We are an MVS shop setting up a Linux under VM pilot and need to have some
procedures in place for operations. We are trying to figure out how/where we
want the operators to have console access. Right now only the sys. progs. have
any access to VM and we use a telnet session from our desks to a
the operators usually use the supplied operator ID in the VM directory
it can be restricted as you prefer with letter class on the ID
they can also use OP1
USER OPERATOR xx 32M 32M ABCDEFG
Bauer,
I would recommend not using the HMC as an operator console. There is a
VM userid called OPERATOR, which is usually logged on when VM IPL's.
What are you wanting your operators to do? I would not use OPERATOR as a
console, per say. I would set up a separate userid for the operators.
I'd leave
Hi,
Sorry this is off topic.
I wanted to know who others use (other than IBM) to provide hardware
service support for their IBM equpipment such as processors and disks.
For years I have been keeping our CPU under IBM service but the recent
numbers I am getting from IBM basically make it
Good questions Steve. At this point we are not sure what role operations will
play. I guess they need to be able to shut down just in case and to IPL. We
don't have any experience and are just trying to think ahead. I'm sure it will
change 2 weeks after the Linux guest are in use.
Sounds like
I think it would have helped to state where you are located, sending you
hardware support names from small companies from NY, NJ may not
help you
Aria Bamdad
We run z/Linux under z/VM in one LPAR and several z/OS LPARs. All access
is via TN3270 sessions. While the operators have consoles for each z/OS
image and several other sessions to various z/OS LPARs, their z/VM sessio
n
normally sits at the VM logo. The OPERATOR userid runs disconnected
I'm not sure I would rely on telnet -- the operator's should have a 'real'
console to be able to shutdown/IPL in case of a network or TCPIP failure..
Scott Rohling
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good questions Steve. At this point we are
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:52:51 -0400 August Carideo said:
I think it would have helped to state where you are located, sending you
hardware support names from small companies from NY, NJ may not
help you
Good point. I am in the Washington DC Metro area.
One can always use the integrated 3270 console on the HMC, then one has a
real 3270
2008/10/7 Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not sure I would rely on telnet -- the operator's should have a 'real'
console to be able to shutdown/IPL in case of a network or TCPIP failure..
Scott Rohling
Thanks August.
Aria.
Aria, I believe Mainline does it.
http://www.mainline.com/_web/home/index.html
Mary Anne
2008/10/7 Aria Bamdad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks August.
Aria.
Trouble with a 'real' console is the need to be a locally attached 3270 device.
I understand that to mean a 3174 or similar device. We don't have any. All our
MVS consoles use the ICC OSA interface.
Yeah the integrated 3270 on the HMC is a 'real' 3270!
Bobby Bauer
Center for Information
You can use OSA-ICC for VM. We do. Use the non-sna/dft device type.
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:15 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: VM
Trouble with a 'real' console is the need to be a locally attached 3270
device. I understand that to mean a 3174 or similar device. We don't
have any. All our MVS consoles use the ICC OSA interface.
If you've got an ICC, then define one of the logical devices on it to
the VM LPAR and have it
I don't think they mentioned what box they were running on, but if they
can setup ICC, then I would go that route versus using the HMC. With
ICC you can use a PC with some 3270 software. You can get yourself into
trouble pretty quick if you don't know your way around the HMC software.
What is
As far as the physical connection goes, I would suggest using the OSA-ICC feature. It
offers a built-in TN3270 server that TN3270 emulators can connect to via the company
network (with appropriate security in place, of course), but to the host o/s, they appear
as locally attached 3270 sessions.
I know operations wants a 'console' so I'll look into using the OSA-ICC.
Somehow I was under the impression it was not available to VM, not sure where I
got that idea.
Jonathan, thanks for specifying non-sna/dft
Bobby Bauer
Center for Information Technology
National Institutes of Health
Nope, OSA-ICC works great with z/VM, and you still keep all of the function of TN3270
(e.g., file transfer via IND$FILE).
Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] wrote:
I know operations wants a 'console' so I'll look into using the OSA-ICC.
Somehow I was
under the impression it was not available to VM,
Somehow with posts that refer to partitions and hardware, gmail
account is suggesting links to JackNob which provides Toilet
Partitioning Hardware - :-)
Rob (avoiding a comment about pee-series LPAR)
Brings a whole new meaning to flushing cache lines.
On 10/7/08 11:30 AM, Rob van der Heij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somehow with posts that refer to partitions and hardware, gmail
account is suggesting links to JackNob which provides Toilet
Partitioning Hardware - :-)
Rob (avoiding a
Bobby,
You can set up the ICC OSA interface for z/VM also.
I use it here to log on to and SHUTDOWN and IPL z/VM.
We use OPERATOR and then disconnect it after the IPL.
