[LUTE] Re: My web site

2020-09-04 Thread David Van Edwards
een around for so long that there will be dead links for years bouncing toward Wayne's old computers. I am less interested in the pictures because David van Edwards has done a lot with pictures for the ELS. I have never looked at his treatises - aga

[LUTE] Re: e vs c

2020-08-04 Thread David Van Edwards
Martin is right, this is just the standard English way of writing C in all sorts of contexts not just lute tablature. To illustrate I've uploaded a small section of an English will from 1574 which reads "mercy to receive" and in it you can see the normal form of the R as well as the C and

[LUTE] Re: Les charmes de la vie - Watteau

2020-07-18 Thread David Van Edwards
source of information. Best wishes Monica On 17 July 2020 at 19:20 David Van Edwards wrote: Dear Monica, There are two separate issues here, the lute and pegbox itself are rather odd and dubious and I suspect Watteau didn't really care. The position of the hand is a separate matter

[LUTE] Re: Les charmes de la vie - Watteau

2020-07-17 Thread David Van Edwards
arm. Normally you would be plucking the string to hear if it were in tune. Monica On 17 July 2020 at 12:12 David Van Edwards wrote: Dear Monica, There's another related Watteau painting in the Wallace collection (Pour nous prouver que cette belle) showing the same hand in much more

[LUTE] Re: Les charmes de la vie - Watteau

2020-07-17 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Monica, There's another related Watteau painting in the Wallace collection (Pour nous prouver que cette belle) showing the same hand in much more detail. Different instrument so the pegbox is a bit narrower and that maybe makes the hand more possible. But the brushwork here shows that

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino

2020-06-19 Thread David Van Edwards
According to the LSA database: labelled: Johannes Hieber und Andreas Pfanzelt //. Repair label: Louvet/ m (ai) tre luthier de paris à avignon/ mai 1778 pur Mr. Carpentraz// David At 13:27 +0200 19/6/20, Mathias Rösel wrote: On a side note, the names of the luthiers who built the tiorbino

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino

2020-06-18 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Andreas, Yes I'm sorry, you are right, 5 courses on the petit jeu is not what Castaldi calls for. I must change my notes which I made many years ago! But the relative length of the extension on this instrument does make it _look_ more like the pictures which Castaldi engraved himself

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino

2020-06-18 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Martin, It's up on Cleveland's website with lots of good photos at https://www.clevelandart.org/art/1918.368 Almost all original but according to my notes it has new bridge and nuts so we will never know for sure but they have it strung as 8 single strings in on the extension. Rather

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino

2020-06-16 Thread David Van Edwards
I have three possibles listed: the Hieber Pfanzelt in Geneva, 490 & 760 mm, 1x1, 5x2 + 5x1 MH in Brussels No.1578, 538 & 1069mm, currently 9x1+ 8x1 but the bridge is not original so I suspect it was originally a 13 course tiorbino with 1x1, 4x2 in lower pegbox. This is what Castaldi calls

[LUTE] Re: Vanishing lute tops - or not?

2020-06-13 Thread David Van Edwards
The other problem is the tendency of 19th century museums and collectors to "preserve" their instruments by giving them a nice coat of wax polish. There used to be a saying in the British Navy "If it moves, salute it; if it doesn't move, paint it white." Something of the sort seems to have

[LUTE] Re: Vanishing lute tops - or not?

