--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know of a farrier with experience with Icelandics.
Does it matter what breed the horse is when picking a farrier? How
many
breeds of horses in the USA?
Karen Thomas, NC
Well.I try this one.before Sally was a farrier, we
Thanks for the articles, Judy.
Interesting that it's just about impossible to find any articles on
the use of a shanked, broken, Tom Thumb type bit (like the Icelandic
bit) in combination with a flash noseband. Probably because no authors
can imagine anyone stupid enough to do it!
Mic
Mic
In addition, people cannot get rabies from having contact with bat
guano (feces), blood, or urine, or from touching a bat on its fur (even
though bats should never be handled!).
That's right. Since our farm has been a dot on some CDC map, we had to
learn more about rabies than I ever wanted
This man was here illegally from Mexico! He entered the caves
illegally too!
And his immigration status would change the facts of how rabies is
transmitted? That sounds like some ethnic hysteria to me.
I am a Registered Nurse. Do not believe everything you read on the
CDC...
And I
Now that Sally is a farrier, if someone calls for work...I ask them what
disipline of riding do you do with your horse. That is more
important.not bnecause we would do something weird or different, but
because we do not carry shoes for Slidingor TB race
plates...we carry a range of
Interesting that it's just about impossible to find any articles on the
use of a shanked, broken, Tom Thumb type bit (like the Icelandic bit) in
combination with a flash noseband. Probably because no authors can imagine
anyone stupid enough to do it!
I really think that's it, Mic. I've never
The jawbands of the English and flash nosebands should rest high up on
the solid nasal bone where the horse is less sensitive to pressure. A wide
jawband can exert little pain on this hard inflexible skull bone and does
not impede breathing, since it runs above the nostril area.
That brings up
On 9/17/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a link to the listing. It sells with 15 acres, plus you can
buy extra land with it (which is what I'd want to do).
It looks like it has your name on it to me :-)) I'll keep my fingers
crossed for you. I just moved my horses to my
It would be more likely to me, that while he was in the caves he was
bitten by a bat. Being in the midst of all that and with their very sharp
teeth, it could conceivably even happen without him knowing it.
Yep...but who knows? If this is even a real story, who's to say he even got
rabies
It's beautiful. The house is charming and the view is lovely. Good luck.
What would you do with 50 acres, Virginia? That's a lot of acreage.
Nancy
On 9/17/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nice! Gosh, 15 acres is nothing to sneeze at, and 50 would be heaven.
Does the house look as cute in person as in the pictures? It looks lovely.
15 acres is great, and the rest, that would be bonus! There's already
a 'road' of sorts to the
I have never thought it did. I use the same farrier for my TWH, my
Standardbred and my Icelandics that we've use for all the endurance horses.
I love it if I can have Hunter shod about one week before a competition. He
just floats over the trails. He's a little less floaty when his feet begin
Good grief, if I had to be treated when there were bats flying in my
bedroom, I'd look like a pin cushion. Hasn't happened in years, but before
some remodeling, they lived in out attic and did sometimes come into the
house.
Nancy
15 acres is great, and the rest, that would be bonus! There's already
a 'road' of sorts to the end of all the acres which continues onto someone
elses property and then ends at a gas pipe line...if I could get permission
to cross the other owners property and get to the pipe line, that would
See, Laree? Now you can collect the bat
poo in your catch basins and sell it! g
Oohh, yuuuck!
--
Laree
It is an effective fertilizer and gunpowder ingredient due to its high
levels of phosphorus and nitrogen and also its lack of odor.
Gunpowder?! Wow--I wonder who thought up that one! So that explains
guano harvesters--what a job. Thanks for the explanation
Maggie--that's interesting. See,
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And one might also say that the disciplines you
mention are not exactly normal, everyday pursuits for
average owners.
Guess that depends on which part of the country you
live in. Out here, reiners are pretty common. So not
only should you not make
On 9/17/07, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is why it took so long to figure out what was
wrong with him. Rabies is very rare!!..He could have had an open
wound or inhaled it into his lungs.
It would be more likely to me, that while he was in the caves he was
bitten by a
You HAVE been doing your homework, Virginia. I'll be looking forward to you
buying a farm, even if this isn't the one. It will be fun to hear about
someone else setting up a place...without me having to actually do the work!
