Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-05-11 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2012-05-11 21:16, Randy Bush wrote: >>> i beg to differ. i have used the restrictive clause for years exactly >>> as fernando states. if the wg does not adopt, then i may take *my* >>> marbles and go home. >> Thanks for saying it so clearly. I choose to not do that as do many >> others. I al

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-05-11 Thread Randy Bush
>> i beg to differ. i have used the restrictive clause for years exactly >> as fernando states. if the wg does not adopt, then i may take *my* >> marbles and go home. > Thanks for saying it so clearly. I choose to not do that as do many > others. I allow my contributions to be used by others in

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-05-11 Thread Bob Hinden
Randy, >>> >> It is allowed and I don't want to start a big IPR thread here, but I >> think the intent for this clause (no derivative works) is for work >> that someone wants to present to a w.g. that was not intended to be an >> IETF work item. My opinion is that it's not appropriate for docume

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-05-10 Thread Randy Bush
i have scanned and support adoption of the draft as a wg item. >> My understanding is that this is perfectly compatible with the IETF >> standards process, as long as this restriction is removed before posting >> as draft-ietf (for instance, I guess that's why it's allowed in the >> first place).

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-05-10 Thread RJ Atkinson
Earlier, Bob Hinden wrote: > It is allowed and I don't want to start a big IPR thread here, > but I think the intent for this clause (no derivative works) > is for work that someone wants to present to a w.g. that > was not intended to be an IETF work item. My opinion is > that it's not appropriat

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-05-10 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Bob, On 05/10/2012 08:36 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >>> - The current draft is written to not allow the IETF to create >>> derivative works. This is incompatible with the IETF standards >>> process. See section 4 of >>> http://www.ietf.org/id-info/1id-guidelines.txt >> >> My understanding is that

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-05-10 Thread Bob Hinden
Fernando, On May 9, 2012, at 7:50 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: > Hi, Ole, > > On 05/08/2012 02:42 PM, Ole Trøan wrote: >> The discussion brought up some issues that we will work with the author to >> resolve, in particular: >> >> - The current draft is written to not allow the IETF to create deriva

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-05-09 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Ole, On 05/08/2012 02:42 PM, Ole Trøan wrote: > The discussion brought up some issues that we will work with the author to > resolve, in particular: > > - The current draft is written to not allow the IETF to create derivative > works. >This is incompatible with the IETF standards proce

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-05-08 Thread Ole Trøan
All, Based on the feedback received, the 6man chairs believe there is consensus for 6MAN to work on creating a new type of IPv6 interface identifiers, as described in draft-gont-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-01. The discussion brought up some issues that we will work with the author to resolve, i

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-21 Thread Fernando Gont
On 04/21/2012 06:10 AM, Mohacsi Janos wrote: >>> The client application >>> based on the policy should pick pivate or EUI-64 addresses. >> >> Just curious: Is there a specific use case for IEEE-derived addresses >> that cannot be satisfied with draft-gont-6man-stable-privacy-addresses? > > The exi

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-21 Thread Mohacsi Janos
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, Fernando Gont wrote: Hi, Mohacsi, On 04/20/2012 10:09 AM, Mohacsi Janos wrote: I support to have a semi stable private address. But very much against the idea of replacing EUI-64 addresses. You mean "against replacing addresses embedding IEEE identifiers"? yes.