2020-06-13 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Jörg, I cover this towards the end of this essay on a related matter. https://www.vanedwards.co.uk/month/nov00/month.htm Best wishes, David Dear collected wisdom, there are quite a lot of different ideas of how to vanish lute tops (or not). How was it with the old instruments? Were

[LUTE] Re: Hoffmann 14 Course Lute

2020-04-30 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Susan, I can't help with the actual drawing but there's a large photo of it in the big book on the Hoffmanns by Eszter Fontana, Veit Heller and Klaus Martius p.303. I scanned it from the book at high resolution a few years ago and it might be enough to work from. But the image is too big to

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ask about using wood for fingerboard as ribs

2019-11-27 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Jaroslaw, Yes, it's actually quite a good wood for ribs tonally and structurally and bends well. The surface pores are quite open so getting a sophisticated finish is harder. The bright red colour tones down quite rapidly into a nice orange brown. David At 10:29 +0100 27/11/19,

[LUTE] Re: Mandora/Gallichon website

2019-11-21 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Rainer, What a very good initiative! I think there's lots of information out there in various places and people's heads and it would be very good to have such a place to pull a lot of it together. To start with there are 18 images from the Lute Society database

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-12 Thread David Van Edwards
To: David Van Edwards Cc: Tristan von Neumann ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, Nov 11, 2019 8:59 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again At 12:48 +0100 11/11/19, Joachim LˆÉ¬ºdtke wrote: Well, in winter 1565, while his lute books were set

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-11 Thread David Van Edwards
, in deep snow and at freezing temperature. Some piece of hard-frozen snow or ice may have hit him during the passage ;) Joachim dler's portrait, again Datum: 2019-11-11T12:02:50+0100 Von: "David Van Edwards" An: "Tristan von Neumann" Even

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-11 Thread David Van Edwards
Even the museum don't say it is German, the artists suggested are Italian http://samling.nasjonalmuseet.no/en/object/NG.M.01341# But Melchior did visit Italy in 1565, 9 years before his undoubted portrait by Stimmer. And the resemblance is possible but slight. The main difference is the top

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-10 Thread David Van Edwards
Thank you Wayne, Strangely I found it did come through in Arthur's first posting with a broken icon but when clicked, it downloaded successfully! Slipped through the net!! It's also up on the museum's website in a large downloadable version at

[LUTE] Re: Portraits of Melchior Newsidler (lacking) WAS: Re: de Rippe portrait // Lutist portraits

2019-11-10 Thread David Van Edwards
commissioned by MN's patrons, the Fuggers. Maybe I can post it to Facebook. I forgot about Wayne's prohibition of attachments. Sorry Wayne! Arthur. -Original Message- On 31.10.19 12:43, David Van Edwards wrote: > To answer the second part of your question: > >

[LUTE] Re: de Rippe portrait // Lutist portraits

2019-10-31 Thread David Van Edwards
To answer the second part of your question: Possibly: Melchior Newsidler 1574 https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3 Sebastian Ochsenkhun 1588 https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-183 Sixtus Kargel (1540-1600)

[LUTE] Re: de Rippe portrait // Lutist portraits

2019-10-31 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Tristan, It seems unlikely as he's wearing some VERY fancy armour. It looks more like a portrait of Charles IX of France, the Roi under whose privilege the book was printed. He has the same very conspicuous long straight nose. Best wishes, David At 10:22 +0100 31/10/19, Tristan von

[LUTE] Re: Thomann Canterella and LLD lutes

2019-09-20 Thread David Van Edwards
Yes, there is sometimes that sort of issue with Chinese firms. I was once contacted by a Chinese firm offering to sell cheap baroque bows and the image they used was one of my own bows which they'd scraped off my website! I think there is also a similar parallel trade in the Pakistani lutes

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread David Van Edwards
ember correctly) and of course attributes the idea to S. L. Weiss. Despite what some lutemakers seem to like, I wouldn't define the swan neck baroque lute as a "theorbo": it introduces much confusion in a field where we do not need to add more, I believe. Attivato Sun, 18 A

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread David Van Edwards
it was then intended as an angelique.Neither are what we would nowadays call a theorbo, though of course the term was in use then for such instuments. Best wishes, David At 13:37 -0700 18/8/19, howard posner wrote: > On Aug 18, 2019, at 10:22 AM, David Van Edwards wr

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread David Van Edwards
ught to be more than the music of >the early 17th century ), I feel happy to leave those few notes out or >play them at a higher octave. >It is not to be taken lightly, the feeling of playing Monteverdi in big >spaces on a big theorbo with the long strings commencing from the 7

