- Original Message -
From: Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy has been trying to draw people's attention
to things like bad saddlefit forever and then Stan comes along and
says something and its oh my GOSH a rocket scientist!! Who KNEW.
but I am SO glad, because maybe they will
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 07:25:30PM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote:
On the same page with Stan's videos about saddle fit,
http://www.hestakaup.com/content/view/59/97/ , he said something I'd never
heard before: There is much to suggest that the t?lt was only discovered in
Iceland by some priests
Robyn and others have mentioned on this list over and over and over again,
and I don't think can be said enough, given the amount of new-comers to
the
breed and/or horses we likely have on this list:
Make sure the talk matches the walk. If a clinician, instructor,
expert
is saying all
- Original Message -
From: blessiowner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. . . During this ride, I faced some minor challeges and pushed my riding
skills just a bit. I got most of my confidence from Blessi.
Hi Pamela,
This was such a nice post to read. . . .
You made a statement up there
I personally don't like the variation of clicker training that varies
giving of the reward for the correct behavior because of this sentiment.
Can you clarify? I'm not sure what you mean by varies the giving of the
reward. Can you give an example of what you're talking about? I thought a
i just know the photos of bugs you sent are not our typical earmites.
They are much larger. They are almost like what we call white flies
which are usually just on gardenia bushes and stuff like that.
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Stan should get an award for his service to the icelandic horse
through his website.
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
do horses ever get back atrophy from just standing around for years??
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
What's the story behind these horses? I live pretty close to Galt -
about 45 minutes but I REALLY do not want any more horses, in fact I'd
like to sell a few. (If you are looking for a gelding, I have a very
nice 3 yo by Bragur, lovely temperment and will be pretty tall).
Anyhow - do you
do horses ever get back atrophy from just standing around for years??
Yes, they do!
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
If anyone is looking for ponies in northern california, a woman is selling
several that she rescued,
I saw the ad for that herd for sale; wonder what the situation is, where she
got them, why they are rescues, etc.
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
I would like to see photos also. ~jules
Julie Sandoval
Easy To Spot
Naturally Raised
Dalmatians Collies
Mobile Grooming Boarding
Oma's Pride Raw Food Distributor
Acton,CA
www.EasyToSpot.com
http://easytospot.blogs.com/easy_to_spot/
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Renee Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have done things with my horses that I NEVER EVER thought I would
do
when I started riding at the ripe 'ol age of 26. Soley and later
Eitill,
made it all possible.
Hello Renee,
I didn't start riding (other
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 08:34:09AM -0700, Ann Cassidy wrote:
Actions ALWAYS speak louder (and more honestly) than words.
I thought I should send the photo to be sure you all agree. I am not
too scanner literate so you get the whole page.
i am at work, on a machine not allowing graphics
I took my little friend down to the river today with Cookie, for a
lead-line
ride.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rmnj4lKaezg
If you were not able to view the images, they are now here:
http://iceryder.blogspot.com/
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
hi Penny-i will past in the e-mail i got regarding the horses-i exchanged
several this is just the one as to why she got them:
We bought these horse's because the old owner was no longer able to care for
them. There were all quite thin so we have spent the last two months
getting them
sent e-mail with what i was told-it will prob pop up befor this one:)
Maggie
Wow, Galt is where I got Bibi. I did not know there were more Icey's
there. I am off today to see Mandy and ride Surtsey, my coming 5 year
old that she is working with. This is the third year she has worked
with her, groundwork for the first year, then she rode her last year
and she has been
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 07:47:15AM -, Susan Coombes wrote:
I have ridden Corrie a few times bareback. We did walk in a confined
space then in a half acre paddock. Even with my osteopenia I didn't
think it was a risk. I didn't even wear my body protector. We tried
trot a few times but
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 04:26:54AM -0800, Nancy Sturm wrote:
Would it be OK to be consistently inconsistent?
I had a trainer friend in the old days who used the consistantly
inconsistant method because she said when they went to shows, she couldn't
guarantee consistancy and they did
- Original Message -
From: Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [IceHorses] treats
I personally don't like the variation of clicker training that varies
giving of the reward for the correct behavior because of
- Original Message -
From: Ann Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I thought I should send the photo to be sure you all agree. I am not
too scanner literate so you get the whole page.
Ahh yes, the infamous riding double and lost my front guy seat.
Now, why oh why -- if the editors at the
On 25/03/2008, Renee Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looks like he is wearing a nice suit though. . . .
There you go...always something positive to say ;)
Wanda
(Have you been able to read the thread on ESI about sitting position?)
