And yet, my wife had no probs using OpenOffice with no training, and produced
good looking documents just like she used to in Word.
If the IT dept installed OpenOffice on the desktop here at work, most workers
would think it's a new version of MS Office and use it the same way.
>> if you
>> alrea
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 16:34, Nick Rout wrote:
> Now I'm not a bigot here, and I'm always ready to listen to other points
> of view, so lets hear what is "most missed' from linux from you/your
> customer's point of view??
>From my client's point of view, it doesn't have a Microsoft sticker on
it. T
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 11:51, Kevin Linux account wrote:
> Out of interest are there any WYSIWYG Web design tools for Linux?
Not found one for web sites, but for web pages I tend to use OpenOffice
these days.
Vik :v)
Jason, here http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0208/msg00606.html you
offered to talk on one of those subjects that interested you, what
happenned? maybe you felt you needed to be asked. HAving the dubious
honour of being on the meeting committee I'm gonna get you along for
some info about the stuff
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:07:42 +1300
DSA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> if you
> already had MS Office installed, and your staff where comfortable
> using it, why would install another package?
Its true (without wishing to appear too cynical) that the average office
user is pretty illiterate - wor
> Phill Coxon had ViaVoice(?) working well on Mandrake.
ViaVoice is no longer available for sale, IBM have no more copies, and
IBM have dropped every support for it. There is no speech recognition
app for Linux. Not even one which doesn't work.
I have ViaVoice running too, and had for a while. It
> from what I hear. Now, as for Excel, what about gnumeric?? I can open
> excel spreadsheets with it just fineOne Windows box (or a dual
We had that not too long ago on one of the lists. Both kspread and
gnumeric are seriously lacking in usability. I doubt your "load excel
file into gnumeric
And for many more go to
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blsaddamoil.htm
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 17:16, Jason Greenwood wrote:
> http://www.goshko.ca/downloads/jokes/pictures/episodeII.jpg
--
Robert Fisher
http://www.fisherfamily.orcon.net.nz
I am using OpenOffice for (ex) Excel stuff now. No problems so far.
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 17:14, Jason Greenwood wrote:
> Ok, I can understand MYOB, the stubbord bastards refuse to port to
> Linux but an open source program is the works to replicate its
> functionality from what I hear. Now, as fo
John S Veitch wrote:
> Hello All
>
> My vision for the Canterbury Linux Users Group was very soundly
defeated last night.
Sounds like you had the wrong vision.
I remembered this from a previous posting
>Post script:
>> > CLUG has no executive committee or formal management. It is run an
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:49, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> OK. It was a labour of love for my English relatives, none the less I'm
> quite proud of it.
Sorry youngsters, had a senior moment.
http://berty.dyndns.org/wedding/
--
Sincerely etc.,
Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:39, Rex Johnston wrote:
> As for OCR, well last time i looked, it did actually suck.
> Anyone used clara ?
In a word, hopeless. You have to train it for every font you are going to use,
and even then it only works more than half reliably if the print quality is
absolutely
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:18, Yuri de Groot wrote:
> And I know this is waaay OT, but why not post the url of your favourite
> page (designed by yourself) be it code or dreamweaver, and we shall see
> which pages a) look the nicest (by far the most important factor to joe
> citizen IMHO), and b) hav
Yes that can be done, but remember that
the customer has to be happy to do that. One customer I worked with recently
had a turn over of several millions of dollars, all of it managed with macro
driven excel spreadsheets, and they where extremely reluctant to change (They
had unprotected in
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
Of course you get into accounting apps, and a few other bits and the
problems are more difficult.
Yes, you are correct now that Appgen appear, from the www site, to have
dropped Linux.
They still seem to be shipping it for RedHat (according to the website).
The ot
My free, unwarranteed advice to any business contemplating a move away from windows,
or wanting to leave that option open, is this:
First move to apps that will run on any OS, eg OpenOffice, Mozilla.
Once you're comfotable with that, choose whatever OS you like.
>Most often cause of concern is t
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 05:01:46PM +1300, Jason Greenwood wrote:
> was not. To recap my feelings and what I thought the CLUG should include
> more of, see the archives here:
> http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0208/msg00575.html
Again, my archives pop up, and I completely forget they exist... I m
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:34, Nick Rout wrote:
> What doesn't linux/BSD provide for the average business? Certainly most
> office workers survive on word (open|star|k office), speadsheets
> (open|star|k office)and email (evolution. sylpheed, mozilla, etc)
>
> Of course you get into accounting apps, an
Many of us linux users are geeks.
Geeks are often abrasive and forthright.
I'm dutch, so I'm used to it.
This group will never be all things to all people.