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-20 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Mohacsi, On 04/20/2012 10:09 AM, Mohacsi Janos wrote: > I support to have a semi stable private address. But very much > against the idea of replacing EUI-64 addresses. You mean "against replacing addresses embedding IEEE identifiers"? > The client application > based on the policy shou

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-20 Thread Mohacsi Janos
Dear All, I support to have a semi stable private address. But very much against the idea of replacing EUI-64 addresses. The client application based on the policy should pick pivate or EUI-64 addresses. Note: - Nothing stops me to pick MAC addresses from no longer existing vendor e.g DEC I

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-20 Thread Dominik Elsbroek
Personally I support this draft. But would like to see stable privacy enhanced addresses as a replacement for IEEE-based addresses since they allow an attacker to infer to the vendor of a NIC. On OUIs of Apple Inc. they also allow conclusion to the operating system. Thus an attacker gets more info

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-19 Thread Fernando Gont
On 04/19/2012 10:34 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: >> It's not an argument against RFc4941, but rather an argument that even >> with RFC4941, you still need to do something about the IEEE-based IIDs. >> At the Paris IETF, some folks argued that if you have RFC 4941 in place, >> you don't need draft-gont-6ma

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-19 Thread Eliot Lear
On 4/18/12 5:43 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: > Hi, Eliot, > > On 04/18/2012 06:37 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: >>> On 04/13/2012 10:09 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: At one point you write that the intent is to replace EUI-64-based addresses (Section 5). >>> Exactly. > [Correcting myself] > > The intent

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-18 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Eliot, On 04/18/2012 06:37 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: >> On 04/13/2012 10:09 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: >>> At one point you write that the intent is to replace EUI-64-based >>> addresses (Section 5). >> Exactly. [Correcting myself] The intent is to have draft-gont-6man-stable-privacy-addresses used

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-18 Thread Eliot Lear
Dear Fernando, My apologies for the delayed response: On 4/13/12 2:31 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: > hI, Eliot, > > On 04/13/2012 10:09 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: >> At one point you write that the intent is to replace EUI-64-based >> addresses (Section 5). > Exactly. > > >> But that doesn't seem to jib

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-18 Thread Jong-Hyouk Lee
Dear all, I support this document to be an official working group document. IPv6 is being considered to be a protocol providing Internet access from vehicles. When we consider vehicular communications, location privacy becomes vital. The described mechanism "stable-privacy-addresses" would help f

Re: Feedback on draft-gont-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-01 (was: Re: Consensus call on adopting:....)

2012-04-14 Thread Fred Baker
Speaking for myself, I don't understand the fixation on MAC addresses. Yes, Ethernet and other IEEE standards are widely used. They are not used on serial links (we seem to mostly use /127 prefixes for that), they are not used on the air side of 3G etc, and so on. And as a matter of fact, for al

Re: Feedback on draft-gont-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-01 (was: Re: Consensus call on adopting:....)

2012-04-14 Thread Tim Chown
On 14 Apr 2012, at 01:36, Karl Auer wrote: > On Fri, 2012-04-13 at 15:29 +0200, Fernando Gont wrote: >> Additionally, I'd argue that in order to have such thing, then >> 1) You'd need to manually configure your address each time you move from >> one network to another (as with manual configuratio

Re: Feedback on draft-gont-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-01 (was: Re: Consensus call on adopting:....)

2012-04-13 Thread Karl Auer
On Sat, 2012-04-14 at 14:24 +0800, Washam Fan wrote: > So what is the next step if the autoconfiguration fails? static > configure? If yes. Will the next reboot try autoconfiguration again? > If yes, you may have non-stable addresses within the same network. If > no, when you move to another networ

Re: Feedback on draft-gont-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-01 (was: Re: Consensus call on adopting:....)

2012-04-13 Thread Washam Fan
Hi, >> > 5: Duplicate address detection is not mentioned explicitly, but probably >> > should be - what happens if a host does DAD and determines that its >> > stable address is already in use? >> >> Address configuration fails. > > That should be in the spec. > >> That said, if deemed appropriate

Re: Feedback on draft-gont-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-01 (was: Re: Consensus call on adopting:....)