Um what is ESI?
That being said, it's good to read all of the different articles and
opinion, and establish a basis of information for your own use in
determining what's good and what's not good in your own mind and
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:45:31 -0500, you wrote:
i am constantly amazed at the lack of discussion of bareback riding
here, given this as a sample fact.
I rode my first Icelandic bareback for two years as I didn't have a
saddle which fitted him. Did my balance no end of good!
I enjoyed this
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:46:33 -0500, you wrote:
We started all our youngsters (all three of them) in bareback pads.
It's a nice way to feel their reactions to things.
It was really funny at the competition I was at over the weekend.
There's one little girl of 9 who has a big black Icelandic
Wish we had the choice of an
alternative group like FOSH is to the TWHBEA.
Kat
Hi Kat,
I think we'd be (are?) welcomed at FOSH events with our naturally-gaited
Icelandic horses. FOSH may have gotten started to protect
the TWH from abuse in the industry and offer an alternative showing
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:42:37 -, you wrote:
I have experienced Feldenkrais at RWYM clinic with Mary Wanless. I'm
in the UK.
Me too. I used to do a fair bit with Mary, and Trisha Abrahamson - do
you know her too?
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
Hello All,
Over the past few weeks, I have been working with Karen Borne and
Simone Mauhl of Borne Saddlery to talk about a custom saddle for
Blessi. Several owners of hard-to-fit mountain horses have gotten
these saddles and loved them. Karen gave me permission to share this
email from her
Why would anyone want to use this? or tie their horse's mouth shut?
Someone at the show was using a Leveler on a horse he had borrowed. I
asked him why - he replied oh, it's all I had in the lorry.
He couldn't possibly have borrowed something from someone else, then.
Mic
Mic (Michelle)
What would you do if you visited someone you have known very well for
many years, and found several horses so thin they are bordering on
emaciated (even though the person has plenty of feed, and plenty of
money), kept in an exposed field, with no shelter? Someone who claims
to be a natural horse
Mic,
Ugh.You're in a hard place. But the horses are in a harder one.
It would seem your friend has the correct answers for all your
questions. . . What if you pulled him/her out in the field and had the bare
evidence standing before you while you discussed things further?I
haha! Charm is like whoofff, like smoke but wet
janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
This brought tears to my eyes, I'm not kidding. I have been in this
circumstance with others a few times. It is so so hard. I have
always said something, in a kind way. I have understood sometimes,
they were taking bad vet advice or worried themselves, grasping at
straws trying to figure it
On 3/25/08, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:42:37 -, you wrote:
I have experienced Feldenkrais at RWYM clinic with Mary Wanless. I'm
in the UK.
Me too. I used to do a fair bit with Mary, and Trisha Abrahamson - do
you know her too?
Mic
Mic (Michelle)
But - people who keep their horses there say they have already tried to get
something done about the state of the owner's horses, and nothing has
happened. That those horses are not being fed anything extra, and don't
even get much haylage - and what they are fed is not good quality.
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Renee Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we'd be (are?) welcomed at FOSH events with our
naturally-gaited
Icelandic horses. FOSH may have gotten started to protect
the TWH from abuse in the industry and offer an alternative showing
venue
for
On 3/25/08, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would anyone want to use this? or tie their horse's mouth shut?
Someone at the show was using a Leveler on a horse he had borrowed. I
asked him why - he replied oh, it's all I had in the lorry.
He couldn't possibly have borrowed
what?
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
I have experienced Feldenkrais at RWYM clinic with Mary Wanless. I'm
in the UK.
Me too. I used to do a fair bit with Mary, and Trisha Abrahamson - do
you know her too?
No. I think I saw someone called Karin who had an exmoor pony. I was
rather over my head at the course as everyone
- Original Message -
From: blessiowner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Over the past few weeks, I have been working with Karen Borne and
Simone Mauhl of Borne Saddlery to talk about a custom saddle for
Blessi. . . . . In large part, the framework on the trees is too wide and
lays on the
ribcage of
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Mic Rushen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What would you do if you visited someone you have known very well for
many years, and found several horses so thin they are bordering on
emaciated (even though the person has plenty of feed, and plenty of
money), kept in an
In large part, the framework on the trees is too wide and lays on the
ribcage of the horse instead of the longissimus muscle that attaches
the ribcage to the spine.
Something is off in the translation here - this can't be what she means!
--
Laree in NC
Doppa Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:10:16 -0400, you wrote:
The only thing you can do is present the facts in straight
forward manner and try to stay calm no matter how they respond.