We try to treak each other okay, but we do voice our opinions.
The dutch have a saying: The soup is not eaten as hot as it's served (rough
t
http://www.goshko.ca/downloads/jokes/pictures/episodeII.jpg
>What doesn't linux/BSD provide for the average business? Certainly most
>office workers survive on word (open|star|k office), speadsheets
>(open|star|k office)and email (evolution. sylpheed, mozilla, etc)
>
>Of course you get into accounting apps, and a few other bits and the
>problems are more di
Ok, I can understand MYOB, the stubbord bastards refuse to port to Linux
but an open source program is the works to replicate its functionality from
what I hear. Now, as for Excel, what about gnumeric?? I can open excel spreadsheets
with it just fineOne Windows box (or a dual booter/vmware
-Original Message-
>Now I'm not a bigot here, and I'm always ready to listen to other
points
>of view, so lets hear what is "most missed' from linux from you/your
>customer's point of view??
Most often cause of concern is that they already have existing Windows
based software, such as
I wanted a LOT of things ;) But then I am a demanding chap, aren't I?? No,
but seriously, Nick, your (as I saw it), ahem, sometimes abrasive and forthright
nature frankly annoyed me. I have since gotten to know you better and though
you still sometimes annoy me (as I surely do you), I have also
Not wanting to go over old ground here Jason, but IIRC you wanted more
talks on gui type software, which quickly degenerated into a CLI/GUI
flamewar oops I mean discussion.
I think someone may have suggested that you organise or conduct talks on
the areas that interested you, if that has resulted
What doesn't linux/BSD provide for the average business? Certainly most
office workers survive on word (open|star|k office), speadsheets
(open|star|k office)and email (evolution. sylpheed, mozilla, etc)
Of course you get into accounting apps, and a few other bits and the
problems are more difficul
I will not bore the list as I am reasonably sure I have made it quite clear
what I would like the CLUG to do differently. IMHO, these concerns have fallen
on more than deaf ears, they have fallen on vehemently contrary ears. That
is totally fine, I guess I was outnumbered. As I said, I am not t
Can somebody point me to the OSTC Forum? I think I may have missed it somehow.
Cheers
Glenn.
Ha, very funny,
In actual fact I am a network
engineer, I evaluate a clients existing (often MS) infrastructure, and try to
offer a cost effective and unbiased solution to their network problems.
What do you think would
happen if I walked into a business with $50,000 worth of MS operatin
Jason Greenwood wrote:
One problem with your little hypothesis/statement. It leaves no room for
change/progression/evolution. All things change in time, that is the way
of life.
The list, and the activity that surround it, has changed a lot since
the list was first started.
Also, I had a sort-
If you were the committee of one, what would you change?
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:01:35 +1300
Jason Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One problem with your little hypothesis/statement. It leaves no room for
> change/progression/evolution. All things change in time, that is the way
> of life
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 16:01, Jason Greenwood wrote:
> One problem with your little hypothesis/statement. It leaves no room for
> change/progression/evolution. All things change in time, that is the way
> of life.
>
> Jason Greenwood
You have a point. I do think that we need to be able to change
>For me a large part of why I go to the meetings is for a chin wag *not*
>to make motions to amend motions!
Making a motion is a private matter.
Oat bran helps.
One problem with your little hypothesis/statement. It leaves no room for
change/progression/evolution. All things change in time, that is the way
of life.
Jason Greenwood
Carl Cerecke wrote:
There isn't really any "Canterbury Linux User Group".
Sure we use that name, but it doesn't really exis
>And I know this is waaay OT, but why not post the url of your favourite page
>(designed by yourself) be it code or dreamweaver, and we shall see which
>pages a) look the nicest (by far the most important factor to joe citizen
>IMHO), and b) have the tidiest HTML.
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/y
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Tim Wright wrote:
> Can we put a link from the website to them...next to the "i was a newbie"
> one. We could call it "a brief history of Clug".
aaah, commenting on my own comment. bad eh :)
by "them" I meant Carl's comment.
Tim Wright
Assistant Lecturer
Department of Comp
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Carl Cerecke wrote:
> Remember. There is no CLUG. So don't complain about it.
>
> That is how it works.
> And I like it.
I'll second Carl's comment. I will add that now people have wanted to
organise meetings a little better, there are people doing it. It's
probably good havi
There isn't really any "Canterbury Linux User Group".
Sure we use that name, but it doesn't really exist.
In the beginning, there was the list. It was created as
a university-wide mailing list for people running linux.
If a person had a question, they posted it to the list.
Someone hopefully would
Greets CLUGgers,
The diary says that the next meeting is to be held in only a fortnight's time.
