Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-07-31 Thread Xuo Guoto via ipv6-wg
Thanks every one for suggestions. I found one more resource which is more in tune with what I was looking for: https://blog.apnic.net/2023/04/04/ipv6-architecture-and-subnetting-guide-for-network-engineers-and-operators/ X. Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email. --- Orig

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-07-31 Thread Fearghas Mckay
On 31 Jul 2023 at 11:19:29, Sander Steffann wrote: > See if you can find a friendly local person in your local Network > Operators Group (NOG) to help you a bit. NOGs are a great place for those > looking to learn. And otherwise feel free to contact me off-list. I’ll > happily get you started. >

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-07-31 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, > We are not using IGP as of now, its a small NOC with a couple of devices. I would strongly suggest using an IGP (probably OSPF) even in a small setup. It will allow you much greater flexibility and redundancy with very little effort. See if you can find a friendly local person in your lo

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-07-31 Thread Xuo Guoto via ipv6-wg
Thanks for your input Michael. The vagueness of the problem description reflects my own confusion. We are not using IGP as of now, its a small NOC with a couple of devices. --- Original Message --- On Monday, July 31st, 2023 at 12:38 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > Each router need

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-07-30 Thread Michael Richardson
Xuo Guoto via ipv6-wg wrote: > 1. How will we assign address to routers? Like will we should be > assigning 2001:db8:2000::1/35 or 2001:db8:2000::1/64 for router No. Each router needs a /128 as a loopback address to use. I assign them all from a single /64 for that purpose. The /128s go

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-07-30 Thread Xuo Guoto via ipv6-wg
Hello all, Resurrecting an old thread to share some experience when trying to start deploying ipv6 on a small London based ISP. As a start we are deploying in a test location which is setup as a "site". We have a /29 allocated and that's been divided into /32 for each site. Which is again div

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-14 Thread Paolo Volpato via ipv6-wg
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2023 4:20 PM To: Paolo Volpato Cc: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises Hi Paolo, thanks for your help with this project. Lack of budget is of course a problem. But if the IT departments could at least quantify the budget, this would help

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-13 Thread Aleksi Suhonen
Hi, On 6/1/23 17:21, Wilhelm Boeddinghaus wrote: Hi Andreas, if the government starts shutting down services with IPv4, the pressure for IPv6 will rise :-) There are no laws needed. Many countries have some sort of equal access laws, that could be used to prevent shutting down IPv4 services.

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-04 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Sun, Jun 04, 2023 at 08:16:58PM +, Jordan A. Borgner wrote: > What's very important too is to get the application developers on board. > Advances in the software that uses the network (and gives it its reason > to exist) is a crucial factor I think. If there are technical benefits > tha

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-04 Thread Jordan A. Borgner
On 6/3/23 12:33, Gert Doering wrote: > So, what else can we do? At the end a number of factors that make up the big picture must play together to roll that stone up the hill, and all of them influence one another, at least a bit. Compatibility to other networks, amount of work to maintain the own

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-04 Thread Robin Flikkema via ipv6-wg
he editing of RFC 9386 on IPv6 deployment status. I would be happy to contribute to this effort. Best regards Paolo -Original Message- From: ipv6-wg On Behalf Of Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 6:06 PM To: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprise

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-03 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 07:53:48PM +, Ole Troan (otroan) wrote: > Thought experiment. > IPv6 wasn?t invented. > Would we be able to make IPv4 continue to roll down the hill for another 25 > years? Whether there's 3 or 4 layers of NAT won't matter much... everything that is not TCP or UDP

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-03 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 07:00:48PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: > Gert Doering wrote on 03/06/2023 13:33: > > So how do we get there? > > We got where we are now because there are compelling reasons to deploy > ipv4, but not compelling reasons to deploy ipv6. On "the wild Internet", I agre

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-03 Thread Nick Hilliard
Gert Doering wrote on 03/06/2023 13:33: So how do we get there? We got where we are now because there are compelling reasons to deploy ipv4, but not compelling reasons to deploy ipv6. IPv4 is the stone that rolled down the hill; ipv6 is the stone that, 25 years later, people are still tryin

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-03 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 11:15:51PM +, Jordan A. Borgner wrote: > Companies just need to _feel_ that IPv4 isn't going to get them very far > anymore and that it's better to prepare for the future now because its > better to have options rather than to need them when the time has come. So h

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-02 Thread Jordan A. Borgner
On 6/1/23 15:06, Nick Hilliard wrote: > Which government service would you suggest shutting down on ipv4? I can't imagine any government to require anyone to support IPv6, one particular protocol, explicitly, and even less to require anyone to shut down still-working IPv4. If you can't even convin