2012-04-13 Thread Karl Auer
On Fri, 2012-04-13 at 15:29 +0200, Fernando Gont wrote: > "IPv6 implementations conforming to this specification MUST generate > interface identifiers using the algorithm specified in this section in > replacement of Modified EUI-64 format identifiers." > ? While that is good, it would be clearer

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-13 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Tim, Thanks so much for your feedback! Please find my comments inline... On 04/13/2012 12:37 PM, Tim Chown wrote: > Extensions. If I understand it correctly, essentially what you are > defining is randomised stable-per-prefix public interface > identifiers, Exactly. > On 3484bis, if stab

Feedback on draft-gont-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-01 (was: Re: Consensus call on adopting:....)

2012-04-13 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Karl, Thanks so much for your feedback! Please find my comments inline... ["Subject" changed so that this discussion doesn't mix up with the poll] On 04/13/2012 02:14 AM, Karl Auer wrote: > That said, I have some comments. My apologies if I have missed some > discussion where these were cov

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-13 Thread Fernando Gont
hI, Eliot, On 04/13/2012 10:09 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: > At one point you write that the intent is to replace EUI-64-based > addresses (Section 5). Exactly. > But that doesn't seem to jibe with what you > write in the intro about RFC-4941. Could you please cite the "conflicting" text? > I

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-13 Thread Tim Chown
On 13 Apr 2012, at 08:14, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 2012-04-12 22:28, Bob Hinden wrote: >> All, >> >> This is a consensus call on adopting: >> >>Title : A method for Generating Stable Privacy-Enhanced Addresses with >>IPv6 Sta

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-13 Thread Eliot Lear
A question for the draft author: At one point you write that the intent is to replace EUI-64-based addresses (Section 5). But that doesn't seem to jibe with what you write in the intro about RFC-4941. I am concerned that adopting this mechanism will make matters worse if this mechanism is being

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-13 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2012-04-12 22:28, Bob Hinden wrote: > All, > > This is a consensus call on adopting: > > Title : A method for Generating Stable Privacy-Enhanced Addresses with > IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC) > Author(s) : Fernando Gont &g

Re: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-12 Thread Karl Auer
On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 14:28 -0700, Bob Hinden wrote: > This is a consensus call on adopting: > > Title : A method for Generating Stable Privacy-Enhanced Addresses with > IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC) > Author(s) : Fernando Gont

RE: Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-12 Thread Manfredi, Albert E
, I'd be in favor of pursuing this. Bert -Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bob Hinden Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:29 PM To: IPv6 WG Mailing List Cc: 6man Chairs Subject: Consensus call on adopting: All, This is a cons

Consensus call on adopting:

2012-04-12 Thread Bob Hinden
All, This is a consensus call on adopting: Title : A method for Generating Stable Privacy-Enhanced Addresses with IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC) Author(s) : Fernando Gont Filename : draft-gont-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-01 Pages : 15

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hsingh-6man-enhance-dad

2012-03-12 Thread Brian Haberman
All, There is consensus to adopt this document as a 6MAN draft. The authors are instructed to post the next version as a 6MAN draft. Regards, Brian, Bob, & Ole On 2/24/12 8:21 AM, Brian Haberman wrote: All, This is a consensus call on adopting: Filename: draft-hsingh-6man-enhanced

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hsingh-6man-enhance-dad

2012-02-27 Thread Erik Nordmark
On 2/24/12 5:21 AM, Brian Haberman wrote: All, This is a consensus call on adopting: Filename: draft-hsingh-6man-enhanced-dad Revision: 04 Title: Enhanced Duplicate Address Detection as a 6MAN WG document. Statements of support or opposition should be sent to the mailing list. This last call

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hsingh-6man-enhance-dad

2012-02-25 Thread Randy Bush
i scanned draft-hsingh-6man-enhanced-dad-04.txt and it certainly looks like 6man fodder to me. i would have suggested v6ops until i got to section 3, which proposes protocol change. randy IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hsingh-6man-enhance-dad

2012-02-24 Thread Eli Dart
I support the adoption of draft-hsingh-6man-enhanced-dad as a 6MAN WG document. Thanks, --eli On 2/24/12 5:21 AM, Brian Haberman wrote: All, This is a consensus call on adopting: Filename: draft-hsingh-6man-enhanced-dad Revision: 04 Title: Enhanced Duplicate Address