Sounds like it! Looks like a wonderful place, and the price looks
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The curb bit, on the other hand, is fundamentall intended for one-
handed rein contact. The unjointed bar is rigid and immovable, it
must not be tilted, and its position on the tongue must not to
altered much. Consequently,
Robyn S (who is an RN too, for what it's worth)
I'm sure it's worth a whole lot, Robyn...in many contexts!
Karen Thomas, NC, daughter of an RN, niece of four aunts who are RN's, and
who learned at any early age to always wear clean underwear... just in
case :)
On 17/09/2007, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This farrier is quite, a character, by the way. Very tall and lean, long
LONG pony tail. He lives with his wife and little girl off the grid in a
very rural area and sometimes shows up at rides wearing just a loin cloth.
Avert eyes time
what a beauty. a wonderful color!
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
Nasi will probably bulk up quite a bit more, he's got a couple more years to
fill out and build muscle.
Cherie
I need to measure him. I have a nice measuring stick thing I have
never unwrapped since I bought it, a stick measurer. I look at them
standing together tho and Nasi appears to
And the movie was lackinghad difficulty with a Geat hero speaking
with a Scots accent. But I loved the horses! They truely are mounts
worthy of Epona,(where the word pony comes from). And I am in love
with tobianos so you can imagine what I did when that dark tobiano
with the star on his
I have my horses done like clockwork every 6-8 weeks depending on the
farrier's schedule, and I swear this last time, friday, my horses had
been done 6 weeks earlier and they were the worst they've ever been
all but Tivar and Traveller. Stonewall who is usually ok, was so bad
I would be
On 9/14/07, Robyn Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. The
Missouri Division of Health Central Laboratory has never isolated
rabies from a bird, fox squirrel, gray or ground squirrel, chipmunk or
field mouse, wild rat, rabbit
I was told this is because these animals are so small the
On 9/17/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This farrier is quite, a character, by the way. Very tall and lean, long
LONG pony tail. He lives with his wife and little girl off the grid in a
very rural area and sometimes shows up at rides wearing just a loin cloth.
Avert eyes time for
Guess that depends on which part of the country you live in. Out here,
reiners are pretty common. So not only should you not make generalizations
about Icelandics, I don't think you should do the same about disciplines.
Actually, Susan, I know some reiners in this area too, but they don't
the longest known incubation period in a human is SEVENTEEN years.
Heck I cant even remember where I parked my car. Sure cant remember
what I was doing seventeen years ago.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
I think I'll stick to bunny poo for garden fertilizer tho. :)
Robyn S
speaking of poo... i put chicken poo on my rose bushes and they
started growing just incredibly healthy, bushy, green, gorgeous...
but not ONE bloom. So I bought rose food at walmart and dosed em and
they bloomed like
---Very interesting read! I thought that Lee Ziegler had
me using direct rein contact with the mild ported mouth (not jointed)
kimberwick that I use. I wonder if the above is contradictory to
that. I assume that the use of the term curb bit would indicate a
mild ported mouth
speaking of poo... i put chicken poo on my rose bushes and they
started growing just incredibly healthy, bushy, green, gorgeous...
but not ONE bloom. So I bought rose food at walmart and dosed em and
they bloomed like crazy. So obviously chicken feed is the wrong rate
they need for
If only.
Nancy
I dont see how poop could be communicable unless it was fresh, still body
temperature, and entered your body thru an open sore or you injested it.
Excuse the graphic nature of my answer, but rabies isn't even shed through
feces, blood or urine. So even if you rubbed an open cut against a
Out here, we have trail building parties. The folks I ride with have built
and maintained miles and miles of trails. When should we be there Virginia?
Nancy
I am gonna try horse poo and see if that does
ok for blooming.
Since I pick the horse manure in our pasture/paddock/yard daily (what
do you call 2 1/2 acres?) it is clean - no shavings, etc and I have
already had 2 rose growers ask me about getting it for their roses
when it has composted for
All of our really good farriers out here (rec. by one of the best Equine
Clinics on the West Coast) have told me over the years that the lateral
expansion of Icelandics is very different than most breeds, so unless you
are used to this, you may fit the shoe a bit tighter the first few shoeing
I have never thought it did. I use the same farrier for my TWH, my
Standardbred and my Icelandics that we've use for all the endurance horses.
Same here. We've used the same farrier for 15+ years, and he's done my
walkers, my app, my Arab, my QH's, and the Icelandic's. He trimmed the Arab
I realize these horses are Iceland's treasure, but they may very well
be the purest examples of the ancient Celtic horse of any breed alive.
Watching them move was breath takingmost worthy of a goddess.