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-01 Thread Nick Hilliard
Benedikt Merkl via ipv6-wg wrote on 01/06/2023 15:25: The government still relies on their Fax machines, so not sure if that is going to happen soon. But you have my support on shutting v4 services. :) Which government service would you suggest shutting down on ipv4? The online tax submission

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-01 Thread Dan Oachs
chafterin: ALDI International Services & > Administration SE, Mülheim an der Ruhr ∙ Registergericht: Amtsgericht > Duisburg · HRB 34355 > > Geschäftsführende Direktoren: Dr. David Godschalk, Daniel Koch, Reiner > Mischke, Inka Rückle > > Weitere Gesellschafter: ALDI SE & C

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-01 Thread Benedikt Merkl via ipv6-wg
& >> Administration SE, Mülheim an der Ruhr ∙ Registergericht: Amtsgericht >> Duisburg · HRB 34355 >> >> Geschäftsführende Direktoren: Dr. David Godschalk, Daniel Koch, Reiner >> Mischke, Inka Rückle >> >> Weitere Gesellschafter: ALDI SE & Co. Komm

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-01 Thread Wilhelm Boeddinghaus
o. Kommanditgesellschaften der Unternehmensgruppe ALDI SÜD -Original Message- From: ipv6-wg On Behalf Of Paolo Volpato via ipv6-wg Sent: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 08:42 To: Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Cc: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises Caution: This email orig

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-01 Thread Wilhelm Boeddinghaus
ld be happy to contribute to this effort. Best regards Paolo -Original Message- From: ipv6-wg On Behalf Of Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 6:06 PM To: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises Hi, at the end of my talk during the RIPE86 IPv6 wo

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-06-01 Thread Yannis Nikolopoulos
On 5/30/23 19:06, Wilhelm Boeddinghaus wrote: They have no time and they lack knowledge Well, they seem to have the time to learn about and invest in complicated and outdated NAT solutions in order to stretch what little IPv4 they have. Let's produce some IPv6-only (with some proper transiti

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-05-31 Thread Alexander Koeppe via ipv6-wg
Hi > The civil servants were concerned that adding an IPv6 requirement would > further reduce competition and make managing cost more difficult. And this is - in my opinion - just a reflection of the typical counter-argument coming from these IT consultants being reluctant getting their hands

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-05-31 Thread Leo Vegoda
Hi, On Tue, 30 May 2023 at 23:52, Springob, Andreas (IIT-CSS/Network & Identity Solutions) wrote: > > Hi Wilhelm, > > Lot of things were said and all are correct. Lack of knowledge, budget, > priority, interest, projects, success. It might be rather an approach for > RIPE and other RIRs to get

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-05-30 Thread Springob, Andreas (IIT-CSS/Network & Identity Solutions)
nt: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 08:42 To: Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Cc: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises Caution: This email originated from outside of the ALDI-HOFER organisation. If the content looks suspicious, please report this email via the "Phish Alert

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-05-30 Thread Paolo Volpato via ipv6-wg
ffort. Best regards Paolo -Original Message- From: ipv6-wg On Behalf Of Wilhelm Boeddinghaus Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 6:06 PM To: ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises Hi, at the end of my talk during the RIPE86 IPv6 working group I promised to start work

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-05-30 Thread Alexander Koeppe via ipv6-wg
Hi Wilhelm Me being a network engineer in an enterprise and an IPv6 enthusiast can say, that it even fails within the IT. Many IT workers, from server administrators over network consultants to application / solution designers still ignore IPv6 as an avoidable burden. Every time I talk vendor f

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-05-30 Thread Torbjörn Eklöv via ipv6-wg
On 30 May 2023, at 18:50, Michael Richardson wrote: Wilhelm Boeddinghaus wrote: We have often wondere why enterprises do not migrate to IPv6. One possible answer is: They have no time and they lack knowledge. Many IT departments don't have any spare time for reading RFCs. They have no manage

Re: [ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-05-30 Thread Michael Richardson
Wilhelm Boeddinghaus wrote: > We have often wondere why enterprises do not migrate to IPv6. One > possible answer is: They have no time and they lack knowledge. Many IT > departments don't have any spare time for reading RFCs. They have no management mandate on spending their time on

[ipv6-wg] Clear Guidance for Enterprises

2023-05-30 Thread Wilhelm Boeddinghaus
Hi, at the end of my talk during the RIPE86 IPv6 working group I promised to start work on a paper with clear guidance for enterprises to migrate their networks to IPv6. We have often wondere why enterprises do not migrate to IPv6. One possible answer is: They have no time and they lack know