] On Behalf Of Jefferson Ogata
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 5:56 PM
To: linux-poweredge@dell.com
Subject: Re: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers
On 2010-02-16 17:46, Blake Hudson wrote:
Attached was a pdf explaining the stringent quality
control standards for Dell's HDDs
Hi there,
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:52:04AM +0100, Tino Schwarze wrote:
I mailed my sales rep yesterday explaining my concerns and got a reply
today that he'll ask the marketing department for an official statement.
I got an answer today (German, English translation below):
[...] Ich kann
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:35 AM, Tino Schwarze
linux-poweredge.li...@tisc.de wrote:
Hi there,
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:52:04AM +0100, Tino Schwarze wrote:
I mailed my sales rep yesterday explaining my concerns and got a reply
today that he'll ask the marketing department for an official
Original Message
Subject: Re: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers
From: Jeff jlar...@gmail.com
To: linux-poweredge@dell.com
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:24:38 PM
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Bond Masuda bond.mas...@jlbond.com wrote:
however
On 2010-02-16 17:46, Blake Hudson wrote:
Attached was a pdf explaining the stringent quality
control standards for Dell's HDDs. No apology, remorse, alternative
solutions, etc.
That's pretty funny considering the fairly high failure rate of Dell
drives. If you actually check the SMART
On 2/16/2010 4:35 AM, Tino Schwarze wrote:
Hi there,
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:52:04AM +0100, Tino Schwarze wrote:
I mailed my sales rep yesterday explaining my concerns and got a reply
today that he'll ask the marketing department for an official statement.
I got an answer
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:36:54AM -0500, J. Epperson wrote:
And UPSs! We must ensure that we have appropriately proprietarily
conditioned power for our proprietary servers. And no third party
replacement batteries either. Lord only knows what sort of corruption
that could lead to.
--
Hi,
Anyone know if the H200 also has this problem, e.g. I think this is
currently the lowest configuration on the R510?
Thanks,
Sabuj Pattanayek
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On 2/12/2010 3:44 PM, Sabuj Pattanayek wrote:
Hi,
Anyone know if the H200 also has this problem, e.g. I think this is
currently the lowest configuration on the R510?
Thanks,
Sabuj Pattanayek
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On 2/12/2010 3:44 PM, Sabuj Pattanayek wrote:
Hi,
Anyone know if the H200 also has this problem, e.g. I think this is
currently the lowest configuration on the R510?
Thanks,
Sabuj Pattanayek
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Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 7:24:16 AM
Subject: Re: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers
On 2/12/2010 3:44 PM, Sabuj Pattanayek wrote:
Hi,
Anyone know if the H200 also has this problem, e.g. I think this is
currently
Hi there,
I mailed my sales rep yesterday explaining my concerns and got a reply
today that he'll ask the marketing department for an official statement.
Tino.
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What we nourish flourishes. - Was wir nähren erblüht.
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I agree with what everyone else is saying on this subject.
I contacted my Dell account manager and they suggested that I post on
http://www.ideastorm.com/
I didn't find an existing thread so I started one:
http://dellideas.force.com/ideaView?id=0877dwTAAQ
-Andy
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Andy Krantz an...@digitalcyclone.com wrote:
I agree with what everyone else is saying on this subject.
I contacted my Dell account manager and they suggested that I post on
http://www.ideastorm.com/
I didn't find an existing thread so I started one:
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:17 PM, howard_sho...@dell.com wrote:
There are a number of benefits for using Dell qualified drives in particular
ensuring a positive experience and protecting our data.
While SAS and SATA are industry standards there are differences which occur
in
Thank you, Howard for some lovely corporate spin.
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, howard_sho...@dell.com wrote:
Thank you very much for your comments and feedback regarding exclusive
use of Dell drives. It is common practice in enterprise storage
solutions to limit drive support to only those drives
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 16:17 -0600, howard_sho...@dell.com wrote:
Thank you very much for your comments and feedback regarding exclusive use of
Dell drives. It is common practice in enterprise storage solutions to limit
drive support to only those drives which have been qualified by the
to the list this time (sorry Eric ;-) ...
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 11:15:55PM -0600, Eric Rostetter scribbled
in RE: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers:
Quoting howard_sho...@dell.com:
In the case of Dell's PERC RAID controllers, we began informing
customers when a non
I have PowerEdge Server with DELL certified Seagate harddisk.
I bought it from DELL.