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread David Van Edwards
2019 20:21:21 +0200 David Van Edwards ha scritto Dear Luca, I forgot to add: is there any other info you'd like? I have a few more photos. It is indeed on display in Rome at the Museo Nazionale degli Strumenti Musicali, and the catalogue number is 976. Luisa Cervelli: La

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Luca, I forgot to add: is there any other info you'd like? I have a few more photos. It is indeed on display in Rome at the Museo Nazionale degli Strumenti Musicali, and the catalogue number is 976. Luisa Cervelli: La Galleria Armonica, Catalogo del Museo degli strumenti musicali di

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Luca, Here you are! A very nice looking theorbo. Pohlmann says date is 1655 and Toffolo says it's c.1640 (St. Toffolo: Antichi Strumenti Veneziani. Venezia 1987, pp. 57, 221) who knows where the 1702 date comes from in the LSA list, but as there's no label it's all a guess. Best wishes,

[LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc.

2019-07-31 Thread David Van Edwards
Almost exactly the same reason that Lord Herbert of Cherbury gave! "my learning of Musicke was for this end that I might entertaine my selfe at home and together refresh my mynde after my studyes to which I was exceedingly inclined, and that I might not neede the company of younge men in whome I

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-23 Thread David Van Edwards
And not to forget Stefan Lundgren's chamber opera on that very incident. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMkbZ3tfFjs Best wishes, David At 19:18 +0200 23/7/19, Lex van Sante wrote: The name of the violinist was Petit, who thought that his host (Weiss) had spoken against him when he was

[LUTE] Re: Arciliuto in the collection of the Conservatorio di Musica Bologna ?

2019-07-12 Thread David Van Edwards
doras, say) or are there two seperate nuts? The bridge looks quite long - do you know what string disposition its holes suggest? ie number of courses regards Martyn On Friday, 12 July 2019, 12:13:30 BST, David Van Edwards wrote: Dear Both, Indeed very interesting, I hadn'

[LUTE] Re: Arciliuto in the collection of the Conservatorio di Musica Bologna ?

2019-07-12 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Both, Indeed very interesting, I hadn't regarded that one as it's in the Museum not the Music Conservatory and I didn't know the van der Meer conjecture. For info I've put a photo of the sad remnants on display up on my site at https://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Frei%20in%20bologna.htm David

[LUTE] Re: Arciliuto in the collection of the Conservatorio di Musica Bologna ?

2019-07-12 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Martyn, Maybe one of the two archlutes by Venere and Sellas in the Bologna, Museo Civico Medievale Inv. Nos 1748 and 1749? Both have been restored by the GNM in Nürnberg but it's probably the much copied little one by Sellas 640 + 1340, which I believe is in playing order. I have no

[LUTE] Re: stump?

2018-12-27 Thread David Van Edwards
on and how many were sympathetic? Nancy Better still, the Bandura old style with a similar curved bridge and all. Cheers, Lex Op 27 dec. 2018, om 21:35 heeft David Van Edwards het volgende geschreven: It's just occurred to me that the arrangement of strings on the Poliphant seems

[LUTE] Re: stump?

2018-12-27 Thread David Van Edwards
: Looks like the polyphant on this page: https://earlymusicmuse.com/bandora-orpharion/ Rainer On 27.12.2018 21:19, David Van Edwards wrote: Dear Ed and Arthur and Rainer, Here is a link to a page I've put together showing the Randle Holme description and sketch of the Poliphant. His Academy

[LUTE] Re: stump?

2018-12-27 Thread David Van Edwards
It's just occurred to me that the arrangement of strings on the Poliphant seems remarkably like that on a torban. David Dear Ed and Arthur and Rainer, Here is a link to a page I've put together showing the Randle Holme description and sketch of the Poliphant. His Academy of Armory is an

[LUTE] Re: stump?