Consensus call on adopting: draft-hsingh-6man-enhance-dad

2012-02-24 Thread Brian Haberman
All, This is a consensus call on adopting: Filename: draft-hsingh-6man-enhanced-dad Revision: 04 Title:Enhanced Duplicate Address Detection as a 6MAN WG document. Statements of support or opposition should be sent to the mailing list. This last call will end on March

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-carpenter-6man-uri-zoneid-01.txt

2012-02-16 Thread Brian Haberman
All, I saw strong support for adopting the draft as a WG document. The authors should post the next version of the document as 6man working group document. Regards, Brian On 2/8/12 2:51 PM, Brian Haberman wrote: All, This is a consensus call on adopting: Title : Representing IPv6

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-carpenter-6man-uri-zoneid-01.txt

2012-02-08 Thread Roger Jørgensen
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Brian Haberman wrote: > All, >     This is a consensus call on adopting: > >     Title     : Representing IPv6 Zone Identifiers in >                 Uniform Resource Identifiers >     Author(s) : Brian Carpenter >                 Robert M.

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-carpenter-6man-uri-zoneid-01.txt

2012-02-08 Thread Tim Chown
Adopt. On 8 Feb 2012, at 20:07, Kerry Lynn wrote: > Aye, -K- > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Brian Haberman > wrote: >> All, >> This is a consensus call on adopting: >> >> Title : Representing IPv6 Zone Identifiers in >>

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-carpenter-6man-uri-zoneid-01.txt

2012-02-08 Thread Kerry Lynn
Aye, -K- On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Brian Haberman wrote: > All, >     This is a consensus call on adopting: > >     Title     : Representing IPv6 Zone Identifiers in >                 Uniform Resource Identifiers >     Author(s) : Brian Carpenter >            

Consensus call on adopting: draft-carpenter-6man-uri-zoneid-01.txt

2012-02-08 Thread Brian Haberman
All, This is a consensus call on adopting: Title : Representing IPv6 Zone Identifiers in Uniform Resource Identifiers Author(s) : Brian Carpenter Robert M. Hinden Filename : draft-carpenter-6man-uri-zoneid-01.txt Pages : 6

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments

2012-02-01 Thread Brian Haberman
All, On 1/16/12 3:23 PM, Brian Haberman wrote: > All, > This is a consensus call on adopting: > > Title : Processing of IPv6 "atomic" fragments > Author(s) : Fernando Gont > Filename : draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments-00.txt >

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments

2012-01-30 Thread Timothy Hartrick
Brian, I support this work. Tim Hartrick On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Brian Haberman wrote: > All, > This is a consensus call on adopting: > > Title : Processing of IPv6 "atomic" fragments > Author(s) : Fernando Gont > Filename :

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments

2012-01-30 Thread Tore Anderson
* Brian Haberman > This is a consensus call on adopting: > > Title : Processing of IPv6 "atomic" fragments > Author(s) : Fernando Gont > Filename : draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments-00.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 20

Re: Reassembly of atomic fragments (was: Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments)

2012-01-27 Thread Arturo Servin
Thanks. It is clear now. .as On 26 Jan 2012, at 12:00, Fernando Gont wrote: > [Subject changed so that this doesn't "mix" with the poll] > > Hi, Arturo, > > On 01/26/2012 09:59 AM, Arturo Servin wrote: >> When you say "Namely, they try to perform IPv6 reassembly with the >> "atomic fr

Reassembly of atomic fragments (was: Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments)

2012-01-26 Thread Fernando Gont
[Subject changed so that this doesn't "mix" with the poll] Hi, Arturo, On 01/26/2012 09:59 AM, Arturo Servin wrote: > When you say "Namely, they try to perform IPv6 reassembly with the > "atomic fragment" and any other fragments already queued with the > same set {IPv6 Source Address, IPv6 Destin