The DELL certified Seagate harddisk has lock problem 1/320 probability
every power-on spinup.
http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=207931NewLang=enHilite=
To: linux-poweredge@dell.com
Subject: RE: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers
Holy crap. Dell's gone IBM on us! I don't want to see this happen. Dell, are
you listening?
sigh
Reminds me of my campus' IT urban folklore about the memory upgrade in an old
GX360 big iron that used
Quoting Ronan Mullally ro...@iol.ie:
Dell is no NetApp. Having used solutions from both, there's a world of
a difference. You are kidding yourself if you think you're on a nearby
practice ground, let alone in the same ballpark.
Dell does sell enterprise storage solutions like NetApp (some
Quoting Mirosław Jaworski m...@ikp.pl:
We anxiously wait for further lock-ins.
I had a slippery slope rant in my last email, but I decided to remove it
before sending... See you think a bit alike...
The funny thing is, when we ran DEC and SUN stuff, all Dell ever told us
was why we should
On 2/10/2010 12:20 PM, Eric Rostetter wrote:
Quoting Mirosław Jaworskim...@ikp.pl:
We anxiously wait for further lock-ins.
I had a slippery slope rant in my last email, but I decided to remove it
before sending... See you think a bit alike...
The funny thing is, when we ran DEC
Quoting s.mishima s.mish...@gmail.com:
I have PowerEdge Server with DELL certified Seagate harddisk.
I bought it from DELL.
The DELL certified Seagate harddisk has lock problem 1/320 probability
every power-on spinup.
Yeah, I bought two of those systems too. ;) Again, thought about writing
Greetings
I've been stewing on this topic for a while; and waiting/hoping that someone
from Dell would chime in with their perspective. Now that Howard has
stepped in to present the company position, it is time for me to give some
feedback so that the Dell representatives following the thread
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Bond Masuda bond.mas...@jlbond.com wrote:
however, bottom line is this: Dell is trying to increase profits and
they see this lock-in as a potential method to achieve that goal. if
Dell customers want to see this change, you'll just need to show Dell
that it
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Bond Masuda bond.mas...@jlbond.com wrote:
however, bottom line is this: Dell is trying to increase profits and
they see this lock-in as a potential method to achieve that goal. if
Dell customers want to see this change, you'll just need to show Dell
that it
On Tuesday 09 February 2010, William Warren wrote:
On 2/9/2010 5:17 PM, howard_sho...@dell.com wrote:
Thank you very much for your comments and feedback regarding exclusive
use of Dell drives. It is common practice in enterprise storage solutions
to limit drive support to only those drives
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Peter Kjellstrom c...@nsc.liu.se wrote:
On Tuesday 09 February 2010, William Warren wrote:
On 2/9/2010 5:17 PM, howard_sho...@dell.com wrote:
Thank you very much for your comments and feedback regarding exclusive
use of Dell drives. It is common practice in
On Wed, February 10, 2010 12:27, Joe Gooch wrote:
-Original Message- From: linux-poweredge-boun...@dell.com
[mailto:linux-poweredge- boun...@dell.com] On Behalf Of J. Epperson
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:37 AM To:
Seriously, some of us used to re-flash some of the older LSI
Please, email your Dell customer rep and complain about this!
I did.
I contacted my Dell customer rep and he forwarded my complain to the
product support group. He said they may re-evaluate things if lots of
people complain. (I can hope...)
We don't have the Dell R710's, and I still
Hi,
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Jason Edgecombe wrote:
Please, email your Dell customer rep and complain about this!
I did.
I contacted my Dell customer rep and he forwarded my complain to the
product support group. He said they may re-evaluate things if lots of
people complain. (I can hope...)
On Wednesday 10 February 2010, John Oliver wrote:
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:36:54AM -0500, J. Epperson wrote:
And UPSs! We must ensure that we have appropriately proprietarily
conditioned power for our proprietary servers. And no third party
replacement batteries either. Lord only knows
Thank you very much for your comments and feedback regarding exclusive use of
Dell drives. It is common practice in enterprise storage solutions to limit
drive support to only those drives which have been qualified by the vendor. In
the case of Dell's PERC RAID controllers, we began informing
On 2/9/2010 5:17 PM, howard_sho...@dell.com wrote:
Thank you very much for your comments and feedback regarding exclusive use of
Dell drives. It is common practice in enterprise storage solutions to limit
drive support to only those drives which have been qualified by the vendor.