I did that, but the person concerned always had an answer and a
justification
I just emailed to ask how much for the
On 25/03/2008, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only thing you can do is present the facts in straight
forward manner and try to stay calm no matter how they respond.
I did that, but the person concerned always had an answer and a
justification
I just emailed to ask how much for
I personally don't like the variation of clicker training that varies
giving of the reward for the correct behavior because of this
sentiment.
Can you clarify? I'm not sure what you mean by varies the giving of the
reward.
as I understand it, there's a group or theory within clicker
If you're talking about a variable rate of reinforcement,
Thanks Cherie, I knew somebody out there would know what I was referring
to. . . I actually was thinking of you and wrote Trish's name instead!
(Although I think Trish clicker trains as well).
that is when once an animal knows a
--- Ann Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought I should send the photo to be sure you all
agree. I am not
too scanner literate so you get the whole page.
Thanks, Ann. I am going to e-mail him and ask him why
he is sitting where he is sitting. Hopefully, I will
come across ignorant and
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
horses speak louder than photographs.
Maybe that's because your pony is s grateful to
not be ridden by a cantle sitting, mouth yanking yahoo.
Susan in NV
http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness
Nevermore Ranch
--- Renee Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have always felt the sporadic treating method is
unfairly bending the rules as they've been established
with the horse,
I agree, Renee. A click promises a treat. Now I can
withhold the click, but never the treat once the click
has been made. That
--- Renee Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if the editors at the USIHC and
Gudmar himself knew and
recognized sitting on the loins of a horse is
incredibly poor equitation (to
put it mildly) -- would such a picture be selected
for this article
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the framework of the tree sits on the ribcage not the L.D. muscles
Sometime if the gullet(spine channel) is too wide or if the pitch width
of the panels is too broad you will have the inside edge of the panels
sitting out too far to the outside of the longissimus muscle group. If the
panel
It's very foggy today!
Neat pictures. It is supposed to be 90 here today.
I think summer is rushing a little too fast for me.
Lorraine
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
Someone at the show was using a Leveler on a horse he had borrowed. I
asked him why - he replied oh, it's all I had in the lorry. He
couldn't possibly have borrowed something from someone else, then.
OR... novel idea: ridden with no noseband at all.
Karen Thomas, NC
That's going to take some time. I just spoke to Carol Brett of balance
saddles. She may be able to come next week. I got more out of her in 5 mins
on the phone than out of my saddle fitter.
So, you just picked up the phone, called her and she's coming out to see
your horse? Lucky, lucky
Hi Mic
I had this experience last week when I went down to Reykjavik to ride with a
friend and it turned out that the horse I was gonna ride was in a thin
condition (brown gelding) and I pointed that out that this horse shouldn´t get
any thiner to just be able to build more mucles and so
I thought I should send the photo to be sure you all agree. I am not
too scanner literate so you get the whole page.
Oh, my, god. That issue is dated 2008?!?That is a horrible example of
non-equitation and non-horsemanship. That little boy ought to be taken out
behind the woodshed and
In large part, the framework on the trees is too wide and lays on the
ribcage of the horse instead of the longissimus muscle that attaches the
ribcage to the spine. This is causing a great deal of soreness and even (in
worse cases) bruising to the ribs themselves.
I believe the saddle company
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 03:06:16AM -, Stan Hirson, Sarah Jones wrote:
I did see it and had a good laugh over Janice's post because Karen's
take is quite accurate. Nada. I don't want to over-promote the
videos, but I was expecting much more of a reaction. A few people
commented on
This is totally OT..but does anyone on this list use Windows Vista
Excel? When I send a Vista Excell doucment to someone who has other
versions of Excel (Windows XP or 98) they can not read or open my
document file. HELP.
Raven
Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind
maybe they want the saddle so narrow that it doesnt go around the
horse at all, like wearing a little pill box hat on top of the
tabletop of the wide back.??
Janice--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
personally think that some models of the RP come closet to this
because they can change the spacing between the panels, the pitch of
the panels if memory serves me have different widths of panels
RP was the one saddle that I found to work with Huginn.
Raven
Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn
Maybe that's because your pony is s grateful to not be ridden by a
cantle sitting, mouth yanking yahoo.
HA! Come on, Susan, tell us, what do you REALLY think? :)
Karen Thomas, NC
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 06:28:51PM +, Mic Rushen wrote:
What would you do if you visited someone you have known very well for
many years, and found several horses so thin they are bordering on
emaciated (even though the person has plenty of feed, and plenty of
money), kept in an exposed
This weekend I I hung my car wash/waterfall using a shredded tarp -
pictures by tomorrow. I am constructing my bridge and getting the
tractor trailer tire to fill with dirt
Thanks for this report, Laree! It sounds like it's going to be a great
course!