2018-12-27 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Ed and Arthur and Rainer, Here is a link to a page I've put together showing the Randle Holme description and sketch of the Poliphant. His Academy of Armory is an unbelievably confusing but comprehensive descriptive list of objects from seventeenth century English life. Just above the

[LUTE] Re: Harton 1598 Folger

2018-10-22 Thread David Van Edwards
I should have said, since images don't get transmitted, that it was a 9 course 1x1, 8x2 and that any treble rider was out of sight in that photo, but I have another which shows that there was no treble rider and shows the correct number of pegs for the 9 course as above. Weirdly Dolmetsch

[LUTE] Re: Harton 1598 Folger

2018-10-21 Thread David Van Edwards
Well here it is before the surgery!! Best wishes, David At 19:50 +0200 21/10/18, Martin Shepherd wrote: >Dear All, > >Does anyone have any information/drawings etc of the Harton lute >(dated 1598) in the Folger Shakespeare Library? > >The photos I have suggest the original was an 8c lute, with

[LUTE] Re: Music stands

2018-10-20 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Martin, Ah yes, Jakob Lindberg has a very clever, light but complex, stand made of [I think] foam boards covered with a black cloth which takes quite a bit of setting up. He was giving a recital here in a small medieval room in Norwich and at the last minute, just as Jakob was advancing

[LUTE] Re: The awful German language

2018-09-09 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Rainer, Now all is revealed, I've long loved this reading of the Mark Twain essay of the same name and now I see that it is read by one Rainer! Could it be you? https://librivox.org/the-awful-german-language-by-mark-twain/ Best wishes, David At 15:05 +0200 9/9/18, Rainer wrote:

[LUTE] Re: Straps

2018-08-16 Thread David Van Edwards
Well yes I fear so! Out of my searchable database of (now) 2060 images which I've been collecting for years there are just 49 with a lute strap in use! And most of those are archlutes or theorbos. I think this is indeed a serious question. An initial part of this database has been uploaded

[LUTE] Re: another lute nativity - 6 courses in 1475?

2018-04-30 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Ron, Well it would be nice to be sure about the playing technique but to be honest I can't see a plectrum in either hand. There is just the faintest shadow that might be a remnant of plectrum over the first finger of the left hand lutenist but I wouldn't swear to it. Though of course

[LUTE] Re: another lute nativity - 6 courses in 1475?

2018-04-30 Thread David Van Edwards
Yes this one is well known and it does indeed look as if they have sunken roses like those of Gerard David but the painting has been "cleaned" to within an inch of its life, certainly the strings did not survive! Your earlier one by circle of Caporali was unknown to me so thank you very much

[LUTE] Re: Gegen Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens

2018-02-17 Thread David Van Edwards
the German words - but I cannot judge, if it is good English. Probably it would be better to exchange the order of the words: Against stupidity Gods themselves fight in vain - or (another try): Against stupidity even Gods fight in vain Best regards Markus Am 16.02.2018 um 22:18 schrieb David V

[LUTE] Re: Gegen Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens

2018-02-16 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Rainer, Interestingly Google translate offers the following for your subject line. In some ways it's a more subtle concept than the proper translation! "Against stupidity Gods fight themselves in vain" Best wishes, David At 19:11 +0100 16/2/18, Rainer wrote: Dear lute netters, A

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzig

2018-02-15 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Howard, You are absolutely right, we need constantly to remember that. At the conclusion of a piece I wrote about the timber trade for lutemakers I put the following totally unscientific guesstimate. This is in the context of just 826 surviving lutes of all periods including

[LUTE] Interesting exhibition featuring lute opens today in Yale

2018-02-14 Thread David Van Edwards
The Paston Treasure: Microcosm of the Known World The Paston Treasure, a huge painting from Norwich Castle, England, showing part of the collection of Robert Paston the Earl of Yarmouth c.1665 features a prominent life-size image of a 12 course lute and less prominently

