George Birbilis wrote:
RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net
If you target .NET you have much of that stuff ready (for that target
at least), e.g. .NET Compact Framework for WinCE/PocketPC
i used to prototype and compare both vs and fpc for ppc progs.
and there was no doubt, even u
On 31/10/06, George Birbilis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers
> what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on
> Microsoft.
Because there will be no more Win32 API use from Microsoft in the future.
Don't count on that! Mos
On 31/10/06, George Birbilis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not a Java fan, but I have a say about this:
>
> Java is one language, many platforms.
Java is one language (there had been efforts to make other compilers produce
Java bytecode, esp. C/C++ but Sun wasn't very happy about it in the pa
On 31/10/06, George Birbilis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Exactly! Not to mention that Microsoft's .NET is not cross-platform.
> Yes, Mono is trying to make it cross-platform, but they are
> forever going to play the catch-up game! Microsoft will keep
> dictating .NET and forever break Mono. A
On 10/31/06, johnf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If writting a wrapper was easy why haven't we got a completed QT interface?
Wrapper means a interface to access Qt on Free Pascal software. And
it´s complete, working on 4 platforms (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, Linux
based PDAs).
See here for more in
On 10/30/06, George Birbilis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Because there will be no more Win32 API use from Microsoft in the future.
This is pure speculation. This is not the case on Vista, and I don´t
think we should waste time trying to imagine what Microsoft will do
after the next release.
Thi
> - What .NET version to target?
Any version. Visual Studio.net can do similarly (you select the target .NET
framework dependency [can be set to "all" or to a specific .NET framework
version] - VS.net can also compile to target mono, see RemObjects.com's
Chrome for article on how to do that).
Als
Title: RE: [lazarus] Lazarus and DOT Net
> > Since there's VCL.net port from Borland, Lazarus could also support
> > .NET and do similar port of its GUI libs in the future.
>
> You got it all backwards. Exactly because there is VCL.NET and also
> Chrome is that we definetively don't need a Fr
> > 3. ASP.NET ties you to the Windows IIS server. Apache is still the
> > most used webserver, PHP the most used web scripting language.
Nope, ASP.net runs on Apache too (even without using mono, but classic .NET
runtime)
http://weblogs.asp.net/israelio/archive/2005/09/11/424852.aspx
http://www.
> Exactly! Not to mention that Microsoft's .NET is not cross-platform.
> Yes, Mono is trying to make it cross-platform, but they are
> forever going to play the catch-up game! Microsoft will keep
> dictating .NET and forever break Mono. And what happens when
> Avalon (I think that is what it is
> 1. Uniform database access was available through ODBC already.
> ODBC was and is an accepted standard. .NET data access is
> necessarily slower and more cumbersome.
If ODBC was good, then why did Borland give for years its own database
connectors? A reason DB people were using Delphi was for the
On Monday 30 October 2006 10:58, Florian Klaempfl wrote:
> johnf schrieb:
> >> Python is nice OOP language
> >>
> >> Can you name apps? Afaik it is mostly used for a bit of in application
> >> scripting and some webapps. But is it really a Delphi replacement? I
> >> doubt it. What does it use for G
> I'm not a Java fan, but I have a say about this:
>
> Java is one language, many platforms.
Java is one language (there had been efforts to make other compilers produce
Java bytecode, esp. C/C++ but Sun wasn't very happy about it in the past
[only in recent years they started being less arrogant
> I think plugin development systems on a grand scale are way
> overrated. They are nice to compile feature lists to compare
> with other systems, but worse to work in. Keep in mind that
> the "I" of IDE means "integrated" not "Plug-in".
> Otherwise it would have been PDE :-)
JBuilder and Eclipse
> And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers
> what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on
> Microsoft.
Because there will be no more Win32 API use from Microsoft in the future.
See article (from some years ago) on Borland community website by
vice-president and
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 17:49 +0100, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
>
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Seth Grover wrote:
>
> > Before I dig in and spend a lot of time trying to figure out what's
> > going on here, I thought I'd save the legwork ask to see if someone
> > else has tried to do this.
> >
> > My qu
On 10/30/06, Howard Lee Harkness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I do not recognize the reference to .PAS -- is this part of the FPC or
Lazarus? If it's not, it needs a more 'searchable' name.
It was a joke.
He was demonstrating how one can suddently use something that already
existed to create a h
I do not recognize the reference to .PAS -- is this part of the FPC or Lazarus? If it's not, it needs a more 'searchable' name.