Thanks for the movie review! Is this the one Beowulf and Grendel or
is it another
According to my bit book, a snaffle is any bit that works by direct
pressure, whereas a curb is a bit that works by leverage. So your
kimberwicke, like my mod. port Monte Foreman pelham, works by direct
pressure and is thus a snaffle bit.
There's another difference - a Kimberwicke does have a
On 9/17/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's beautiful. The house is charming and the view is lovely. Good luck.
What would you do with 50 acres, Virginia? That's a lot of acreage.
Learn how to grow hay, make trails, walk in the woods...
V
Yes, as far as I can remember broken mouth bits with shanks with ot without
a curb are not allowed in any traditional competitive situation. We always
made harsh mental judgements on the rare occassion we actually saw soemone
using one.
Nancy
On 9/17/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Out here, we have trail building parties. The folks I ride with have built
and maintained miles and miles of trails. When should we be there Virginia?
Sounds like fun!!! Be a long trip to come ride the trails with me though. :D
V
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:49:52 -0600, you wrote:
So your
kimberwicke, like my mod. port Monte Foreman pelham, works by direct
pressure and is thus a snaffle bit.
??? How can a bit which uses poll pressure and has a curb chain be
classified as a snaffle? Answer - it can't.
A Kimberwick is a curb
I look at them standing together tho and Nasi appears to be approximately a
hand shorter at the withers than teev, who is I think 13.2. I will measure
them both.
I measured Tivar at 13.1H, which is what Robyn Hood (or Mandy?) measured him at
the clinic at the Icelandic Horse Farm.
Sort
I wonder if the above is contradictory to that. I assume that the use
of the term curb bit would indicate a mild ported mouth bit with shanks?
I don't think the kimberwick has what could be called shanks, unless you
use the rein slots. Then you could have a little bit of a leverage bit.
Lee
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do know a LITTLE something about reining horses
and the long-term effects of a sport that can easily
cross the edge into extreme. A lot of sports can
cross that line...
The majority of people doing sports like this are
doing it for hobby and fun and
have told me over the years that the lateral
expansion of Icelandics is very different than most breeds, so unless you
are used to this,
That's interesting, Kaaren. When Cherie brought Mura here I asked her
to look at Doppa's trim and she showed me where her front hooves were
flaring on the
??? How can a bit which uses poll pressure and has a curb chain be
classified as a snaffle? Answer - it can't.
Mic???!! What's up? We're agreeing way more often that we're disagreeing
lately! :)
Karen Thomas, NC
On 17/09/2007, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
have told me over the years that the lateral
expansion of Icelandics is very different than most breeds, so unless you
are used to this,
It was
interesting because Mura had the same tendency to flare and I wondered
if it as an
Yes, as far as I can remember broken mouth bits with shanks with ot
without a curb are not allowed in any traditional competitive situation.
Mic, I think that's your approach...you'll have to look for places that the
Icelandic-approved-sins are prohibited in other disciplines.
Karen Thomas,
When Cherie brought Mura here I asked her to look at Doppa's trim and
she showed me where her front hooves were flaring on the sides and needed to
be trimmed a little closer. Then when the farrier came last week I had him
take the horses up on the concrete when he thought he was finished (we
yes, when Stali was infectious Fox bit him on the rump. I was freaked
about that too, but they told me it was almost impossible for fox to
get it that way. he would have to somehow bite the exact spot where
the virus was travelling up nerve fluid and then get it in an open
sore. Its very
my gosh how do you get her mane so white!?! Is it just white white like that??
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
I will say this tho, of all the myths and lore and stupid legend stuff
people toss out all the time bout icelandics, not one person has ever
said anything about the only REAL huge difference i see in icelandics
compared to other breeds--- in my walking horses they were WAY
shorter at age 1 year
Sort of on the same topic, Janice, do you have a concrete area to stand them
on for measuring? I just thought about your sand - I wonder how on earth you
could ever find a level, non-sinking spot to stand the horses on...?
Karen Thomas, NC
I have a little sidewalk but I will have to
--- Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mura had the same tendency to flare and I wondered
if it as an Icelandic tendency.
Nope, flare is a tendency in every breed. That's why
I am so happy now with my barefoot trimmer who does a
mustang roll to help prevent flares. A horse walking
on a
beautiful Malin!!! One thing about icelanders, at least they seem to
care about wearing helmets! The horses are gorgeous. One is the
color of my Tivar. The children are beautiful! Wish I could be
there!