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

2018-02-13 Thread David Van Edwards
___ From: David Van Edwards <da...@vanedwards.co.uk> To: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Luca Manassero <l...@manassero.net>; baroque-lute <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2018, 14:21 Subject: [BAROQUE-LU

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

2018-02-13 Thread David Van Edwards
I forgot that this list doesn't show images so here's a link instead to the monster. Beware! http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Hoffmann.htm David At 14:21 + 13/2/18, David Van Edwards wrote: --_-693590822==_ma===Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; form

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

2018-02-13 Thread David Van Edwards
--_-693590822==_ma===Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233 David At 12:21 + 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote: >Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels >

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course swan-neck lute in Leipzing

2018-02-12 Thread David Van Edwards
I measured it many years ago. handwritten label: Joh: Christ: Hoffmann // Königl. Poln: und Churfl. // Sächs. Jnstrument // und Lautenmacher. // Leipzig, 1720. //. plus a repair label by Hoffmann dated 1732 Therefore conceivable that the swan neck was added then, but Hoffmann is usually

[LUTE] Re: 13 corse baroque lute looking for a responsible owner :)

2017-10-06 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Markus, I'm glad the differences weren't greater! I've taken mine from either my own measurements or the various paper plans issued. Michael Fleming did an interesting comparison of different measurements from different professional makers of the same viols and found significant

[LUTE] Re: Interesting painting showing a French theorbo

2017-10-04 Thread David Van Edwards
the nut and the first fret. A double fret for mean tone perhaps; or maybe just a blob of paint! The ribs seem to be quite deeply scalloped don't you think? Best, Matthew On 04/10/2017 14:19, David Van Edwards wrote: There's an interesting painting showing the back and part of the lower pegbox

[LUTE] Interesting painting showing a French theorbo

2017-10-04 Thread David Van Edwards
There's an interesting painting showing the back and part of the lower pegbox of a French theorbo with its distinctive pierced fretwoork pegbox and chanterelle slot. It is coming up for auction in Vienna on 17/10/17 and can be seen here:

[LUTE] Re: Mace's lute-dyphone

2017-09-03 Thread David Van Edwards
It was shown and played at a recent Lute Society meeting https://www.facebook.com/events/386004838221612 Antonio Dattis http://www.antoniodattis.it/lutherie/ has produced a working drawing of the instrument. Best wishes, David At 06:40 + 3/9/17, Anthony Hart wrote: --

[LUTE] Re: UNICODE Test ÜÄÖ üäö à é

2017-07-29 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Rainer, Just to check, this is using the normal Mac keystrokes for diacriticals, I wonder if it will be mangled by the Lute Net software? Ü Ä Ö ä ö ü é â è Best wishes, David At 14:20 +0200 29/7/17, Rainer wrote: I have sent this mail with utf-8 encoding and everything looks OK.

[LUTE] Possible Summer School to make a theorbo

2017-01-02 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear All, This year I might again be doing an international summer workshop in Norwich, as the Lute Society has need of another theorbo for hire to members. If we do, it is likely to be in late July or early August. To get a flavour of what is involved have a look at this webpage:

[LUTE] Re: Arabella Hunt 1662-1705

2016-06-10 Thread David Van Edwards
You might also like the original painting on which the engraving was based: http://artuk.org/discover/artworks/mrs-arabella-hunt-16621705-playing-a-lute-28603 Best wishes, David At 16:02 -0400 10/6/16, theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu wrote: I have recently become fascinated by

[LUTE] Re: Not really a lute question but...