Looking forward to pictures.
I
There is much to suggest that the tölt was only discovered in
Iceland by some priests who first wrote about it in the 1850's and prior
to
that the horses went in a pace to which they were confined by their rigid
wooden saddles.
Stan, where did you find this information?
Has anyone else
vision is to To promote all naturally gaited horse breeds in the
Pacific Northwest for pleasure or show; to provide support and
encouragement to gaited horse owners and enthusiasts; while
prohibiting artificial action devices, additional weight, or evidence
of soring. Because of the almost
Please print this and attach it to your computer:
Some Icelandic Horses survive the icelandic-style riding and training and
become what they are IN SPITE of the riding and training and not BECAUSE of
it.
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
I have taken a clinic from Gudmar and had some private lessons when visiting
his farm. When he is teaching he does not advocate sitting back on the
loins or placing the saddle back on the loins. However, what I have noticed
is
this seems to occur mostly when he is in the show ring or
he's a cantle-sitting mouth-yanking son-of-an-unspeakable. whatever.
Here are a few more pics to support that view...
http://gatesphotography.smugmug.com/gallery/2994467_nEYQe#162325739
http://gatesphotography.smugmug.com/gallery/2994467_nEYQe#162325829
Vicka you WROTE that article, hello, you havent seen the pic??
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
You've had some really neat training opportunities and experiences with so
many different animals in your life, haven't you?!?.Man -- killer
whales. . . I'm so envious! I can't imagine communing with such
intelligent, magnificent creatures and getting to work with them one-on-one.
When we
I think a friend may have bought one of those horses, any way she
bought an Icey from someone in Galt, a SC mare named Kuki. Nice
horse, she is a first cousin to our Dancer. She is going to be part
of a theraputic riding program.
Kat
When he is teaching he does not advocate sitting back on the loins or
placing the saddle back on the loins. However, what I have noticed is
this seems to occur mostly when he is in the show ring or taking a
horse for evaluations. He is being paid top dollar to make the horse
win or
What bothers me more is the way Icelandic horse evaluations are conducted.
You have these professional riders riding on the loins (see caption on
Gudmar picture) which beyond the poor equitation, ventroflexes the back
making the horse more apt to travel laterally (i.e. rack/tolt),
OK, here's a prime example of the problem areas that we have in the breed
with trainers.
We have an icelandic trainer telling people that the Icelandic Horse is
collected in tolt.
We have a novice horse owner / rider believing it.
And neither one has the knowledge of equine biomechanics,
Here's a couple of videos from the lake today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR2WIpSFmeU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wVMQgC7RrQ
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
I think a friend may have bought one of those horses, any way she
bought an Icey from someone in Galt, a SC mare named Kuki. Nice
horse, she is a first cousin to our Dancer. She is going to be part
of a theraputic riding program.
Is that a black and white pinto mare? Older; maybe
There is no collection in tolt. The frame of the horse in tolt is
diametrically opposed to collection.
Amen.
Nancy
Hi Ann
I didn't know that you had a horse over at Barbara's place. Please
give me a call/send an email - I'd love to come over there and meet up
with you (and Ferne? - does she ever make the trek with you?) I only
live about 45 minutes away.
penelope @ hughes . net
Penny
Don't feel bad -- it's just as bad if you send a Word document.
Vista uses a very different format from anything previous
I know...it's very frustrating!!
need to save the document (Save As option) as an earlier version
(Windows 98, perhaps), and send that to your friend
How do I do this?
I'm surprised you say a lot of people don't belong to the U.S.
Icelandic Horse Congress. They publish the Icelandic Horse Congress
Quarterly Magazine as a benefit of membership, they maintain the U.S.
Icelandic Registry, and they are the only U.S. Association allowed to
represent Icelandics
i will send aonther e-mail with pictures
Did we get the pictures? I didn't see them.
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
There is no collection in tolt. The frame of the
horse in tolt is
diametrically opposed to collection.
It just doesn't happen.
That is good to know. With my MFT it helped the
foxtrot to collect him. So I figured it was the same
for tolting.
Lorraine
Mic
Hard situation.
Seems they have the 'right' answers.however you could ask what is
their next step since what they have done is not working.
We had a 14 horse barn, wealthy clients, whose horses were
boney...all the time. We mentioned it every 6 weeks...we watched as
they fed those
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