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
All of our really good farriers out here (rec. by one of the best Equine
Clinics on the West Coast) have told me over the years that the lateral
expansion of Icelandics is very different than most breeds, so unless you
are used to this, you may fit the shoe a bit tighter the first few shoeing
In a message dated 9/17/2007 8:08:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
Where is this fifty acres? Once upon a time I lived on forty acres. The
front was crops and the back half was pasture and a stand of trees. If it's in
a
nice green area that
I am very religious about having the farrier here every 6 weeks. I have
to say - both of these girls have fantastic feet - I'm lucky. The farrier
says he has clients that would pay huge amounts of money to be able to put
these feet on their horses and I'm sure they do, trying to make their
a man told me he worked for the health dept and went out on a rabies
call. he said he somehow got there before the sheriff or animal
control and said I drove up to the sight of a very small, very
elderly woman, standing with a live fox hanging suspended from her
lower lip by his teeth,
Yeah, I know. It's easy to offer to come build trail when you know you'll
never get there. It would be fun, though.
Trail building, when done in mild weather, is actually fun. Right now we
have a lot of trail cleaning that still needs to be done after a late-summer
wind storm. The fire
On the flip side of the coin, Elska has hooves made of iron. They
don't flare at all...however I have to have her on a shorter cycle
because if I don't and she develops any kind of a lip...then she gets
some wall separation.
So it's a balancing act to try get everyone trimmed when they need to
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:25:31 -0400, you wrote:
Mic, I think that's your approach...you'll have to look for places that the
Icelandic-approved-sins are prohibited in other disciplines.
I rather think so too, particularly as FEIF wishes to be a member of
FEI, with Icelandic horse sport eventually
Thank you so much for the invitation, we just may take you up on it!!
We are trying to find an area in Oregon that has similar rainfall sun days
as we do here in the Sanat Ynez Valley, Ca.not too cold n the winter.
Our ideal would be no more than 20 rain with a bit of snow in the winter
.unless you had a cut where the horse drooled and then you'd be in trouble.
When the whole AIDS thing started coming out I was in nursing school,
and it wasn't even in our brand-new textbooks. Everything we learned
about AIDS was from handouts. And at the time it wasn't clear how
AIDS was
Interesting that it's just about impossible to find any articles on
the use of a shanked, broken, Tom Thumb type bit (like the Icelandic
bit) in combination with a flash noseband. Probably because no authors
can imagine anyone stupid enough to do it!
Here's some interesting information from
In a message dated 9/17/2007 8:50:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
My pony has feet that grow very fast. It's unreal his feet grow so fast.
What is the reason for this? Is this something in their genetics that it is
necessary for the feet to
It's always as white as the driven snow. I don't do a thing to it
other than brush it out every few weeks.
thats amazing. teevs is gorgeous but pale pale yellow. Fox's is
actually what I would call silky platinum white but ahem, gosh, i must
have spilled some oxy 10 on it a couple of
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK what is a mustang roll?
Jaime Jackson named it for the wild horses and how
their hooves look and self trim in the wild. The
outer edge is rolled so there is nothing to catch,
chip, break, and flare when they walk. A mustang
travels at least 20 miles a day
After watching the sample video of the World
Championship for Icelandic Horses, in Holland, 2007, at the following site:
http://www.notion.net/icelandichorses2007/qtpreviewT1.html
I wonder: what is the audience applauding?!?!?
The first horse shown on the video, moving directly towards the
A Pelham is designed to work as a curb and snaffle together, using two
reins. If you only use the snaffle rein, why not just use an ordinary
snaffle?
Because my horse wasnt' comfortable in a snaffle. When I rode in Lee's
clinic, she wanted to try him in a Monte Foreman pelham, which she had
Who are you and what have you done with Karen?
Mic
she woke up and there was a giant seed pod beside her bed.
janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
On 9/17/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This farrier is quite, a character, by the way. Very tall and lean, long
LONG pony tail. He lives with his wife and little girl off the grid in a
very rural area and sometimes shows up at rides wearing just a loin cloth.
Avert eyes time
The question is, can you get Easy Boots in sizes small enough for pony
feet?
In the Boa brand, my Icelandic's mostly need size 0's and 1's - which are
surprisingly big for pony's their heights. I can't remember exactly how
small EZ-boots come, but VERY small. I can't remember the size in
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The question is, can you get Easy Boots in sizes
small enough for pony feet?