2016-05-10 Thread David Van Edwards
Indeed what a resource, thank you! I originally bought the CD from the Lute Society but had to send it back because it didn't work on a Mac, so it had more problems than were quite justifiable right from the start. BTW have you noticed the heretical drawing of a *lute* player on the

[LUTE] Re: (S) Light weight case for Renaissance Lute

2016-04-21 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Christian, "Affordable" and "carbon" don't go together! If you or a friend have the time and inclination, this is certainly both very affordable and very lightweight. http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/catalogue#m (The second item in the list.) Any questions, do ask me. Best wishes,

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Question about the fretboard of a Baroque lute

2016-03-09 Thread David Van Edwards
To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Hidalgo Fret pattern

2016-01-02 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Andreas, On your Hidalgo question, as people have been pointing out it is a treatise on perspective not on fretting. So he even has the division of the stringlength wrong for fretting purposes. He says divide the stringlength into 16 parts whereas the the nearest whole number

[LUTE] Re: A Lute of Six Courses

2016-01-01 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Martin and Sterling, I happened to have a copy of Barley to hand and have checked and his two woodcuts of lutes don't show octaves on any of the six courses. Also a quick glance through his version of Le Roy's rules doesn't show any reference to octaves at all, though I may have missed

[LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

2015-11-24 Thread David Van Edwards
Van Edwards wrote: However I think the painting I discussed was simply copying the prop[s] from Eglon van der Neer's works! The physical impossibility of holding such a lute in such a position without grossly disturbing the diapason strings makes me think that the painting has

[LUTE] Another lute picture?

2015-11-24 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear All, My Lute of the Month series has dwindled to lute of the Year these days! It's because I've mainly been writng them for the Lute Society's newsletter, Lute News, now it has a nice full colour cover. But here is the latest, as it were more public, example up on the web

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Obtaining good quality clear tape

2015-06-03 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Luke, I use clear polypropylene tape from Rajapack, a French firm who deal via the internet but in Europe only. http://www.rajapack.co.uk/packaging-tape-strapping/packaging-tape/28-micron-polypropylene-tape-clear-25mmx66m-pack-of-72_P25C.html I see they make a stronger 35 micron tape but

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Early flamenco guitars

2015-04-11 Thread David Van Edwards
I know nothing about guitars but from lutemaking experence it is perfectly possible to glue the thin piece of rosewood onto an unvarnished spruce top and then to remove it again without any damage at all to the spruce..so long as you use hide glue. Which of course would have been the

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Swan Neck Baroque Lute for sale

2014-06-23 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear All, The variation in historical models is very wide. You might be interested in these examples. Players should choose for their own comfort. BRUNER, Martin 1764Prague 152 BURKHOLZER, Hanns 1596Vienna KHM 44 / 4056 / NE 48

[LUTE] Lutemaking workshop in Duluth, Fall of 2014

2013-11-02 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear All, Some of you might be interested in the Summer/Fall lutemaking workshop being run in Duluth next year. A couple of lutes will be made in nine days, one renaissance and one baroque, to be donated to the Lute Society of America for use as hire instruments to introduce people to the

[LUTE] Biography of Diana Poulton

2013-09-19 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear All, Just a small shameless plug on behalf of Thea Abbott who has just published her biography of the lute pioneer, Diana Poulton, who founded the Lute Society and taught most of the major players of today. Diana Poulton is best known as one of the 20th century's pioneers of early

[LUTE] Re: Portrait of William Lawes holding a lute

2013-07-28 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Bill, Thanks very much for alerting us to that. No, I don't know the picture at all and I notice that the first question in the comments section is asking where it is. No answer as yet, maybe he will respond later. There is also the conjecture which Lynda Sayce put forward that his

[LUTE] Re: Portrait of William Lawes holding a lute

2013-07-28 Thread David Van Edwards
luthiers, and so we get this wonderful variety in the iconography. Kind regards, Bill From: David Van Edwards da...@vanedwards.co.uk To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 12:26 Subject

[LUTE] Re: The golden rose

2013-06-20 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Luca, Yes there are 8 surviving lutes that I know of with gilded roses. 1. The 16th century lute by Wolfgang Wolf currently in Füssen Museum has a gilded rose. Impossible to say if it is original as it has certainly been roughly gilded since then. 2.Lute by Jakob Langenwalder [Füssen