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments

2012-01-26 Thread Arturo Servin
estination (i.e., a packet that undergoes translation from IPv6 to IPv4) …" I wonder if there is any negative implication for IPv4/IPv6 translators if atomic fragments are forbidden as proposed. Regards, .as On 16 Jan 2012, at 18:23, Brian Haberman wrote: > All, >

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments

2012-01-25 Thread Tina TSOU
+1 Sent from my iPad On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:14 AM, "RJ Atkinson" wrote: > > I support adopting this as a WG document. > > Ran > > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.

Consensus call on adopting: draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments

2012-01-25 Thread RJ Atkinson
I support adopting this as a WG document. Ran IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 --

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments

2012-01-25 Thread Simon Perreault
On 2012-01-16 15:23, Brian Haberman wrote: This is a consensus call on adopting: Title : Processing of IPv6 "atomic" fragments Author(s) : Fernando Gont Filename : draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2011-1

Consensus call on adopting: draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments

2012-01-16 Thread Brian Haberman
All, This is a consensus call on adopting: Title : Processing of IPv6 "atomic" fragments Author(s) : Fernando Gont Filename : draft-gont-6man-ipv6-atomic-fragments-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2011-12-15 as a 6MAN working group document. Please

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-lynn-6man-6lobac

2012-01-04 Thread Brian Haberman
All, Sorry for the delay... The consensus of the WG is to adopt this draft. I will instruct the authors to publish the next version as a 6MAN WG draft. Regards, Brian On 10/11/11 1:05 PM, Brian Haberman wrote: > All, > This is a consensus call on adopting: > >

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-george-6man-3627-historic

2011-11-04 Thread Brian Haberman
All, Any dissenting opinions on the adoption of this draft? Regards, Brian On 10/11/11 1:05 PM, Brian Haberman wrote: > All, > This is a consensus call on adopting: > > Title : RFC3627 to Historic status > Author(s) : Wesley George > Filename :

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-george-6man-3627-historic

2011-10-24 Thread Kerry Lynn
I support adoption of this draft as a 6MAN WG document. -K- On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Brian Haberman wrote: > All, > This is a consensus call on adopting: > > Title : RFC3627 to Historic status > Author(s) : Wesley George > Filename : draft-george-

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-lynn-6man-6lobac

2011-10-18 Thread Ralph Droms
alf Of > George, Wes > Sent: mardi 11 octobre 2011 21:34 > To: Brian Haberman; IPv6 WG Mailing List > Subject: RE: Consensus call on adopting: draft-lynn-6man-6lobac > > Support adoption > > Thanks, > > Wes > > >> -Original Message- >>

RE: Consensus call on adopting: draft-lynn-6man-6lobac

2011-10-18 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
+1 Cheers, Pascal -Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of George, Wes Sent: mardi 11 octobre 2011 21:34 To: Brian Haberman; IPv6 WG Mailing List Subject: RE: Consensus call on adopting: draft-lynn-6man-6lobac Support adoption Thanks

RE: Consensus call on adopting: draft-lynn-6man-6lobac

2011-10-11 Thread George, Wes
Support adoption Thanks, Wes > -Original Message- > From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Brian Haberman > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM > To: IPv6 WG Mailing List > Subject: Consensus call on adopting: draft-lynn-6

RE: Consensus call on adopting: draft-george-6man-3627-historic

2011-10-11 Thread Hemant Singh (shemant)
I support adopting this document. Thanks, Hemant -Original Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Haberman Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: IPv6 WG Mailing List Subject: Consensus call on adopting: draft-george-6man-3627

Consensus call on adopting: draft-lynn-6man-6lobac

2011-10-11 Thread Brian Haberman
All, This is a consensus call on adopting: Title : Transmission of IPv6 over MS/TP Networks Author(s) : Kerry Lynn Jerry Martocci Carl Neilson Stuart Donaldson Filename : draft-lynn-6man-6lobac-02.txt Pages : 14