On 10/30/06, Mattias Gaertner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:57:57 +0100 (CET)Michael Van Canneyt <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Ce
Since there's VCL.net port from Borland, Lazarus could also support .NET and
do similar port of its GUI libs in the future.
You got it all backwards. Exactly because there is VCL.NET and also
Chrome is that we definetively don't need a Free Pascal port to .NET,
after all Object Pascal users are
Hi Norman,
Checkout the TProcess class. It has all you need.
Darius
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From: "Norman S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:06 PM
Subject: [lazarus] Help for execution-of-an-extrenal-program needed
Hello Listmembers!
I need some help for exe
http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Executing_External_Programs
2006/10/30, Norman S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hello Listmembers!
I need some help for execution of an external program from a Lazarus-
Application.
I am programming a small application (for Linux and Win.) as an example for
other people
Hello Listmembers!
I need some help for execution of an external program from a Lazarus-
Application.
I am programming a small application (for Linux and Win.) as an example for
other people who wants to start programming with Lazarus. My aim is to show
other people how useful multiplatform pro
I know it has been said here and there already, but a great addition
to lazarus/fpc would be RAD web developpment.
Aka develop your website using pascal and let the
always-the-same-boring-ugly-hard-to-figure-out javascript code be made
automagically.
AFAIK, IntraWeb while very powerfull now only
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:57:57 +0100 (CET)
Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Cesar Romero wrote:
>
> >
> > > > And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers
> > > > what FPC can't do better without adding another dependency on
> > > > Microso
johnf schrieb:
Python is nice OOP language
Can you name apps? Afaik it is mostly used for a bit of in application
scripting and some webapps. But is it really a Delphi replacement? I doubt
it. What does it use for GUI btw?
I assume you are not kidding about the apps. IMHO smart (a package u
I'm not a Java fan, but I have a say about this:
Java is one language, many platforms.
.NET is many languages, one platform.
If we consider that Free Pascal is also "one language, many platforms"
and DOES NOT require a Virtual Machine, we are better served here.
2006/10/30, Marc Weustink <[EMAI
George Birbilis wrote:
If we could have Lazarus support many compilers via "plugin" packages, it
would be cool, cause one could create wrappers for both Chrome and Borland's
Object Pascal compilers for .NET
You more or less already can. Go to the compiler options, last tab.
Change the Compiler
Hy Graeme,
Could you mention what was wrong or missing in tiOPF to fulfill your
needs? What needs would that be? I'm always interesting in ideas that
can improve tiOPF.
I think that not wrong, just missing something at that time, I cant
remember right, it was more than 3 years ago, and after s
> Python is nice OOP language
>Can you name apps? Afaik it is mostly used for a bit of in application
>scripting and some webapps. But is it really a Delphi replacement? I doubt
>it. What does it use for GUI btw?
I assume you are not kidding about the apps. IMHO smart (a package updater
written
Am Montag, 30. Oktober 2006 18:13 schrieb Seth Grover:
> Interesting. You're right: when I take out all of the fancy stuff the
> demo is trying to do (list the databases, list the tables, list the
> fields, etc.) it seems I can execute queries just fine.
>
> I'll research further into the API on ho
Marco van de Voort wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:01:04PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote:
> > George Birbilis wrote:
> > > If we could have Lazarus support many compilers via "plugin" packages,
> > > it would be cool, cause one could create wrappers for both Chrome and
> > > Borland's Object Pascal com
On 30/10/06, Cesar Romero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Eg: When I start to write my OPF, tiOPF was there, stable and beautifull, but
doesnt matches with my needs at that moment.
Could you mention what was wrong or missing in tiOPF to fulfill your
needs? What needs would that be? I'm always int
Interesting. You're right: when I take out all of the fancy stuff the
demo is trying to do (list the databases, list the tables, list the
fields, etc.) it seems I can execute queries just fine.
I'll research further into the API on how to do the fancy listing
stuff without using the "fake" statem
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Seth Grover wrote:
> Before I dig in and spend a lot of time trying to figure out what's
> going on here, I thought I'd save the legwork ask to see if someone
> else has tried to do this.
>
> My question: will the TMySQL50Connection component work with a MySQL
> 5.1 (I thin
But where is the advantage ?
Use code done and well tested, yes is a advantage, maybe not for
you or me, but someone can have the right to think that is a advantage.
Eg: When I start to write my OPF, tiOPF was there, stable and beautifull, but
doesnt matches with my needs at that moment.
So
>
> The only two things Pascal really misses for me are think ability to
> natively link with C++, and keyword level associative arrays.