Unfortunately for me the MVS group set this up on my PC so I am not sure
how to do it.
good luck
Bill Munson
Brown Brothers
ICC works fine since about z/VM 4.4 (maybe even 4.3)..
You may want to use the terminal for something besides just a blank VM
console.. One suggestion that OPS and even management (usually) seems to like
is running a VM performance monitor. I think it is just the pretty colors but
it always
For an MVS shop, that all things equal helps with operators. Using an I
CC,
we have a Master Console for each LPAR with alternative sessions for
Terminal activity. For the IFL LPAR, we have OPERATOR logged on that Mast
er
Console running the Performance Toolkit program PERFKIT. With an minimum
For an MVS shop, that all things equal helps with operators.
I think that's a universal...8-)
we have OPERATOR logged on that Mast
er
Console running the Performance Toolkit program PERFKIT. With an
minimum
FCONX $PROFILE, you get a nice scrolling console with some (not great)
logging of
Tom,
I found a copy of the Lars batch system including all 9 files. Included is the
full documentation for the system. The version I have is release 2.2, but I may
have release 2.3 and some additional mods and fixes. Are you still interested
in this?
George Shedlock Jr
AEGON Information
What's the good and bad news about today's mainframe education?
I think the good parts are that there is more of it occurring. The
negative side is that there continues to be a great deal of confusion
(most of it generated by IBM) that mainframe = z/OS. Much, if not all,
of the advances in
I tend to agree with 99% of what Mr. Boyes said. However, the educational
responsibility needs to be placed more upon academia. For them to teach
UNIX / Linux is a given ability. The lack of educators with mainframe
skills and knowledge along with their respective teaching tools limit in
Dear List,
Have any of you running z/VM 5.4.0 (RSU 0801) experienced a system hang
during SHUTDOWN processing. This happens with z/VM 5.4 running in a
second level virtual machine as well as in an LPAR. With 5.4 running in
a second level virtual machine, TRACK shows the virtual machine in a
Hi all,
There is a new package on the IBM download page XBROWSE .. I downloaded it did
VMARC and got two files 1) XBROWSE MODULE and 2) XBROWSE CMSHELP..
But when I type XBROWSE .. I get UNKNOWN CP/CMS COMMAND.
This is a complied REXX program and should at least start to execute... ..
Anyone
When I enter XBROWSE (with no arguments), I get a return code off 100. If
I
give it an FN FT FM or an SPFNUM, it works. Perhaps your problem is a lac
k
of a REXX Library, either the product version or that alternate freebie o
ne.
I have the alternate library installed.
/Tom Kern
/301-903-2211
Hi
I am trying to write a REXX exec to shutdown my z/Linux guests. I am
having trouble figuring out a couple of things:
'MAKEBUF'
RC = 0
DO FOREVER;
Are you setting CPCONIO to IUCV? You need to direct things to IUCV in
order for WAKEUP to know things are arriving via IUCVMSG
Scott Rohling
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
I am trying to write a REXX exec to shutdown my
Tom,
Any idea where I can find the freebie REXX library?
Tom
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Thomas Kern
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:38 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: new program on download page.
When I
I tend to agree with 99% of what Mr. Boyes said. However, the
educational responsibility needs to be placed more upon academia. For
them to teach UNIX / Linux is a given ability. The lack of educators
with mainframe skills and knowledge along with their respective teaching
tools limit in today's
If you use the signal facility the Linux image will shutdown and VM will
wait for it to shutdown prior to completing VM's own shutdown process.
Larry
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Using the ALT LIB I downloaded from IBM I get the following:
xbrowse profile exec a
EAGALT0300E Error 3 running compiled XBROWSE *, line 0: Program is unreadable
EAGALT0304I The program cannot run with the Alternate Library
Out of curiosity - I tried this - got the 'Unknown CP/CMS command' when I
entered XBROWSE. Then I went and downloaded the alternate REXX library as
suggested, installed -- and this is what I get:
xbrowse
EAGALT0300E Error 3 running compiled XBROWSE *, line 0: Program is
unreadable
EAGALT0304I
The program is unreadable because EAGALT0304I The program cannot
run with the Alternate Library. I don't know why people supply
free tools without source code, but at least compiled tools on the
download page should be compiled to work with the alternate library!
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:46 PM,
And there were no errors in the VMARC Unpack? Have you tried the FBLOCK
trick (PIPE vmarc file | fblock 80 00 | vmarc file) before
unpacking the module?
Regards,
Richard Schuh
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
What's the good and bad news about today's mainframe education?
The good news is that some (eg: university) students are
hearing about mainframes, though not often in their classes.
The bad news is that most academic sites
continue to run the cheap stuff.
People learn by doing. Even the most
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