Arne Keller
Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:53:58 -0700
MO wrote:
So let me make an offer you cannot refuse: stop your anti-guitar and
anti-MO campaign in this forum, and you will never hear from me
again. Not you and not your cyber body-guard Turovsky. Do I make myself
clear?
You do, very clear
- Original Message -
From: Roman Turovsky
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:42 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo
from Arthur on the merits of the issues at hand. Dr.
Arthur Joseph
Stonewall PH.D. is a well known figure in these parts.
What I am
getting
of guitar music in
tablature notation, Heck doesn't even mention it in his
Giuliani monograph, publ. by Orphee.
ajn
- Original Message -
From: Roman Turovsky
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:42 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo
from Arthur on the merits
At 02:50 AM 8/15/2005, Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With all due respect, I think I know a bit more about
the history of guitar than does Matanya. For example,
does he know that Madame Robert Sidney-Pratten published
a posthumous work by Leonardo Schultz that she played
with great
-
From: Matanya Ophee
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 12:41 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo
At 06:24 AM 8/14/2005, Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is what I mean about misrepresentation. I did not refer to
OPhee's edition because
At 02:50 AM 8/15/2005, Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
does he know
that Giuliani published a book of guitar music in
tablature notation, Heck doesn't even mention it in his
Giuliani monograph, publ. by Orphee.
Which Giuliani? there are 7 Giulianis in the Columbus OH telephone
directory,
At 02:45 PM 8/15/2005, Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not going to be drawn into a debate about Madame Robert
Sidney-Pratten, the famous guitar virtuosa of the Victorian era. I
do not understand why Matanya considers this a proper topic for this
lute list.
Oops... you have already
At 09:12 PM 8/15/2005, I wrote:
At 02:45 PM 8/15/2005, Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not going to be drawn into a debate about Madame Robert
Sidney-Pratten, the famous guitar virtuosa of the Victorian era. I
do not understand why Matanya considers this a proper topic for this
lute
, is now in the Boston Museum of
Fine Arts.
- Original Message -
From: Roman Turovsky
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:55 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo
To present this as your recent find, when you knew damn well that I
published
At 06:24 AM 8/14/2005, Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is what I mean about misrepresentation. I did not refer to
OPhee's edition because it is so filled with mistakes. Mistakes
that were first pointed out by Erik Stenstadvolrt in a review in
Classical Guitar magazine. I
from Arthur on the merits of the issues at hand. Dr. Arthur Joseph
Stonewall PH.D. is a well known figure in these parts. What I am
getting out of this is the simple matter of making a public record
which establishes the fact that in spite of his vast knowledge of
lute matters, Arthur
: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:49 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo
Besides, Ophee's edition has so many mistakes, I couldn't refer to it to
make my point about Beethoven influences.
MO deliberately inserts mistakes into his editions, to track down
potential piracy. A scholarly type, isn't he
faulty edition, since the piece is readily available from
Copenhagen, without Ophee's heavy-handed mis-editing.
- Original Message -
From: Jon Murphy
To: Arthur Ness ; Lute Net ; Roman Turovsky
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 3:37 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo
At 06:18 PM 8/12/2005, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IOW, you are assuming that a simple discussion of plagiarism, on
which there is no question, would necessarily deteriorate in this
forum into personal insults and name calling. You are right, and
Roman Turovsky did not waste
At 11:33 PM 8/12/2005, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am listening. Intently.
To yourself.
Once again, you are exactly right. There is no chance in tarnation
that Arthur Ness will ever respond to the challenge, and for two
simple reasons:
1. he hasn't a clue of where he got
At 11:55 PM 8/12/2005, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To present this as your recent find, when you knew damn well that I
published this piece in paper format in 1984, and when it ran out of
print, I posted it on line in 1997, at which time you chose to
criticize it on RMCG, in
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo / Pirates of Penance
Dear Jon,
I don't understand why you are writing to me. Piracy and Pirate are a
proper terms used by bibliographers to refer to a publisher who puts out works
previously published by others
the owner fined. The fine
would go to the publisher whose works were pirated by Phalese.
- Original Message -
From: Arthur Ness
To: Jon Murphy ; Lute Net ; Roman Turovsky
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo / Pirates of Penance
Dear Jon
: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo / Pirates of Penance
Arthur,
Copyright laws were first passed in England in 1712. The previous laws
consisted of publisher's privileges, which essentially meant that the
authors did not get any share
At 01:23 PM 8/13/2005, Arthur wrote:
To catch modern day pirates Ophee changes a few notes in his
editions of public domain music, so that when someone else publishes
the same pieces with his alterations he can charge them with
copyright infringement. Of course one can go back to the
At 11:18 PM 8/12/2005, you wrote:
Arthur wrote:
I'll stand on my F naturals, which both MO and ES turn to F sharps.
My original printed edition did have the F naturals, and that was the
point on which Erik criticized it. Eventually, in our discussions on
RMCG, you were the one who told me
Get your tickets to this flame war early...
Matanio Opheo wrote:
If you are saying that some Austrians used Italianized names, you are
breaking the lock on an open door. We know that already. If you
intimate that just because one Austrian football coach working in
Italy had an Italianized
Personally, I think that Michael Thames and Matanya Ophee are one and
the same person - the timing is just too weird: one goes, the other one
arrives...
But I don't recall M.O. mentioning being a luthier or M.T. mentioning
publishing. Maybe it's a case of split personality?
Alain
Howard
At 04:00 PM 8/12/2005, Alain Veylit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I think that Michael Thames and Matanya Ophee are one and
the same person - the timing is just too weird: one goes, the other one
arrives...
But I don't recall M.O. mentioning being a luthier or M.T. mentioning
publishing.
Howard Posner wrote:
Get your tickets to this flame war early...
IOW, you are assuming that a simple discussion of plagiarism, on
which there is no question, would necessarily deteriorate in this
forum into personal insults and name calling. You are right, and
Roman Turovsky did not waste
] Re: Leonardo Sciulzzo
IOW, you are assuming that a simple discussion of plagiarism, on
which there is no question, would necessarily deteriorate in this
forum into personal insults and name calling. You are right, and
Roman Turovsky did not waste any time changing the subject
Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:28:06 -0700 Arthur Ness wrote:
I really dislike seeing my words misrepresented on these pages,
first by Thames/Haskins, and now Ophee.
My sympathy to you. It is indeed difficult to see one's words
misrepresented. It is even more difficult to see complete distortion
and
To present this as your recent find, when you knew damn well that I
published this piece in paper format in 1984, and when it ran out of
print, I posted it on line in 1997, at which time you chose to
criticize it on RMCG, in other words, you knew that it was there, is
nothing short of a
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