Consensus call on adopting: draft-george-6man-3627-historic

2011-10-11 Thread Brian Haberman
All, This is a consensus call on adopting: Title : RFC3627 to Historic status Author(s) : Wesley George Filename : draft-george-6man-3627-historic-01.txt Pages : 4 Date : 2011-10-10 as a 6MAN working group document. Please state your opinion, positive

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hartmann-6man-addressnaming

2011-06-24 Thread Brian Haberman
All, Sorry for the delay in posting this, but there is no consensus to adopt this draft as a 6MAN document. Regards, Brian On 5/18/11 1:44 PM, Brian Haberman wrote: > All, > This starts a 2-week consensus call on adopting: > > Title : Naming IPv6 address parts &g

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hartmann-6man-addressnaming

2011-05-22 Thread Yu Hua bing
I do not support this draft too. -- From: "Christian Huitema" Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 12:03 PM To: "Brian Haberman" ; "IPv6 WG Mailing List" Subject: RE: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hartmann-6man-addressn

RE: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hartmann-6man-addressnaming

2011-05-21 Thread Christian Huitema
> This starts a 2-week consensus call on adopting ... > draft-hartmann-6man-addresspartnaming-01.txt > as a 6MAN WG document. Please state your opinion (either for or > against) on making this draft a WG draft either on the mailing list or to the > chairs. This call will end

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hartmann-6man-addressnaming

2011-05-20 Thread Randy Bush
>> This starts a 2-week consensus call on adopting: >> Title : Naming IPv6 address parts >> Author(s) : L. Donnerhacke, et al. >> Filename : draft-hartmann-6man-addresspartnaming-01.txt to be my usual tactful self, i find this an embarrassment.

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hartmann-6man-addressnaming

2011-05-18 Thread Scott Schmit
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 01:44:34PM -0400, Brian Haberman wrote ipv6: > All, > This starts a 2-week consensus call on adopting: > > Title : Naming IPv6 address parts > Author(s) : L. Donnerhacke, et al. > Filename : draft-hartmann-6man-addresspartnaming-

Re: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hartmann-6man-addressnaming

2011-05-18 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Brian Carpenter On 2011-05-19 05:44, Brian Haberman wrote: > All, > This starts a 2-week consensus call on adopting: > > Title : Naming IPv6 address parts > Author(s) : L. Donnerhacke, et al. > Filename : draft-hartmann-6man-addresspartnaming-01.txt >

RE: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hartmann-6man-addressnaming

2011-05-18 Thread George, Wes E [NTK]
l Message- From: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Haberman Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:45 PM To: IPv6 WG Mailing List Subject: Consensus call on adopting: draft-hartmann-6man-addressnaming All, This starts a 2-week consensus call on adopting:

Consensus call on adopting: draft-hartmann-6man-addressnaming

2011-05-18 Thread Brian Haberman
All, This starts a 2-week consensus call on adopting: Title : Naming IPv6 address parts Author(s) : L. Donnerhacke, et al. Filename : draft-hartmann-6man-addresspartnaming-01.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2011-05-06 as a 6MAN WG document. Please state your

RE: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-29 Thread Alan Kavanagh
@ietf.org; Suresh Krishnan Subject: Re: Consensus call on adopting On 29 October 2010 14:09, Alan Kavanagh mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com>> wrote: Yes I fully agree Olaf and as David has also noted these N:1 VLAN deployment models exist in a lot of places and are not disappearing. It

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-29 Thread Wojciech Dec
o: otr...@employees.org; David Allan I > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; br...@innovationslab.net; bob.hin...@gmail.com; Suresh > Krishnan > Subject: AW: Consensus call on adopting > > > I appreciate the decision of the WG chairs to accept the I-D as v6ops > working item since it reflects

