I broke a 5th course string on my 7 course lute and now it looks like
the other one is about to break. Has anyone seen similar wear patterns?
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to save the second string
that looks like it could break at any moment?
I made a video with two
Dear wise luters:
When converting strings from nylon to gut to a synthetic gut, are there
simple multiplication factors that one can use to determine the
diameter of a replacement string? For example, if I have a 1mm nylon
string, and I want to replace it with a gut or synthetic
Thanks to all who responded - as I live in France, I was asking on
someone else's behalf, hoping that (particularly in the case of nylgut)
that there might be someone who stocks these strings in the US and
therefore avoiding the postal costs of importing from Europe. It looks
as though
Chris Henriksen
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Near Boston, Mass
Wayne
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Hi All,
If you live in the US, can you tell me where you buy strings (nylgut,
nylon, gut, etc) in the US?
Aquilausa seems to be just a link to the producer, but I'd be glad to be
corrected. I'm looking for an easy-to-use online shop.
Thanks,
Martin
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Has anyone ever done any acoustic (oscilloscopic?) tests to determine just what
makes different string materials sound different? I.e., What is the overtone
profile for the materials?
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Has anyone come up with a technique to increase the life of gut trebles?
(besides switching to synthetics!) I get stray fibers very shortly after
installing one—still playable but the tone and intonation suffer.
Thanks!
Leonard Williams
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Can anyone recommend a good online string calculator? I used to use
Arto's, but I'm currently being blocked by Java on my Mac (running Sierra
OS 10.12). Or perhaps someone more tech savvy than I (easily done!)
knows a work-around.
Thanks and regards,
Leonard Williams
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I've been unable to use Arto's new calculator because of Java. I used
to work with the Hasenfuss's calculator but the page is down. Is he out
of business?
Can anyone point to another calculator online?
Thanks.a
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No, it doesn't - that's part of the myth.
This has interesting implications for our usual thinking about string
tensions in general - I think we are still using tensions somewhat
higher than our 16th/17th century forebears, and it doesn't always lead
to a better result:
When it
Collective wisdom:
Here's something I've noticed about how my gut strings wear out.
Question is, does this have anything to do with my LH technique??
Most wear occurs between frets 1 and 2 (b and c). Obviously those notes
get played a lot.
But--most of the wear occurs on
a string with ideal properties, and strings used on some
non-western instruments use this type of string--the wire is on
the
inside, so it does not affect the pluck. However, no one makes
this
lute string,
Dan Larson makes Gimpoed (gut on metal). Savarez makes gut on carbon
Hi,
I'm wondering if anybody has done a survey of string spacing on extant
lutes? The few examples I have seen show considerable variation - for
example the 7-c Venere with 59 cm string length shows exceptionally
close spacing (if memory serves it's arond 35mm across the first six
Dear Collective Wisdom,
Up until now I've mostly used nylon for my lute strings and it seems to
be the case that nylon can't be used below the third course because
fretted notes will not be true due to the material being too stiff.
I have successfully used ordinary gut for a 4th
Dear all,
I have a little problem, my lute maker who always helps me with my strings is
far away till december.
My lute is tuned in 415, and I need to go to 440, and I am really bad in
calculating, so maybe there is
someone who is able to do that without too much effort? I would be really
All,
I'm wondering about people's different experiences with spacing between
courses. I'm currently playing a 6-course lute with a spacing of 1.2
cms between courses, and I can't believe how much better my thumb-under
technique feels after having developed it on a lute with a
Hi,
What's the current thinking on string tensions for lutes? Presumably
it depends to some extent on the particular lute. Figures I've heard
range from 2kg to 3.5 kg per string which is quite a big range. Any
views?
Thanks,
Bill
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Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011, 2:37
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string
I was a happy as well as heavy capo user on lutes, in my days of
plastic metal wound strings and equal fretting. But all gut on a
R-lute means from very thin to very thick strings, something the
average capo cannot handle very well. On top of that, unequal fretting
(and even in ET you'll need to
Check out the 12 string capo.