[LUTE] Re: Satoh - de Visée

2013-04-12 Thread David Van Edwards
If so, it was restored by Nico van de Waals and there are nice photos of it inside and out(!) in Andreas Schlegel's book Die Laute in Europa 2 on page 97 Best wishes, David At 14:15 + 12/4/13, Braig, Eugene wrote: I'm guessing this is the Laurentius Greiff (1610) lute that appears on

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Bill, Casein glue was certainly used extensively in the middle ages by painters to join the boards of their painting panels before preparing with gesso etc. In fact quite a common recorded item in the invoices they submitted to their commissioning patrons was for the cheese needed to

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Bill, Margaret beat me to it with the detailed quotes from Cennini and Thompson but while I was looking at the Cennini I noticed that his recipe for fish glue says that it was used for lute mending, It sounds from the word leaf as if it is isinglass: HOW FISH

[LUTE] Re: Lute for Sturt

2013-02-28 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Alan, Therefore he collected music for the whole gamut of renaissance lutes! the six course lute is rather a different instrument from the 10 course and different again from the 12 course. See this brief history of the lute http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/history1.htm for some

[LUTE] Re: Origins of bowing.

2013-02-18 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Mthias, Well clapping as a way of showing appreciation at the end of a play is thought to be referred to in the closing speech of Prospero in The Tempest. In bold here, and presumably some sort of cheering is meant by the following couplet. EPILOGUE SPOKEN BY PROSPERO

[LUTE] Re: Origins of bowing.

2013-02-18 Thread David Van Edwards
into it, as in 'bowing and scraping'. Both words also apply to what people do to members of the violin family. Bill From: David Van Edwards da...@vanedwards.co.uk To: Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes

2013-02-07 Thread David Van Edwards
Yes, as far as I have observed no lutes were made using support blocks, however obvious it would be to give strength. In fact one of the commonest problems with amateur made instruments is the tendency to make things too strong. It is a maxim to bear in mind that lutes sound best when right on

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes

2013-02-07 Thread David Van Edwards
I jest of course, but in some ways it IS nerve-wracking for just that reason! David Yikes! How do professional lute makers manage to sleep at night, with their products ready to go 'pop' at any moment? Bill From: David Van Edwards da...@vanedwards.co.uk To: William Samson

[LUTE] Re: Lute painting

2013-02-04 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Bill, I assume one of these. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/93.tif Sixtus Rauwolf Augsburg 1599 now in Copenhagen No. 93 This is the sole survivor of this type that Molenaer made famous. But your painting has the lower strings offset in in a strange, rather excessive, manner. Maybe a case

[LUTE] Re: Lute painting

2013-02-04 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Stephen, No, rare as hens teeth! A little while ago I put together a page about their apparent lack of use here: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/straps.htm I must add this new picture to the collection. Best wishes, DAvid At 07:32 -0800 4/2/13, Stephen Fryer wrote: On 04/02/2013 5:54 AM,

[LUTE] Re: Lute painting

2013-02-04 Thread David Van Edwards
, hitherto unknown lute type. Best regards, Bill From: David Van Edwards da...@vanedwards.co.uk To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 15:07 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Lute painting Dear

[LUTE] Re: Lute painting

2013-02-04 Thread David Van Edwards
to the painting by J.G. Platzer; an apparently non-offset theorbo neck extension. -Original Message- From: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk To: David Van Edwards da...@vanedwards.co.uk Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, Feb 4, 2013 1:53 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute painting Hi

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Sellas theorbo bridge

2013-02-01 Thread David Van Edwards
and David, Here's a pdf scan of three not very good and now discoloured photographs I took at the time I made the drawing of M255 in 1983. Maybe they can help a little bit. Best wishes, Paul www.paulrans.com On 31 Jan 2013, at 17:35, David Van Edwards wrote: Dear Julien, The best I have