RE: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-29 Thread Alan Kavanagh
onslab.net; bob.hin...@gmail.com; Suresh Krishnan Subject: AW: Consensus call on adopting I appreciate the decision of the WG chairs to accept the I-D as v6ops working item since it reflects the majority of the raised opinions and acknowledges the need for a solution to make IPv6 happen in a ve

AW: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-29 Thread Olaf.Bonness
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] Im > Auftrag von Ole Troan > Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Oktober 2010 10:33 > An: David Allan I > Cc: Bob Hinden; Brian Haberman; IPv6 WG Mailing List; Suresh Krishnan > Betreff:

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-29 Thread Wojciech Dec
Hinden wrote: > > > Correction: The consensus call will end on October 28, 2010. > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Bob Hinden > wrote: > >> 6MAN WG, > >> > >> This is a consensus call on a

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-29 Thread Ole Troan
David, good point indeed. perhaps it is time for the IETF to acknowledge the fact that these link types are common and to take a more architectural and wide approach to solving and adapting its protocols to this subnet model. I'm concerned that we are standardising point solutions without unde

RE: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-28 Thread David Allan I
A quick comment on the soapbox statement... : I'm biased against this subnet model (N:1)... recreating PPP functionality over Ethernet, trying to create user isolation on a shared IPv6 link, which after all IPv6 protocols are not designed for. I appreciate the IETF has been kind of blind to thi

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-28 Thread Bob Hinden
feedback on this work. Regards, Bob & Brian On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:01 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Correction: The consensus call will end on October 28, 2010. > > Bob > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >> 6MAN WG, >> >> This is a

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-28 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Ole, Thanks for your comments. On 10-10-28 05:45 AM, Ole Troan wrote: Comments/Questions: 1) N:1 deployment model. reference 5517, 3069, 4562 perhaps OK. Will do. 2) I don't think the deployment model, i.e where you are using a single link that you are trying to create some level o

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-28 Thread Ole Troan
Comments/Questions: 1) N:1 deployment model. reference 5517, 3069, 4562 perhaps 2) I don't think the deployment model, i.e where you are using a single link that you are trying to create some level of 'subscriber isolation on, and require "routing (e.g. on line-ids" in a middlebox, is restric

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-27 Thread Wojciech Dec
Hi Suresh, All, the initial requirements/constrains were not clear, and as they begun to come to the surface after the solution was first proposed, the morphing of the solution appears to have begun affecting some of the requirements to fit the needs of the solution. Technically, the mechanism de

RE: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-27 Thread Balázs Varga A
ist; Brian Haberman; Bob Hinden Subject: Re: Consensus call on adopting Hi Woj, On 10-10-26 10:27 AM, Wojciech Dec wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to state that I am very much not in favour of the WG > adopting this document, due to a number of reasons presented below. >

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-26 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Woj, On 10-10-26 10:27 AM, Wojciech Dec wrote: Hello, I would like to state that I am very much not in favour of the WG adopting this document, due to a number of reasons presented below. 1. Requirements and architecture These were never clear to start with, and the requirements/context

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-26 Thread Wojciech Dec
ived IPinIP tunneling solution instead of just using what is already there. This point probably also comes down to "requirements", and it would appear that the draft's driving, and unstated requirement is a "MUST not use DHCPv6" without giving cause. Thanks, Wojtek. On

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-25 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Mon, 25 Oct 2010 08:30:37 -0700 you wrote: >Philip Homburg wrote: >> This implies that the end-device has to be able to match RS messages >> using timestamp, i.e. its clock has to be sufficiantly accurate (to withi= >n >> 5 minutes, according to the SEND RFC) to do that or (in

RE: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-25 Thread Laganier, Julien
Philip Homburg wrote: > > In your letter dated Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:25:45 -0700 you wrote: > >Philip Homburg wrote: > >> In your letter dated Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:05:42 -0400 you wrote: > >> I wonder what to make of that. If the SEND protected RS messages can > >> be replaced with AN-initiated (unpr