[1]http://preview.tinyurl.com/3kpnj9w
A simple idea but I don't know what material they would have had that
would work the way this simple plastic works. You would possibly have
to reset the spacing if you used it in more than one position on a
Capo on lute?
I use selfmade one:
[1]http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/_/m/_m_a_s_t_e_r_/DSCF6776.jpg
It's constructed as flamenco sejilla. Fits easily on any fret.
2011/8/25 Ed Durbrow [2]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp
Check out the 12 string capo.
: Renaissance lute string length
To: Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com, howard posner
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Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 10:23 AM
Is there any
evidence that capos were ever used with lutes?
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I capoed a ten course lute one time with a ballpoint pen and a some
rubber bands.
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Is there any evidence that capos were ever used with lutes?
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Maybe thees north korean guitar kids:
[1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG_dQC-cnk
[2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSedE5sU3uc
2011/8/20 Edward Mast [3]nedma...@aol.com
A friend just sent me a youtube showing 5 very young children
(Chinese or Japanese?) performing as
I believe they're North Korean.
Gary
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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 3:01 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
A friend just sent me
Yes, Eugene, these are the ones, from North Korea (not China or Japan).
On Aug 20, 2011, at 3:19 AM, Eugene Kurenko wrote:
Maybe thees north korean guitar kids:
[1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG_dQC-cnk
[2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSedE5sU3uc
2011/8/20 Edward Mast
, 2011 3:01 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
A friend just sent me a youtube showing 5 very young children (Chinese or
Japanese?) performing as an ensemble. They were playing full sized guitars
(none of this Suzuki 1/4 or 1/2 size for them!) which were bigger than
*
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
Yes, Eugene, these are the ones, from
A friend just sent me a youtube showing 5 very young children (Chinese or
Japanese?) performing as an ensemble. They were playing full sized guitars
(none of this Suzuki 1/4 or 1/2 size for them!) which were bigger than they
were. With their very small hands they were able to get around the
I play on 67cm and it's tuned in g A=440. It's possible to tune it
even in a A=440.
2011/8/17 Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com
Hello Martin,
Thank you for your observations on historical lute sizes and
string lengths. When you say that the 67cm size is perfect for
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
I play on 67cm and it's tuned in g A=440. It's possible to tune it
even in a A=440.
2011/8/17 Edward Mast [1][1]nedma...@aol.com
Hello Martin,
Thank you
As Ed says, not with gut strings.
M
On 18/08/2011 07:41, Eugene Kurenko wrote:
I play on 67cm and it's tuned in g A=440. It's possible to tune it
even in a A=440.
2011/8/17 Edward Mast[1]nedma...@aol.com
Hello Martin,
Thank you for your observations on historical
: Renaissance lute string length
I play on 67cm and it's tuned in g A=440. It's possible to tune it
even in a A=440.
2011/8/17 Edward Mast [1][5]nedma...@aol.com
Hello Martin,
Thank you for your observations on historical lute sizes and
string lengths. When
PS I'd say Eugene's photo is overdoing it a bit :D
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Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011, 8:38
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
Bill,
Did you mean thumb and little finger, or do you
On Aug 18, 2011, at 2:47 AM, William Samson wrote:
We all know what happened to
Robert Schumann's right hand when he tried to use some sort of device
to pull his fingers apart.
We don't, and he didn't. It's a myth caused by adding two and two and getting
nine.
Cordially yours,
Howard
more entertaining than facts.
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Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011, 18:10
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
On Aug 18, 2011, at 2:47 AM, William Samson wrote:
We all know what happened
On Aug 18, 2011, at 10:52 AM, William Samson wrote:
Incidentally I think I prefer the myth and it's much more memorable than the
truth.
Really? Would you still think so if I told you the truth was that an aardvark
bit Schumann's right index finger?
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
On Aug 18, 2011, at 10:52 AM, William Samson wrote:
Incidentally I think I prefer the myth and it's much more memorable
than the truth.