The newly elected Autocracy has decreed that it's to be an informal clinic /
worksop. ( We havn't got time to press-gang a speaker and give h{im,er} time
to prepare )
Thus we need to know of people
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 14:06, Kevin Linux account wrote:
> I do not agree with what went on last night, but the group felt that
things would function better with a committee so that is the way they
voted. I know of one group (ok it is not in the same field) but it is
functioning well without a commi
Original Message ---
I agree, if you don't like how CLUG is being run. or it isn't meeting
your needs, either a) try and fix it yourself (which I did and it didn't
seem to work well for me) or b) quit being an active member of the group
(which is the option I chose after exhaust
I agree, if you don't like how CLUG is being run. or it isn't meeting your
needs, either a) try and fix it yourself (which I did and it didn't seem
to work well for me) or b) quit being an active member of the group (which
is the option I chose after exhausting option a). The other option is t
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 23:26, John S Veitch wrote:
> Hello All
>
> My vision for the Canterbury Linux Users Group was very soundly
> defeated last night. There was little aspiration among those in
> attendance to make the group into a strong dynamic and effective
> organisation.
I disagree t
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 12:52, Nick Rout wrote:
> some bloody security camera, everything has been stolen off those
> shelves mate!
-grin-
The school library isn't open yet, and I couldn't use a photo that has
students in it :)
some bloody security camera, everything has been stolen off those
shelves mate!
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:47:05 +1300
C Falconer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ob-debian: my security camera is working nicely - a PII 266 with a USB
> webcam attached. Here's a sample pic.
--
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECT
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 12:09, Gareth Williams wrote:
> I can certainly agree there - for most people who want to do an amature
> website, DW is a good tool, and things like it (Frontpage as another example,
> but don't anyone dare name MSWord, ugh ;) make web publishing accessable to a
> lot more
Bluefish kinda rocks
On Thursday 30 January 2003 11:56, you wrote:
> Several, screem, mozilla composer etc., but NONE of them offer the
> "power" and usability of DW IMHO. I hope the OSS community addresses
> this at some stage.
>
> Cheers
>
> J
>
> Kevin Linux account wrote:
> >Out of interest ar
These people have linux drivers for their pci adls modems, and they are
telepermitted and to be marketed in NZ.
http://www.traverse.com.au/
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:00:57 +1300 (NZDT)
Mahesh De Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The same applies for internal PCI ADSL modems, support
> is getting
I just wanted to say that I completely agree with Christopher.
John, you kept saying that we had acomplished nothing, but I felt we
acomplished quite a bit (throughout the whole evening, even at the start)
through interesting and lively debate of a whole range of issues that are
relevant to CLU
I don't wish to get offside with anyone over this, but I tend to agree
with Chris, although last night had slightly different aims to our
normal meetings.
It was important to have John's intervention last night because a
discussion on structure itself needs to be structured.
In the end we got i
Hello all web site developers,
I've re-written pages from several sites where the government paid
big money to "top" web design companies. It's rare to find pages
that were not written in a WYSIWYG editor. It's cheap and easy to
employ a relatively unskilled person to do. It even works quit
Hello All
Leo told me that a page in my site didn't display properly in
Mozilla. I knew that, none of the pages in my site display properly
in Mozilla because Mozilla doesn't read the style sheets. The
question is why?
Zane suggested it might be the relative links to the style sheet.
PRO
On Thursday 30 January 2003 11:08, Steve Bell wrote:
> To me, trying to code a visually stimulating website in HTML compares to
> trying to code a glossy brochure layout.
That's because you're not a programmer :)
>
> That "unnecessary" html that DW sticks in is necessary for one reason: To
> mak
Zane wrote:
> Just a minor point,
> you might be wise to mention that this centre is in
> Christchurch New Zealand.
Very good point. Someone has also suggested I put a map in there as
well. I will get on to it as soon as possible.
> This is a great idea and I hope it does well, but maybe some
Far as i can tell all external USB modems are win
modems.
The same applies for internal PCI ADSL modems, support
is getting better but not really main stream.
Mahesh
>
> External Serial modems are always hardware modems.
> External USB modems are
> not necessarily hardware modems. Beware!
==
> www.crconline.org
>
> Probably full of errors, but I think it looks nice.
Not in Konqueror it doesn't :)
Even in Mozilla (1.0) I get a little piece of broken image on the right (and a
pop up window, argh!). But in konq (3.0.2) I don't get any of the animation
(I'm guessing it's using somethi
Several, screem, mozilla composer etc., but NONE of them offer the
"power" and usability of DW IMHO. I hope the OSS community addresses
this at some stage.