I just measured Andi yesterday for Easyboots and he
measured 00 in his fronts. That is the same size as
Whisper and he is almost 2 hands shorter. And there
are 3 sizes (at
Some of them seemed to have leather thongs for a bit.
I read as far as leather thongs and thought this was going to still be about
Nancy's farrier...
Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
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Because my horse wasnt' comfortable in a snaffle. When I rode in Lee's
clinic, she wanted to try him in a Monte Foreman pelham, which she had and
we did. He went better in it and was happier w/ a bit, so I switched.
That was one thing I found terribly refreshing when I first encountered Lee
and
I'm off to our local lake/resevoir today with Whisper.
I am going to work on getting her into the water.
I'll try to get pics and videos. With irrigation
season near it's end, I wonder how much water is
left?? Guess I'll find out!
Susan in NV
Nevermore Ranch
did you see on discovery channel that special on the terra cotta
chinese soldiers they found in a crypt? hundreds of them, many of
them mounted on horses. the horses had on different sorts of tack.
Some of them seemed to have leather thongs for a bit.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
Mic???!! What's up? We're agreeing way more often that we're
disagreeing lately! :)
Who are you and what have you done with Karen?
Hey, I was just wondering the same thing about the old Mic! :) By the way,
nice to meet ya, New Mic!
New Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
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From PR-GB.com:
The size of horses varies by breed, but can also be influenced by
nutrition. The general rule for cutoff in height between what is considered
a horse and a pony at maturity is 14.2 hands high. (abbreviated h or hh)
(147 cm, 58 inches) as measured at the withers. An animal 14.2h
What exactly is a slow tolt? Does it have a definition? Is it a
two-foot / three-foot support gait? or a one-foot / two-foot support gait?
Or is one-foot / two-foot / three-foot support allowed as some of the horses
were doing?
Judy is it my imagination, or did the slow tolts shown this year
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I love that you can clip western reins to a halter, stand right
behind his
butt and drive him along a fence. We've driven Tosca from the
seat of an
electric wheelchair. I would never have tried it if I hadn't been
After watching the sample video of the World Championship for Icelandic
Horses, in Holland, 2007, at the following site:
http://www.notion.net/icelandichorses2007/qtpreviewT1.html
Has anyone in the USA tried to order that full video? I just tried to use
the online order form, and it didn't
Judy, do you mind if I forward this on to one or two people?
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
---
Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs:
www.solva-icelandics.co.uk
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:32:28 -0400, you wrote:
Has anyone in the USA tried to order that full video?
It worked OK for me in the UK.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
---
Solva Icelandic Horses and
worked OK for me in the UK.
Do you know if you use the same video format in the UK as we use in the USA?
I've e-mailed them with questions - I wonderedf the form expects addresses
and phone numbers in some format not like ours in the USA. We'll see.
Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
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Learn how to grow hay, make trails, walk in the woods...V
If you ask me, there's no such thing as too much acreage. There's nothing
like a peaceful walk in private woods...on horseback or on foot.
Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
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Oh--you were talking about the 'cute house' yeah, it's cute. I'd
want to paint and maybe do some flooring but it's nice.
The first thing that jumped out that I didn't care for was the green
cabinets. Maybe they look better in person, but even if not...paint is
cheap!
Karen
Karen Thomas
Ponies often exhibit thicker
manes, tails and overall coat. They also have proportionally shorter legs,
wider barrels, heavier bone, shorter and thicker necks, and short heads with
broad foreheads. They often have calmer temperaments than horses and also a
high level of equine intelligence
--- susan cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And one might also say that the disciplines you
mention are not exactly normal, everyday pursuits for
average owners.
Guess that depends on which part of the country you
live in. Out here, reiners
What did I tell ya - walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc
You're funny, Laree!
Karen Thomas
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Don't give him any ideas.
Nancy
13.2. I will measure
them both.
Janice
--
Mine are supposed to be 13.2. But Dagur is a bit
taller. I have never measured a horse in my life.
Lorraine
Tonight's top picks. What will you watch
There are noticeable
differences in conformation and temperament. Ponies often exhibit thicker
manes, tails and overall coat. Judy
people who have never seen an icelandic always rave over tivar's tail
being so bushy. They say stuff like my gosh look at his tail, its
almost as wide as his
Thanks.
Nancy
On 9/17/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some of them seemed to have leather thongs for a bit.
I read as far as leather thongs and thought this was going to still be
about Nancy's farrier...
if my farrier ever showed up in a leather thong my horses would
stampede. forgive me
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