Really? Would you still think so if I
On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:03 AM, William Samson wrote:
PS What was he doing to the aardvark? That could be interesting too.
He was biting the aardvark, obviously. Aardvarks never bite pianists except in
self defense.
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Howard... I thought it was a jealous violinist who nearly bit off his
thu.no, wait! It was his aardvark pet! I understand that
aardvarks _do_ bite lutenists thumbs. Sorry, I am unable to quote the source.
At 01:07 PM 8/18/2011, howard posner wrote:
On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:03 AM,
Hi All,
I don't think there was ever a norm for string length. Lutes were
always made in a variety of sizes, and if our focus today is on solo
lute music that is not necessarily typical of what happened in the
past. Many people sang to the lute, and the guiding principle would
have been
Hello Martin,
Thank you for your observations on historical lute sizes and string
lengths. When you say that the 67cm size is perfect for us, I'm not sure if
you're talking about a g lute tuned to A=440, or a lower tuning. (Since I play
with ensemble players whose instruments are at
Hi Ned,
You can't tune a 67cm lute in g' at a'=440. The preferred pitch would
be in the region of a'=392, which is why we often talk of a lute in
F. Life would be a whole lot simpler if the modern standard early
music pitch was a'=392 instead of a'=415. There is no such thing
Oops, I just realized my mistake - in the Waissel example, the first two
courses were covered by the second finger, not the first.
M
On 17/08/2011 21:49, Martin Shepherd wrote:
Hi Ned,
You can't tune a 67cm lute in g' at a'=440. The preferred pitch would
be in the region of a'=392, which
Hi Martin,
I see. I assume then that the 60 cm string length has become common because
many players are using g tuning with a=440, though I also assume a bit longer
mensur - 63 or 64 cm - might still work with that tuning(?).
And, of course, the Waissel fingering you mention is more
Hi Ned,
Yes, it is true what Martin is saying, in that
the iconographical sources of existing lutes, do
seem to call for larger instruments. Yes, in out
times, we have used shorter, but i think the use
of larger instruments was the norm.
It is not easy to get 63 or 64 cm lengths to a in
On 10 August 2011 22:42, theoj89...@aol.com wrote:
Take great care with stretching exercises of the hand!! I deal fairly often
with musicians' injuries, and musicians are nearly as bad as competitive
athletes as far as abusing their bodies to try to get better performance.
I second that:
It may take few month to achieve good level of stretching. But one
should work very carefuly and slowly. Every day or (better) few times a
day regulary. Good warming-up before and massage with some hand-cream
(I used baby oil) after stretching.
Dowland and many others are possible
A fellow named Greg Irwin has a series of hand/finger exercises on YouTube
which are quite challenging, not damaging (as far as I can tell).
Regards,
Leonard Williams
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The more I read about the lute during the 16th century, the more it seems to me
that the norm for string length then was closer to 65 cm than the 60 cm which
seems more favored and common today. Are we (myself included) - who choose the
shorter mensur - wimps? If classical guitarists of all
Good question. I prefer bigger lutes, more than 60 cm. Actually,
browsing the beautiful iconography posted recently here, I noticed a
great incidence of large instruments. Some, almost too large for modern
standards.
Bruno Correia.
2011/8/10 Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com
From interview with Paul O'Dette:
Q: Much lute music would seem to be played more easily on smaller
instruments than today's typical G lute, yet contemporary paintings
don't show a preponderance of such small instruments. People living
then certainly weren't bigger than us. Did
, 2011 12:59 PM
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Subject: [LUTE] Renaissance lute string length
The more I read about the lute during the 16th century, the more it seems
to me that the norm for string length then was closer to 65 cm than the 60
cm which seems more favored and common today. Are we (myself
Thank you Bruno and both Eugenes,
Paul O'Dette's comments are very interesting - I'll read the whole
interview, Eugene. ( I wonder what string length P O uses on his Renaissance
lutes). Yes, scale passages are not a problem with longer string lengths, I'm
sure. I would expect the
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
Thank you Bruno and both Eugenes,
Paul O'Dette's comments are very interesting - I'll read the whole
interview, Eugene. ( I wonder
: Renaissance lute string length
Thank you Bruno and both Eugenes,
Paul O'Dette's comments are very interesting - I'll read the whole
interview, Eugene. ( I wonder what string length P O uses on his
Renaissance
lutes). Yes, scale passages are not a problem with longer string
lengths, I'm
On Aug 10, 2011, at 1:42 PM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote:
Take great care with stretching exercises of the hand!! I deal fairly often
with musicians' injuries, and musicians are nearly as bad as competitive
athletes as far as abusing their bodies to try to get better performance.