Cheers
J
Kevin Linux account wrote:
Out of interest are there any WYSIWYG Web design tools for Linux?
Regards,
Kevin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just a minor point,
you might be wise to mention that this centre is in
Christchurch New Zealand.
This is a great idea and I hope it does well, but maybe some sort of
yearly membership fee might be in order?
I am more likely to want to pay a yearly subscription type of
arrangement than a monthly
Out of interest are there any WYSIWYG Web design tools for Linux?
Regards,
Kevin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:26, John S Veitch wrote:
> Hello All
>
> My vision for the Canterbury Linux Users Group was very soundly
> defeated last night. There was little aspiration among those in
> attendance to make the group into a strong dynamic and effective
> organisation.
John: Don't forget N
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Damien Bateman wrote:
>
> > It will be a long while before Linux comes
> > up with anything that can compete with Microsoft's Active Directory, its
> > an awesome product, and if you get over your negative diatribe, and
> > learn a bit about it, you too will find that MS has
John S Veitch is on permanent record as saying:
:
:It's untidy guys. It won't get better if we avoid thinking about it.
: You know what happens to a programme that's convoluted and confused,
:it becomes useless and impossible to maintain. We can do better.
I agree that the meeting was messy
To me, trying to code a visually stimulating website in HTML compares to
trying to code a glossy brochure layout.
That "unnecessary" html that DW sticks in is necessary for one reason: To
make the web (web design) accessible to Joe Average, like me.
Heck, sorry I'm still continuing this OT debat
> It will be a long while before Linux comes
> up with anything that can compete with Microsoft's Active Directory, its
> an awesome product, and if you get over your negative diatribe, and
> learn a bit about it, you too will find that MS has a lot to offer.
Active Directory? Oh you mean the com
I've got one here - its a winmodem for sure.
Just because it has an extra chip above what some other modems have
doesn't make it a hardware modem. (XP found it as a "Lucent LT")
Should we call it a semi-soft modem? Softened with canola oil? :)
For those who care - Corp Cons (365 5060) is $105
Signs of a winmodem
"Lucent LT"
"Winmodem"
"Conexant chipset"
"Agere" on the chip
"Host Controller Free" / HCF
HSF / HCP
Controllerless / controlless
"requires PII 233 or better, and windows"
Or count the number of chips - one
Hello All
My vision for the Canterbury Linux Users Group was very soundly
defeated last night. There was little aspiration among those in
attendance to make the group into a strong dynamic and effective
organisation. It's a "users group" it's for us, the users. If
people want to join fine,
My understanding was in order to create high standard web pages you needed to work
with HTML directly, ethier user notepad or one of the many html editors that are
available, editors like Dreamweaver produce non standard code it is better to code
your page yourself then you can have more control
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 06:39, Robert Fisher wrote:
> Grant at TasTech asked me if I know of current PCI modems which are
> compatible with Linux.
>
> As I use ADSL I advised him to do a Google search but I also thought I
> could ask the list on his behalf.
>
> Does anyone have good advice about this?
Another officer needed on the committee?
Posse Co-ordinator?
John
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/03 00:14 AM >>>
Aha! Our first MS troll - time to organise a lynching mob? ;-)
(relax, I'm joking)
Gareth
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 23:17, DSA wrote:
> I too learned HTML with notepad. Even today
Try running it through http://validator.w3.org/
Always a good way to see if there are any errors or not.
Standards support provides the greatest accessibility to a site [or
anything else for that matter]
You might say "if every one uses MS then..."
But what about impaired users, like the blind/vi
read the question, he wants pci not external!
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:19:44 +1300
Simon Hansman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think as long as you avoid win-modems you'll be fine. External modems are
> usually (if always?) hardware modems so they're the best ones for linux IMHO.
>
> Cheers
> Si
Hi all,
I have made a basic web site for the Open Source Technology Centre. It
is hosted on my web server in the office on a 128Kbps connection. Check
it out and let me know what you think.
http://ostc.dyndns.org
It still needs some work, but you get the basic idea.
At the meeting last night,
> I think as long as you avoid win-modems you'll be fine. External modems
are
> usually (if always?) hardware modems so they're the best ones for linux
IMHO.
External Serial modems are always hardware modems. External USB modems are
not necessarily hardware modems. Beware!
I noticed that Dick Smi
> roll-overs, and then use Dreamweaver to add the Java scripted buttons to
> my standard page.
Yeah, some idiots need java to get past their front page, because all
the navigation requires it. Even the average Microsoftie knows by know
that downloading programs from any odd website and running t
Steve Bell wrote:
Just to put in my 2c worth, I have used Dreamweaver for several versions.
