Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-27 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 05:58:41PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:28:15 +0200 Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds to me like you could use two X servers running together and not restart X. Considering that I am pushing the limits of my memory already and

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-26 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 20:00, you wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Oh, you mean - like urpmq ? urpmq is 'apt-cache search -n' . apt-cache search also searches the description. 'apt-cache search jabber' will also list gaim and kopete. also check out the large search box at the top of the

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-26 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:28:15 +0200 Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 04:44:01AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Actually to give the other point of view, with older, but not too old graphic cards it would have been VERY useful to be able to change color depth. I

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 01:45:18AM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: From my experience, if you don't need the advanced features of apt, especially automatic source build, then urpmi is a better tool. What I most sorely miss with urpmi is a decent search capability.

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-25 Thread Oded Arbel
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Oh, you mean - like urpmq ? urpmq is 'apt-cache search -n' . apt-cache search also searches the description. 'apt-cache search jabber' will also list gaim and kopete. also check out the large search box at the top of the rpmdrake interface - you can't miss it :-)

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-25 Thread tzafrir
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:00:57PM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: apt-setup (This is also what is run at system install time) This is part of Debian I don't have that specific command installed as part of apt on my system (apt4rpm), so I cannot attest at its capabilities but IIRC the

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 04:44:01AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Actually to give the other point of view, with older, but not too old graphic cards it would have been VERY useful to be able to change color depth. I have an 8MB ati rage mobility M1 (rage pro) which is still rather common in

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-24 Thread Offer Kaye
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:03:13 +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: 2. And you are trying to pick a fight with a guy who gave you a cynical but technicly correct answer. cynical? B.S. You used degrading and inflamatory language in several places (unintelligent and silly are two examples). Your entire

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sat, Jan 22, 2005, Matan Ziv-Av wrote about Re: rant: changing color depth: On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 03:42:48PM -0500, Offer Kaye wrote: rant Year: 2005 Desktop: KDE 3.3.1 OS: Mepis Linux Ability to change color depth: nil. nada. ziltch. Unless

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Offer Kaye
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:16:15 +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: I agree. A color depth is something you typically choose once, Hi Nadav, 1. I don't care if it's once or a thousand times, read my original post. I just want to be able to do it *easily*. Where easily is defined for an average desktop

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sunday 23 January 2005 14:15, Offer Kaye wrote: On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:16:15 +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: I agree. A color depth is something you typically choose once, Hi Nadav, 1. I don't care if it's once or a thousand times, read my original post. I just want to be able to do it

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Oded Arbel
Offer Kaye wrote: 2. The having to reboot issue I raised has nothing to do with doing it on the fly. As you noted, it's irritating when Windows makes you do it when installing software, but it is just as irritating when Linux makes you reboot... If you tell me it is part of the way X is built, I

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Offer Kaye
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:03:19 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: I think many distributions give you GUI utilities to customize the XF86Config file. That's not the problem. I couldn't find one built into KDE - I expected the desktop manager to include a utility to change the color depth. I even

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Offer Kaye
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:06:28 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: then that becomes an issue with your distribution providing the proper tools to do the job - and there are... Other distros have their own tools for easily modifying the X configuration. I couldn't find one for Mepis and in any case I

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Offer Kaye
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:27:50 +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: In short, the I can't change color depth without restarting X complaint is no reason to prefer Windows, I don't (well, except for games and that's a different story) prefer Windows, I prefer Linux. I would prefer it even more if it were

RE: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Micha Silver
This is not a real problem of Linux... So you configure it once and then don't touch it later. Configure it *how*!? That's exactly my problem - I couldn't find an easy way to configure the color depth. On Fedora systems run: redhat-config-xfree86 (or system-config-xfree86 on

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Offer Kaye, from the post of Sun, 23 Jan: I couldn't find one built into KDE - I expected the desktop manager to include a utility to change the color depth. I even expected it to be available from the settings winow you get by right-clicking the desktop and choosing properties.