Remember
aggressively. Just a reminder
trj
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
Thank you Bruno and both Eugenes
Dear All,
Awhile back someone posted a fabulous video of a string making factory. Can
anyone send me that link?
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Hello, friends!
Does anybody by chance have any violin/cello parts for `Come la
rondinella' (the archlute aria from Handel's Tirsi, Clori, Fileno)?
Hoping to save myself some cutting/pasting or computer work! I can
handle Finale, Sibelius, or Fronimo files.
Thanks so
This question must have been touched several times, but as I am rarely
pleased with the string tension on my lute I'll raise it once more: Is
it better to have the chanterelle at 36 N? the conversion is about 3.67
Kg. The problem is that nylgut gets thinner with age and this affects
In working my way through David Talyer's graduate thesis on Dowland
(great fun) I came across the statement regarding Dowland's stringing
(p.82): The very highest string, tuned as high as it could stand
(modern players, incidentally tend to make do with one half to two
thirds this
Hi David,
As I got some money I am considering ordering a better Renaissance lute
and a vihuela (not clear which kind, as I have rarely an opportunity to
try vihuelas, and audio files, CDs etc. are not always so telling as
needed for narrowing down one's options... but I think this
baroque
lute, string length 68cm . One of the problems with a new type of lute
is
the tone production. And what makes it tricky is that the playing
technique
and string properties are connected in many ways. And when there are
more
than one parameters that can be changed, it can
Dear baroque lutenists,
I'm starting with a new (well, used 1993 Lars Jönsson) 11-course baroque
lute, string length 68cm . One of the problems with a new type of lute is
the tone production. And what makes it tricky is that the playing technique
and string properties are connected in many ways
Hi
My lute has not arrived yet, and I know it's coming in with ancient
strings on it.
To get the most out of an 8co. Larry Brown lute at 640mm, what would
you all suggest as a brand of strings
to use? Keep in mind I don't really want to use gut, even though that
would be my
Does anyone know of a chart that compares various manufacturers strings with
plain gut (equivalent diameters)? I found a chart with some of this
information, but it is not complete--there are some metal wound strings I
own that are not listed at all for their maker. The on-line calculators are
Hello!
Paul Beier's string calculator gives at the bottom of the screen the
total string tension at the bridge. Can anyone tell me whether there is
a single maximum tension beyond which one cannot safely go, or does it
differ for each instrument depending on a set of variables,
Question 1:
For an 8 course Renaissance lute, what would be considered an appropriate
string height
range measured where the neck joins the body? I'm new to lute, and although my
teacher
says he's surprised that my budget EMS lute is really pretty good, I feel the
string height
might be
Dear collective wisdom,
What carbonfiber guages would be appropriate in your opinion for octaves A
and B at 97cm, and C, D and E at 87.5cm?
Thanks in advance,
RT
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On occasion the topic of authentic pitch arises: to what G, e.g.,
was a lute tuned? Thre's that old dictum of tuning the treble to just
before it breaks. So--my question is: What is the breaking pitch
(frequency) of gut?
