have been asked is Linux for z/VM truly free?. Or are there costs that HAVE to be incurred? And you need sufficient resources on your z/VM system to run Linux. Most obvious is disk space, but also processor, main

Re: Keep VM 24X7 365 days

2007-01-24 Thread Thomas Kern
I was thinking that a virtual san would primarily be for the local virt ual machines and if implemented as a new flavor of SFS then the cross-system use would just be icing on the cake. What I don't like about NFS is the numbe r of hops the data has to take even when all of the processes are in

Re: Keep VM 24X7 365 days

2007-01-24 Thread Thomas Kern
I understand the proprietary nature of IUCV and therefore would expect IB M to write the OCO device drivers for *BLOCKIO and for a virtual san. I c an accept some amount of OCO stuff in my systems. IPGATE is really nice but I hope that its functionality would be rolled i nto a more complete

Re: Question on LINUX

2007-01-24 Thread Tom Duerbusch
If you decide to go with Suse or Redhat, one of the bonus items is that there are IBM Redbooks constructed just for mainframe types trying to use this, foreign, ascii, thing. The vast majority of documentation is written for the PC world, along with their hardware. The Redbooks, such as z/VM and

Re: a C language question....

2007-01-24 Thread Paul Raulerson
Yes, thank you! z/VM is not our primary production environment (that would be zLinux :) so we have few tools on z/VM to do anything with. I'd definately love to have a C compiler over there... -Paul ---BeginMessage--- Paul, if you are interested in a free C compiler for z/VM (CMS) you might

Re: Question on LINUX

2007-01-24 Thread Jose Raul Baron
Certainly. I have done it from www.opensuse.org I think they have currently version 10. That's at least the one I managed to download. BRGDS, Saludos, José R. Barón Dpto. Sistemas CALCULO S. A. _ De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de

Re: Question on LINUX

2007-01-24 Thread McKown, John
If you want a fairly nice, easy to use DESKTOP Linux for Intel, I'd suggest Ubuntu. It is super easy to install and comes with most of the stuff you'd want on a DESKTOP. http://www.ubuntu.com . What I really liked was the fact that it is a LiveCD, which means I can boot from the CD without

Conversion of fiber

2007-01-24 Thread Parmelee, Phil
We are in receipt of a z9, the mainframe has been placed over 1.5miles away from the data center where the printer, etc is. We have single mode fiber between the two sites. Has anyone used any conversion equipment utilizing the ESCON multimode channels to single mode and back to multimode?

Re: Question on LINUX

2007-01-24 Thread Edward M. Martin
Hello Alan, Understood and agree. Too many projects are not sized properly, have not been tested, or have not been researched well enough for what is really wanted and the resources needed to make them work. Thank you for your input. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation

Re: Keep VM 24X7 365 days

2007-01-24 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 01/24/2007 at 09:46 CET, Rob van der Heij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While standing at the virtual white board... Since CP can already provide some form of virtual QDIO devices, it would seem more attractive to enhance that into virtual FCP. The good thing about that is also that

EXECCOMM Environment

2007-01-24 Thread Schuh, Richard
I must be losing it. I do not remember how to tell if an EXEC was called from another REXX or EXEC2 EXEC other than using a pipe to reach back and see if it touches anything. Is there a built-in function or a CSL call for doing this, or is using a pipe the best solution? Regards, Richard Schuh

Re: EXECCOMM Environment

2007-01-24 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 1/24/07, Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must be losing it. I do not remember how to tell if an EXEC was called from another REXX or EXEC2 EXEC other than using a pipe to reach back and see if it touches anything. Is there a built-in function or a CSL call for doing this, or is

Re: EXECCOMM Environment

2007-01-24 Thread Don Russell
Schuh, Richard wrote: I must be losing it. I do not remember how to tell if an EXEC was called from another REXX or EXEC2 EXEC other than using a pipe to reach back and see if it touches anything. Is there a built-in function or a CSL call for doing this, or is using a pipe the best

Re: SuSE SLES82

2007-01-24 Thread Austin, Alyce (CIV)
Thanks! I guess by using the tzset and date commands, you can set the date and timezone dynamically too... is that true? Alyce -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:15 AM To:

Re: Conversion of fiber

2007-01-24 Thread David Boyes
We are in receipt of a z9, the mainframe has been placed over 1.5miles away from the data center where the printer, etc is. We have single mode fiber between the two sites. Has anyone used any conversion equipment utilizing the ESCON multimode channels to single mode and back to multimode?

Re: Keep VM 24X7 365 days

2007-01-24 Thread David Boyes
I understand the proprietary nature of IUCV and therefore would expect IB M to write the OCO device drivers IUCV isn't hard -- that's been done. It's the dataflow verbs and responses that make up the conversation between a SFS/BFS client and the SFS/BFS server that are the undocumented bit.