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Sellas theorbo bridge

2013-02-01 Thread David Van Edwards
photographs I took at the time I made the drawing of M255 in 1983. Maybe they can help a little bit. Best wishes, Paul www.paulrans.com On 31 Jan 2013, at 17:35, David Van Edwards wrote: Dear Julien, The best I have is now up on the website at http

[LUTE] Re: lute iconography on the web

2013-01-31 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Martin, One of the best is Klassiskgitar at: http://www.klassiskgitar.net/imagesmain.html Also Alfonso Marin's http://www.lutevoice.com/luteiconography/Page%201.html Best wishes, David At 17:29 +0100 31/1/13, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi All, Can someone remind me of the best sources

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Sellas theorbo bridge

2013-01-31 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Julien, The best I have is now up on the website at http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/bridge255.jpg The treble side is clearly a bit damaged but the bass end shows it to be a sort of arrow head on the end of standard curly arm. A bit like the end of the Devil's tail? Best wishes, David

[LUTE] Re: lute iconography on the web

2013-01-31 Thread David Van Edwards
appears to me to be unison stringing from the 6th course down- octaves only on 7 8. Anybody else notice this? -Dan On 1/31/2013 9:24 AM, David Van Edwards wrote: Dear Martin, One of the best is Klassiskgitar at: http://www.klassiskgitar.net/imagesmain.html Also Alfonso Marin's http

[LUTE] Lute essay

2012-12-21 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear All, I have just re-worked one of my old lute of the month essays to include some corrections and some new information from a nice exhibition about the life of Prince Henry at the National Portrait Gallery as well as some new scans of the main pictures.

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-19 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Jaroslaw, That's fascinating, I'd never looked for a high res image and had never noticed. I'm sure you're right that the coloured strings imply octave stringing, rare up as far as the 3rd course though it is. The empty nut grooves for 2 top strings are a bit more of a

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-19 Thread David Van Edwards
Sorry, correction, I miscounted the diapasons it's 12 course instrument, even odder. Though, if she was given to wholesale restringing, it could imply a restrung theorbo (or more likely archlute given the apparent size) with the normal 8 single diapasons becoming here four octave

[LUTE] Re: wheels for theorbo

2012-06-18 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Richard, Last year I put a small hook on Lynda Sayce's theorbo case to take these wheels and it has been a great success. http://www.kcstrings.com/bass-buggie It is much better than using skateboard wheels and deals with rough ground easily. Can be taken on and off as needed and is light

[LUTE] Re: wheels for theorbo

2012-06-18 Thread David Van Edwards
, David At 23:07 +0200 18/6/12, David van Ooijen wrote: I saw those wheels in action on double basses. Love them and indeed they are better than my skate board wheels. A hook on the theorbo case would be enough? Great idea! David On 18 June 2012 17:55, David Van Edwards da...@vanedwards.co.uk

[LUTE] Re: Dürer

2012-05-04 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Andreas, A wonderful resource! Thank you. And thank you Zürich! It is of course an illustration of a concept rather than a plausible device. Consider the palaver involved in actually taking the successive measurements. But a very nice lute. Also have a look at page 100 with its

[LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?

2012-04-08 Thread David Van Edwards
This seems a good moment to wheel out the piece from several years ago that still alas applies! Best wishes, David From the LS newsletter, November 1993: Buying a lute, 1551 === Good morrow, Master Laux; I wish to buy a lute. Good morrow, kind Sir; here

[LUTE] Re: Lute: Air Travel Advice

2012-01-23 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Philip, There is a very good page of advice about travelling by air with lute written by Lynda Sayce on her website at: http://www.theorbo.com/Writings/Flying.htm She has a lot of experience and her advice is detailed, practical and sensible. Good luck with your trip. David At 19:50

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Neck veneer inlay

2011-12-01 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Paul, As it happens you can see stages in the process in the lute I'm building at the moment. https://picasaweb.google.com/113751643198470818818/WhatIAmBuildingAtTheMoment?authuser=0feat=embedwebsite I do work the inlay flat and then bend it. The full instructions on how to bend veneer

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