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Offer Kaye, from the post of Sun, 23 Jan: since moving to apt-get + Synaptic I'm in heaven :-) Do you (or anyone else) have a suggestion for a good .deb based distribution which is not sucky? Never heard of Mepis and never tried Ubuntu, but how about Debian Sarge and dpkg-reconfigure

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Oded Arbel
Offer Kaye wrote: On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:06:28 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: then that becomes an issue with your distribution providing the proper tools to do the job - and there are... Other distros have their own tools for easily modifying the X configuration. I couldn't find one for Mepis and

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005, Shlomi Fish wrote about Re: rant: changing color depth: I, for the record, vividly recall that a lot of programs I installed in Windows back then, required a reboot. Maybe this is no longer the case with WinXP and more modern software, but it was. And it never

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Offer Kaye
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:59:36 +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: must be because you are used to running Operating systems as administrator No I'm not. sorry, No you're not, not really. You feel I'm attacking your favourite OS (I'm not), but instead of replying on technical grounds, you're

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Offer Kaye
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:27:56 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: or worse: every window manager maker would have to include their own configuration tool. There are over 300 distributions listed on distrowatch.com . There are about 5 or 10 (give or take a few) popular Window Managers, with only 2 really

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Oded Arbel
Offer Kaye wrote: On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:27:56 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: or worse: every window manager maker would have to include their own configuration tool. There are over 300 distributions listed on distrowatch.com . There are about 5 or 10 (give or take a few) popular Window Managers,

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Offer Kaye
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:26:55 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: I did the math and your calculation is wrong... In fact it makes no sense to have the X configuration UI provided by the WM vendor while it makes every sense to have it provided by the distro vendor: same as for any system level

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Oron Peled
On Sunday 23 January 2005 16:44, Offer Kaye wrote: I don't (well, except for games and that's a different story) prefer Windows, I prefer Linux. This should be the beginning of your first mail :-) Seems like many people got defensive because somebody hinted Linux may have limitations or (God

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005, Offer Kaye wrote about Re: rant: changing color depth: On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:27:56 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: or worse: every window manager maker would have to include their own configuration tool. There are over 300 distributions listed on distrowatch.com

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005, Oron Peled wrote about Re: rant: changing color depth: Question: anybody knows why (and how) RANDR made screen-size and refresh-rate dynamic (after all X apps had them static for ages) and why color-depth didn't make it to the list of dynamic

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sunday 23 January 2005 16:21, Offer Kaye wrote: On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:03:19 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: I think many distributions give you GUI utilities to customize the XF86Config file. That's not the problem. I couldn't find one built into KDE - I expected the desktop manager to

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Offer Kaye
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:36:31 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: I'm not sure that's the right place for it. You need root permissions to modify /etc/X11/XF86Config. Putting it there does not make sense on Linux. Don't think in such a linear fashion, Shlomi. Just because there is a menu item or

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Offer Kaye, from the post of Sun, 23 Jan: sorry, No you're not, not really. You feel I'm attacking your favourite OS (I'm not) attack at will. I'd like to think I'm a reasonable man and I can see the same faults as you do. However you started this entire thread with complaints

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 10:26:55PM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: Offer Kaye wrote: I'm constantly checking out new software and almost every time I can find it in Mandrake's repository (which is huge - currently standing at just over 7GB just for the free version) or one of the other

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Oded Arbel
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: From my experience, if you don't need the advanced features of apt, especially automatic source build, then urpmi is a better tool. What I most sorely miss with urpmi is a decent search capability. Something like 'apt-cache search' . When you have gigs of software oyu

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Micha Feigin
At Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:16:15 +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2005, Matan Ziv-Av wrote about Re: rant: changing color depth: On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 03:42:48PM -0500, Offer Kaye wrote: rant Year: 2005 Desktop: KDE 3.3.1 OS

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-23 Thread Micha Feigin
At Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:53:05 +0200, Offer Kaye wrote: On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:27:56 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: or worse: every window manager maker would have to include their own configuration tool. There are over 300 distributions listed on distrowatch.com . There are about 5 or 10

rant: changing color depth

2005-01-21 Thread Offer Kaye
rant Year: 2005 Desktop: KDE 3.3.1 OS: Mepis Linux Ability to change color depth: nil. nada. ziltch. Unless I want to edit some obscure text file and restart X (which means logging out, which means all of my open applications get closed down). I mean, come *on* people! What are we, in the dark

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-21 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 03:42:48PM -0500, Offer Kaye wrote: rant Year: 2005 Desktop: KDE 3.3.1 OS: Mepis Linux Ability to change color depth: nil. nada. ziltch. Unless I want to edit some obscure text file and restart X (which means logging out, which means all of my open applications get

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-21 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 03:42:48PM -0500, Offer Kaye wrote: rant Year: 2005 Desktop: KDE 3.3.1 OS: Mepis Linux Ability to change color depth: nil. nada. ziltch. Unless I want to Why would you want to change colour depth? Anyway, X protocol does not allow