AW: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-25 Thread Olaf.Bonness
ist > Cc: Brian Haberman; Bob Hinden > Betreff: Re: Consensus call on adopting > > > Correction: The consensus call will end on October 28, 2010. > > Bob > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Bob Hinden > wrote: > > 6MAN WG, > > > &

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-23 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:25:45 -0700 you wrote: >Philip Homburg wrote: >> In your letter dated Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:05:42 -0400 you wrote: >> I wonder what to make of that. If the SEND protected RS messages can be >> replaced with AN-initiated (unprotected) RS messages, then what pur

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-22 Thread Ed Jankiewicz
Yes. There is certainly sufficient interest in the WG on this topic. On 10/21/2010 2:46 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: 6MAN WG, This is a consensus call on adopting: Title : Line identification in IPv6 Router Solicitation messages Author(s) : S. Krishnan, et al

RE: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-22 Thread Laganier, Julien
Philip Homburg wrote: > > In your letter dated Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:05:42 -0400 you wrote: > >On 10-10-22 11:01 AM, Philip Homburg wrote: > >> Then I guess the obvious next question is how this interacts with > >> SEND if the original 3 RS messages are lost. > > > >The AN-initiated RSs in this case

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-22 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:05:42 -0400 you wrote: >On 10-10-22 11:01 AM, Philip Homburg wrote: >> Then I guess the obvious next question is how this interacts with SEND if >> the original 3 RS messages are lost. > >The AN-initiated RSs in this case will not be SEND protected RSs (sin

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-22 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Philip, On 10-10-22 11:01 AM, Philip Homburg wrote: In your letter dated Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:45:57 -0400 you wrote: But now I'm a bit confused. Given that the AN now has to ability to originat e RS messages, why is it forwarding the end-device' RS at all? Is that only to support SEND? Exac

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-22 Thread Bob Hinden
Correction: The consensus call will end on October 28, 2010. Bob On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > 6MAN WG, > > This is a consensus call on adopting: > >    Title     : Line identification in IPv6 Router Solicitation >                messages >    Au

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-22 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:45:57 -0400 you wrote: >> But now I'm a bit confused. Given that the AN now has to ability to originat >e >> RS messages, why is it forwarding the end-device' RS at all? Is that only to >> support SEND? > >Exactly. The ability to send host-initiated RSs thro

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-22 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Philip, On 10-10-22 10:25 AM, Philip Homburg wrote: In your letter dated Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:08:15 -0400 you wrote: On 10-10-22 10:06 AM, Philip Homburg wrote: Maybe this draft should say something about what happens if the 3 router solicitations sent by the host are lost. Certainly. We hav

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-22 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:08:15 -0400 you wrote: >On 10-10-22 10:06 AM, Philip Homburg wrote: >> Maybe this draft should say something about what happens if the 3 router >> solicitations sent by the host are lost. > >Certainly. We have added Section 5.3 to version -08 of the draft t

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-22 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Philip, On 10-10-22 10:06 AM, Philip Homburg wrote: Maybe this draft should say something about what happens if the 3 router solicitations sent by the host are lost. Certainly. We have added Section 5.3 to version -08 of the draft to account for the case where the host-initiated RSs are lo

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-22 Thread Philip Homburg
Maybe this draft should say something about what happens if the 3 router solicitations sent by the host are lost. IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-22 Thread Randy Bush
> I think the title should be changed to something like "Line > Identification Destination Option" as it is proposing to create a new > destination option and uses tunneling. In other words, it is no > longer adding line identification to RS messages. makes sense. but should not be a prereq for

Re: Consensus call on adopting

2010-10-21 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
- Original Message > From: Bob Hinden > To: IPv6 WG Mailing List > Cc: Bob Hinden > Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 1:56:00 PM > Subject: Re: Consensus call on adopting > > One personal comment, > > I think the title should be changed to something

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