Did you have a look at unit contnrs? If that fails, have a look at decal (in
contribs SVN).
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On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:01:04PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote:
> George Birbilis wrote:
> > If we could have Lazarus support many compilers via "plugin" packages, it
> > would be cool, cause one could create wrappers for both Chrome and
> > Borland's Object Pascal compilers for .NET
>
> I love plug
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 04:57:57PM +0100, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
> 3. ASP.NET ties you to the Windows IIS server. Apache is still the most
> used webserver, PHP the most used web scripting language.
While true, at least IMHO the forms based ASP.NET 2.0 model (which is _very_
close to the VCL
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:15:07PM +0200, George Birbilis wrote:
> > Why is it that every body and anything got a Dot Net version?
>
> Cause .NET is a new and carefully designed OOP platform
As already said by others, the principles are not so new. Java of course,
but also UCSD and a lot other GC
Nah, the only language I ever loved was Pascal. I never cared for
anything that didn't compile to an executable of some sort. All of my
"scripts" are written in pascal rather than bash, Perl, or Python.
Consequentially, all of my scripts are lightening fast.
When there's a Linux version of visu
Before I dig in and spend a lot of time trying to figure out what's
going on here, I thought I'd save the legwork ask to see if someone
else has tried to do this.
My question: will the TMySQL50Connection component work with a MySQL
5.1 (I think I'm running the 5.1.11 beta) server?
I modified the
George Birbilis wrote:
> If we could have Lazarus support many compilers via "plugin" packages, it
> would be cool, cause one could create wrappers for both Chrome and
> Borland's Object Pascal compilers for .NET
I love plug-ins!
It's the only real thing missing in the IDE, and could make an
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Cesar Romero wrote:
>
> > > And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC
> > > can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft.
> >
> > Exactly! Not to mention that Microsoft's .NET is not cross-platform.
> > Yes, Mono is trying to ma
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
of skills, and on top I would know all these languages only superficially.
agreed 200%
and then RAD became RTTW (Rapid To The Wall) ;-)
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Cesar Romero schrieb:
And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC
can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft.
Exactly! Not to mention that Microsoft's .NET is not cross-platform.
Yes, Mono is trying to make it cross-platform, but they are forever
And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC
can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft.
Exactly! Not to mention that Microsoft's .NET is not cross-platform.
Yes, Mono is trying to make it cross-platform, but they are forever
going to play the catch
David Mears schrieb:
What are you talking about, think about all the speed, power and control
you can give up in exchange for lots of extra programming time!
Feel free to use VS and get a happy hyper :)
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> And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC
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On 30/10/06, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what FPC
can't do better without adding another dependency on Microsoft.
Exactly! Not to mention that Microsoft's .NET is not cross-platform.
Yes, Mono is trying to make it cros
George Birbilis schrieb:
Who says you have to learn a new language? Since Borland did it with
Delphi.net and provided Object Pascal compiler for .NET with not many
changes to Object Pascal language, then FreePascal can also do it.
And why should we do so? I still don't see what .Net offers what
If we could have Lazarus support many compilers via "plugin" packages, it
would be cool, cause one could create wrappers for both Chrome and Borland's
Object Pascal compilers for .NET
> -Original Message-
> From: George Birbilis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:
> > > My colleagues in other departments like Physics and Math
> regret they
> > > dint go the CS route. But I regret I dint stick to Physics or
> > > Mathematics. In these an Equation is always an equation. We dont
> > > have another company coming up and throwing away an
> equation for a
> > > n
Hi,
I have developed new visual component for Lazarus: TColorPalette.
Shortly, it is a color palette grid with ability to use custom palettes.
See wiki page for further info:
http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/ColorPalette.
Best regards,
Tom Gregorovic.
On 30/10/06, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Nonsense. I improve every day. I don't waste my time learning another
language. I do learn new exciting things every day, and I apply them
best and fastest using the language I know best: Object Pascal.
Learning a new programming languag
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, George Birbilis wrote:
> > Why is it that every body and anything got a Dot Net version?
>
> Cause .NET is a new and carefully designed OOP platform
That's what they want you to believe of course.
Reality is: Nothing new under the sun :)
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> > My colleagues in other
> Why is it that every body and anything got a Dot Net version?
Cause .NET is a new and carefully designed OOP platform
> Even Borland's got a dot net enabled Delphi coming it seems.
Delphi supports .NET since version 8 (version 7 had a preview .NET compiler
if I remember well - a command-line
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