Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-05-03 Thread Noam Preil
On Tue, 2017-04-25 at 18:47 +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:10:26AM -0600, Alan Feuerbacher wrote: > > > > Interesting points. Until recently I didn't concern myself with > > such speeds > > much, but used all default settings. I'm now retired and have time > > on my > > hand

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-28 Thread akhiezer
> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 07:32:00 +0100 > From: lf...@cruziero.com (akhiezer) > > > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 23:57:11 -0400 > > From: Michael Shell > > > > On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 00:29:00 +0100 > > Ken Moffat wrote: > > > > > Thanks to both of you for this thread - I had assumed that only > > > DataCe

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-28 Thread akhiezer
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 23:57:11 -0400 > From: Michael Shell > > On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 00:29:00 +0100 > Ken Moffat wrote: > > > Thanks to both of you for this thread - I had assumed that only > > DataCenter-grade products (as in "unaffordable") were nvme, and those > > (of course) have ridiculous

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-28 Thread Michael Shell
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 00:29:00 +0100 Ken Moffat wrote: > Thanks to both of you for this thread - I had assumed that only > DataCenter-grade products (as in "unaffordable") were nvme, and those > (of course) have ridiculous prices. Bearing in mind that I haven't played with SSD's (yet), but lookin

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-28 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 09:41:34PM +1000, Wayne Blaszczyk wrote: > On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 21:37 +1200, Simon Geard wrote: > > On Tue, 2017-04-25 at 23:36 +1000, Wayne Blaszczyk wrote: > > > As mentioned in my previous email, I got a Sumsung 250GB SSD 960 EVO > > > M.2. Apparently the M.2 SSD drives

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-27 Thread Simon Geard
On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 21:41 +1000, Wayne Blaszczyk wrote: > Hmm, maybe I'm getting mixed up in what M.2 actual means. I though > M.2 was NVME. > BTW, before my new purchase, I never heard of M.2 or NVME. Its shows > how out of touch > I've been in regards to new hardware technology. It was the sale

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-26 Thread Wayne Blaszczyk
On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 21:37 +1200, Simon Geard wrote: > On Tue, 2017-04-25 at 23:36 +1000, Wayne Blaszczyk wrote: > > As mentioned in my previous email, I got a Sumsung 250GB SSD 960 EVO > > M.2. Apparently the M.2 SSD drives are much faster than the SATA SSD > > drives. > > FYI, the device shows u

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-26 Thread Simon Geard
On Tue, 2017-04-25 at 23:36 +1000, Wayne Blaszczyk wrote: > As mentioned in my previous email, I got a Sumsung 250GB SSD 960 EVO > M.2. Apparently the M.2 SSD drives are much faster than the SATA SSD > drives. > FYI, the device shows up as /dev/nvme0n1. > Depends on the drive. A SATA-based SSD ov

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-25 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:10:26AM -0600, Alan Feuerbacher wrote: > > Interesting points. Until recently I didn't concern myself with such speeds > much, but used all default settings. I'm now retired and have time on my > hands, and am getting a new CPU, MB and memory. I've been a bit confused by

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-25 Thread Alan Feuerbacher
On 4/24/2017 11:16 PM, Michael Shell wrote: Bruce, Not to suggest that your results are anything less than the perfect truth of the reality of the matter, but I'm a bit surprised by this. Can I ask what kind of hard drive you had - was it anything especially fast? Also, I think memory speed

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-25 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Wayne Blaszczyk wrote: On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 12:09 -0600, Alan Feuerbacher wrote: Since I'm assembling hardware to get myself a Linux system, I'm thinking of getting an SSD device (the older type or the newer M.2 type such as Samsung 960 EVO). I assume that going through the entire LFS installa

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-25 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Michael Shell wrote: On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:28:36 -0500 Bruce Dubbs wrote: As for performance, I once did an automated build in a ramdisk. There was no IO other than to RAM. The total speedup was 8% which is barely noticeable if at all. LFS is CPU bound. Bruce, Not to suggest that yo

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-25 Thread Richard Melville
On 25 April 2017 at 14:42, Wayne Blaszczyk wrote: > On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 13:28 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Alan Feuerbacher wrote: > > > Since I'm assembling hardware to get myself a Linux system, I'm > thinking > > > of getting an SSD device (the older type or the newer M.2 type such as > > >

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-25 Thread Wayne Blaszczyk
On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 13:28 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Alan Feuerbacher wrote: > > Since I'm assembling hardware to get myself a Linux system, I'm thinking > > of getting an SSD device (the older type or the newer M.2 type such as > > Samsung 960 EVO). > > > > I assume that going through the enti

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-25 Thread Wayne Blaszczyk
On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 12:09 -0600, Alan Feuerbacher wrote: > Since I'm assembling hardware to get myself a Linux system, I'm thinkingĀ  > of getting an SSD device (the older type or the newer M.2 type such asĀ  > Samsung 960 EVO). > > I assume that going through the entire LFS installation from squa

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-24 Thread Michael Shell
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:28:36 -0500 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > As for performance, I once did an automated build in a ramdisk. There > was no IO other than to RAM. The total speedup was 8% which is barely > noticeable if at all. LFS is CPU bound. Bruce, Not to suggest that your results are anyt

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-24 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 10:43:56PM +0200, Aleksandar Kuktin wrote: > (sorry, long reply with wide lines of output pasted into it) > Years ago, there was chatter that one should refrain from building > (compiling) on a flash memory based SSD. The theory was that, since > flash memory is consumabl

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-24 Thread Aleksandar Kuktin
Hi all! >On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:28:36 -0500 >Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Alan Feuerbacher wrote: > > I assume that going through the entire LFS installation from square > > one will work with these devices. But are there any downsides to > > using them, as opposed to using exclusively hard drives? Wi

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-24 Thread Bruce Dubbs
William Harrington wrote: On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:28:36 -0500 Bruce Dubbs wrote: LFS is CPU bound In all fairness, it is hardware bound, not just CPU. When building from source it relies on CPU, RAM, Motherboard, and the solid/hard drive being used. It is not just CPU bound. Please be careful

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-24 Thread William Harrington
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:28:36 -0500 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > LFS is CPU bound In all fairness, it is hardware bound, not just CPU. When building from source it relies on CPU, RAM, Motherboard, and the solid/hard drive being used. It is not just CPU bound. Please be careful in what you state. It isn

Re: [lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-24 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Alan Feuerbacher wrote: Since I'm assembling hardware to get myself a Linux system, I'm thinking of getting an SSD device (the older type or the newer M.2 type such as Samsung 960 EVO). I assume that going through the entire LFS installation from square one will work with these devices. But are

[lfs-support] Using an SSD with LFS

2017-04-24 Thread Alan Feuerbacher
Since I'm assembling hardware to get myself a Linux system, I'm thinking of getting an SSD device (the older type or the newer M.2 type such as Samsung 960 EVO). I assume that going through the entire LFS installation from square one will work with these devices. But are there any downsides to