In the
...@dell.com [mailto:howard_sho...@dell.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:18 PM
To: linux-powere...@lists.us.dell.com
Subject: RE: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers
Thank you very much for your comments and feedback regarding exclusive
use of Dell drives. It is common practice
-powere...@lists.us.dell.com
Subject: RE: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers
Thank you very much for your comments and feedback regarding
exclusive use of Dell drives. It is common practice in
enterprise storage solutions to limit drive support to only
those drives which
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 16:17 -0600, howard_sho...@dell.com wrote:
Thank you very much for your comments and feedback regarding exclusive
use of Dell drives. It is common practice in enterprise storage
solutions to limit drive support to only those drives which have been
qualified by the vendor.
I'm sorry - I must have missed something here. I understand that in
Enterprise Storage Solutions (such as Hitachi and NetApp) they only
allow qualified drives. Are you officially stating that the R710 box is
an Enterprise Storage Solution? Because from my understanding, the
R710 is
Philip Tait wrote:
the supplied drives, and installed 4 Barracuda ES.2s. After doing a
Clear Configuration in the pre-boot RAID setup utility, I can perform
no operation with the drives - they are marked as blocked.
Is Dell preventing the use of 3rd-party HDDs now?
Thanks for any
On 8 Feb 2010, at 11:48, Tim Small wrote:
... it's possible that there are genuine
reasons for this - I spent/wasted most of last week diagnosing what is
starting to look like a firmware bug on WD 2TB green power drives
on a
non-Dell server ...
I wouldn't be surprised if the H700 adaptor
agree that SATA
is SATA.
Thanks,
-Drew
-Original Message-
From: linux-poweredge-boun...@dell.com
[mailto:linux-poweredge-boun...@dell.com] On Behalf Of Stroller
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:26 AM
To: Dell Linux Mailing List
Subject: Re: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11
Top posting due to the length of Stroller's eloquent and thoughtful post.
Well said, and entirely seconded.
I think it's particularly bad timing for Dell to be doing this at a time
when Oracle has purchased a hardware arm and is picking off Red Hat Linux
(a Dell partner) software support
On 2/6/2010 8:57 AM, Drew Weaver wrote:
We haven't noticed this yet on R710s but ours have PERC6, As a customer of
Dell who has hundreds of these, if we do notice this, we will be using
something else in the future. It is plain too expensive, too slow, and too
difficult to get drives if we
On 6 Feb 2010, at 15:30, William Warren wrote:
On 2/6/2010 8:57 AM, Drew Weaver wrote:
We haven't noticed this yet on R710s but ours have PERC6, As a
customer of Dell who has hundreds of these, if we do notice this,
we will be using something else in the future. It is plain too
On 6 Feb 2010, at 14:32, J. Epperson wrote:
Top posting due to the length of Stroller's eloquent and thoughtful
post.
Well said, and entirely seconded.
That's very kind of you to say so.
Stroller.
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On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Robin Bowes robin-li...@robinbowes.comwrote:
On 06/02/10 21:45, Steve Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010, Dameon Wagner wrote:
I've only been lurking on the list for a week or so, but after recent
experience buying some dell servers, and almost a MD1000
I hope this isn't true. If so I will have to start looking into a new solution
for our server purchases as this is unacceptable.
- Original Message -
From: Philip Tait phi...@subaru.naoj.org
To: Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2010 2:31:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada
This thread on the dell community forum may be related. boo...
http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19314432/19649799.aspx
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Chase Bolt cb...@datinggold.com wrote:
I hope this isn't true. If so I will have to start looking into a new
solution for our server
On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, Philip Tait wrote:
Is Dell preventing the use of 3rd-party HDDs now?
This better not be true. We have an R710 on its way in which non-Dell
drives are to be installed. If this is true, the R710 will be going back
to Dell, and it will be the last Dell machine we ever order.
On 2/5/2010 7:16 PM, Steve Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, Philip Tait wrote:
Is Dell preventing the use of 3rd-party HDDs now?
This better not be true. We have an R710 on its way in which non-Dell
drives are to be installed. If this is true, the R710 will be going back
to
This thread Brandon mentioned earlier explains it a little -
http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19314432/19649799.aspx
From the thread;
*Yes, while on the surface I don't like the sound of it, the truth is that
Dell-certified drives have a special firmware on them that allows them
to respond
On 2/5/2010 7:35 PM, Mark Walkom wrote:
This thread Brandon mentioned earlier explains it a little -
http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19314432/19649799.aspx
From the thread;
/Yes, while on the surface I don't like the sound of it, the truth is
that Dell-certified drives have a special
On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, William Warren wrote:
Perhaps it's more the cost of the 'official' drives that is the issue
here, maybe Dell can make the prices a bit more reasonable. I know I'd
be happy paying for the drives if they had technical benefits that
weren't offset by stupidly high prices.
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