Regards,
Leonard Williams
/[ ]
/ \
I don't have a 6c and have never read Francesco's works on such an
instrument, but I would like to know from the collective experience here at
what length of string does it become very difficult to play his works? The
lute in the portrait of him playing (if it is indeed him) seems to have
quite a
December 30th, 2007
Dear Lutenists:
3 Lute strings walk into a bar, the first one orders a scotch, the second
lute string orders an orange liquer, the third lute string says d'Aquila and
nibbles on the neck of the Lute string beside him.
with thanks,
Rebecca
Dear all
Some time ago there was some conversation about stringing - especially the
problem of gut diapasons - there were some suggestions about using low
tension stringing. I am expecting a new 11 course lute within the next couple
of months and am considering how to string it and would be
Dear lutenists, I have been very confused lately about the right string
tension for my lute. For a 8 course lute in g 59 cm, what would be the
avarage tension in kg? All the courses must have the same tension?
Any help will be welcomed.
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Left hand presses the string against the fingerboard and into the fret,
seems to me that this makes for more wear than RH thumb/fingers can do.
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I have a wound 5th course string, so maybe this is a little off-topic
:).
Anyhow, my wound strings are darker by the rose where the right thumb
touches them. But they are lighter close to the 3rd and 4th frets,
where the left-hand fingers touch them.
Thumb and fingers get washed about the
Dear All,
I would like some opinions and suggestions for string lengths on
theorbos as I'm researching possibilities for my next commission. I
really like gut strings, but dislike wound strings or synthetic
strings of any sort. I would like to find out how long does the
string length of
During periods of low humidity, as many of us know, a lute
undergoes internal stress, and can even break spontaneously.
I wonder (assuming I'm allowed to do that) whether string
tension helps or hurts a lute in these conditions.
In other words, in passing thru a desert, should one loosen
the
Marion,
I do like the color coding aspect of the graphite, it appeals to my love of
multiple function g. As to the methods I'd add a bit to number 3. I've
made relatively wide and shallow channels at the peg end of my nut ( that
avoids a sharp edge as the string goes to the peg - important on my
There are alternatives to graphite: teflon plumber's
tape and a commercial product called Guitar Grease.
But I like graphite.
Of course, keep the lubricant away from your pegs (ie,
no liquid lubricants).
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There are alternatives to graphite: teflon plumber's
tape and a commercial product called Guitar Grease.
But I like graphite.
Of course, keep the lubricant away from your pegs (ie,
no liquid lubricants
Best regards,
Marion
Mezzosoprano, mandolino, mandola, musica in maggio,
mano di magia, meraviglia :)
Mezzogorgona.
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Dear Derek,
Don't you just hate that creaking sound? Welcome to the
wonderful world of non-linear peg tuning on pegbox lutes.
Your problem is not confined to cheap lutes. I have had
the same problem on both my cheap lute (which
If using sand paper, I would not only fine grit,
such as finer than 250, or even 400, finishing
off with 600 or 1200 if you can find it. If a small
adjustment will fix the problem there is no need for
anything more.
If you are tempted to go further, a little toothpaste on a soft cotton
One other thing in addition to the other suggestions of smoothing and
lubricating the grooves of the nut...
When tuning a string, I first loosen it just enough to break its friction
against the nut, then bring it up to pitch, slowly but steadily so the nut
doesn't grab it.
-Carl Donsbach
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If using sand paper, I would not only fine grit,
such as finer than 250, or even 400, finishing
off with 600 or 1200 if you can
I just bought a very cheap Renaissance lute. Tuning it
is a real problem. For instance, a string will be just
a little flat. I'll turn the peg with no response,
then all of a sudden it jumps up a half-step (this is
often accompanied by an ominous creaking sound). Is
this just because it's a cheap
Using your numbers, I calculate that to reach g at 440 Hz I could use a
lute up to 660 mm string length using 260 Hz x m.In fact I can't
get much above f with this string length. At 680 mm string length
most top strings are true for less than a week at f.I think your
numbers are too
Hello Tom,=20
the breaking point concerne a question of the vibrating string length =
dimension in relation to the note of the 1st string.=20
This is not so important, in matter or string lifetime,if you already =
have a lute of the right vibrating str. length.
In your case, may I give you some
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