And in the midst of a list of programmers, gurus, and geeks, I'm taking a
risk saying this ('specially with a lynching mob on the loose), but I *hate*
code.
Dreamweaver is supposedly quite nice accordin
> Grant at TasTech asked me if I know of current PCI modems which are
> compatible with Linux.
Well, usual answer is www.linmodems.org (if he wants to sell, he should
do the legwork... ;) )
Last time I investigated this question, there were no internal
hardmodems telepermitted in New Zealand. Th
Just to put in my 2c worth, I have used Dreamweaver for several versions.
And in the midst of a list of programmers, gurus, and geeks, I'm taking a
risk saying this ('specially with a lynching mob on the loose), but I *hate*
code. I can work it out basically when I HAVE to.
And I know this is wa
At 18:21 29/01/03 +1300, you wrote:
>That sucks badly. If you can do it in straight HTML, the school should be
>encouraging you to learn, not teaching you one (rather average IMO) specific
>software package that you'll never use for anything useful.
>
>You don't happen to go to Riccarton High by
Small correction sorry - the Winmodem I have is a Conexant (rockwell
chipset) HSF type - not Lucent. There is good info at
www.linmodems.org
From: Lance BLACKLER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PCI Modems
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:40:56 +1
for what it is worth - I have had good experiences with PCI modems - both my
Winmodem (and HSF Lucent chipset) and the hardware modem (Actiontec PM560
LKI) that I got from Scuttle ($50 - so quite reasonable price compared to an
external unit I thought). The winmodem set up is straightforward ei
I think as long as you avoid win-modems you'll be fine. External modems are
usually (if always?) hardware modems so they're the best ones for linux IMHO.
Cheers
Simon
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 06:39, Robert Fisher wrote:
> Grant at TasTech asked me if I know of current PCI modems which are
> compatib
Good to see a local vendor even asking the question. Three cheers for
Grant.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 06:39:37+1300 Robert Fisher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Grant at TasTech asked me if I know of current PCI modems which are
> compatible with Linux.
>
> As I use ADSL I advised him to do a Google se
Grant at TasTech asked me if I know of current PCI modems which are
compatible with Linux.
As I use ADSL I advised him to do a Google search but I also thought I
could ask the list on his behalf.
Does anyone have good advice about this?
--
Robert Fisher
http://www.fisherfamily.orcon.net.nz
Aha! Our first MS troll - time to organise a lynching mob? ;-)
(relax, I'm joking)
Gareth
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 23:17, DSA wrote:
> I too learned HTML with notepad. Even today I still use notepad to
> create my basic page, and then use Dreamweaver to add the tricky stuff
> later. I use Ad
&
Meeting was opened at 7:30PM by Zane Gilmore as evening Chairperson.
Approximately 40 were present. Venue Sydenham Community Association Hall.
&
Nick Elder read out the motion he posted in this email list
Sat, 25
This is supposed to be a justification for using it? That is is "at
least as good as frontpage"? Talk about damning with faint praise LOL
On
Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:46:13+1300 Gordon Findlay<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> IMO, Dreamweaver is pretty horrible at many things: some of its
> manipulations o
I too learned HTML with
notepad. Even today I still use notepad to create my basic page, and then use Dreamweaver
to add the tricky stuff later. I use Adobe Photoshop to create buttons,
ImageReady to make them roll-overs, and then use Dreamweaver to add the Java
scripted buttons to my stand
For all your experience, I think you meant "Macromedia" products, not
Adobe
And yes they are great tools for amateurs but produce decidedly non
standard HTML.
DSA wrote:
Hey guys,
I think youll find Dreamweaver was designed for Apple MAC, and has
only recently been adapted for Windows.
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 18:28, C Falconer wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 18:21, Gareth Williams wrote:
> > ...My old school - mind you, I think all schools are probably pretty
> > similar (ie. poor) in this area (tech/computers). Mainly because of staff
> > problems I'd suspect, most 'IT' staf
I am going to one on Febuary 4th at Burnside:
Thats is on Windows using notepad
Regards,
Kevin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DSA wrote:
> Hey guys,
> I think you'll find Dreamweaver was designed for Apple MAC, and has only
> recently been adapted for Windows.
Yes, its dual-platform. A Linux version would be nice.
> In case you're wondering, Dreamweaver, even in the Windows
> configuration, is an excellent tool for We
That was me who got VOCP working... it took some time!
... damn and blast, I forgot about the meeting tonight :-(
At 05:01 p.m. 29/01/2003, you wrote:
A while back someone emailed the list saying they got VOCP working...I'm
having some trouble figuring out which chipset my voice-modem is...does
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