Mel Wong will be installing these pegs in my 1968 Rubio as part of the
restoration. He has used them in the past and reports excellent
results. They are also relatively inexpensive. I am looking forward to
the experience.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
Principal Materials
I'm considering installation of geared pegs on my lute.
The website (http://www.pegheds.com) says that any
qualified repair person can do the installation. But
that is probably for violins, cellos, etc.
Would a violin repair person be able to do the installation?
Are there fundamental
All,
The discussion of pegs going out of round is interesting, but it isn't
addressing my original question, which was whether ebony was used in pre-1600
instrument building (or for that matter what other woods would have been used
in lieu of ebony) and if there is any documentation off
the material of which the back is made
and occasionally some other portion of the instrument, though not likely the
material for the pegs.
You will see a lot of yew, maple and ivory backs. You do have to allow for the
presence of a few forgeries in the list, and not every museum report is likely
Thank you, Daniel. That's greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Craig
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As far as I can tell ebony was not used a lot for tuning pegs
throughout the history of the lute - museum catalogues often describe
peg material as 'stained fruitwood'.
The iconography of pre-1580ish lutes shows that they usually had a
blonde finish, and that includes the pegs
be
much darker today. Most old wood stains that I know of were made from acid
with iron filings dissolved in the solution. I wonder what would happen to
egg white finishes on soundboards?
I wish I could remember where I read about ebony pegs going out of round.
It was in some article about
On Sep 28, 2013, at 5:48 PM, co...@medievalist.org wrote:
I know that today we know there's too much silica in ebony to use as tuning
pegs
This will come as a surprise to most of the violinists in the world.
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This is true about silica... And the fact that ebony dries at different
rates with and across the grain. I have recently noticed that a number of
fine violins have light colored pegs, possibly boxwood. I have observed
this more in recent years than in the 1970s and earlier. I wish I could
On Sep 29, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Chris Barker csbarker...@att.net wrote:
This is true about silica... And the fact that ebony dries at different
rates with and across the grain. I have recently noticed that a number of
fine violins have light colored pegs, possibly boxwood.
You'll find
In my 40 years of cello playing I've never encountered problems with the ebony
pegs on any of my instruments. Certainly I've never had any pegs go out of
round. On very old instruments, much played and tuned, the holes in the peg
box may become enlarged in which case a luthier will simply
Thank you for your comments. I am learning a lot from the members of this
website.
Chris
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Cc: 'howard posner'; 'lute list'
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Ebony Pegs
In my
Collected Wisdom,
I know that today we know there's too much silica in ebony to use as tuning
pegs, but I'm curious as to whether using ebony for pegs was a period practice
pre-1600? Can anyone point me to appropriate documentation on the types of
woods used on stringed instruments prior
One might of course thinking of inventing automatic pegs that each
time
the open string is played sense its tune and adjust it
automatically
Gibson has it.
David
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peg, push them in and they will be tighter, pull them
out, and looser. Whether in a tight or loose setting, they are
smooth. They never slip, never stick. This summer, with all the
humidity, I had no problems with stuck or slipping pegs they
stay, it pitch, where you put them
and where can those pegs be bought? Being from the old school,with
lutes built in 1980, I haven't always followed up on the lates
innovations...
A
Bruno
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Miles Dempster
[1]miles.demps...@gmail.com wrote:
..now, if somebody could double
I wonder if they sell the mechanism so you could use something other
than ebony. Most of my lutes use boxwood. The pegs also taper in size
down to very small ones on the upper peg box of my swan neck.
On a related topic, I use a tee handle peg wrench which allows very
delicate
You need the mechanical peg arms like inspector gadget (child
cartoon)...
-Message d'origine-
.now, if somebody could double the length of my left arm, it might be
possible to tune my theorbo diapasons on the fly!
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Try this: http://www.pegheds.com/
For photos,
see::
http://gamutmusic.squarespace.com/news/mechanical-pegs-now-available-at-gamut-music.html
ed
At 07:23 AM 8/17/2012, Bruno Fournier wrote:
and where can those pegs be bought? Being from the old school,with
lutes built in 1980, I
Bruno asked:
and where can those pegs be bought? Being from the old school,with
lutes built in 1980, I haven't always followed up on the lates
innovations...
http://www.pegheds.com/
Craig
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Your luthier can get them, or you may be able to buy them directly
from pegheds.com, as noted already.
However, installation of pegheds and other mechanical-advantage pegs
is not for beginners or the faint of heart. They must be glued into
the hole on one side of the pegbox, while the other side
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mechanical Pegs
OK, Nancy asked me to jump in, so I will.
The first experience with these pegheds was on Dan Winheld's 8-course
lute. I really liked them, a lot.
Then, about a year ago, I took my first plunge with these gears
(pegheds). I had them installed on my 6-course vihuela
Thanks to everyone for their comments on the pegs!
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On Aug 17, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Louis Aull wrote:
If you fear a peg slipping, something is not right with your
peg/pegbox. Keep the lute in the case
This prevents not only slipping, but a lot of tedious playing and practicing,
so it's a time-saver all around.
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is remarkable.
But I have hard time seeing how different pegs, even digital solar-powered
servo-assisted ones, would have anything to do with not needing to tune at all.
I can think of at least two likelier explanations: 1) your audience consisted
of people suffering from hypothermia and dehydration, or 2
of tuning diapasons to a different key!! That in itself is remarkable.
But I have hard time seeing how different pegs, even digital
solar-powered servo-assisted ones, would have anything to do with
not needing to tune at all. I can think of at least two likelier
explanations: 1) your audience
The first experience with these pegheds was on Dan Winheld's 8-course
lute. I really liked them, a lot.
Well, old pal, you just tried them out- you didn't have to live with
them! I suspect that as my lute was Dan's trial run with these things,
that not all the bugs (the pegs themselves
But I have hard time seeing how different pegs, even digital
solar-powered servo-assisted ones, would have anything to do with
not needing to tune at all.
One might of course thinking of inventing automatic pegs that each time
the open string is played sense its tune and adjust
Has anyone tried the mechanical pegs made by Pegheds? I have a customer
who is interested in replacing his traditional pegs with these. Any
comments are much appreciated.
Thanks.
Ken
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Dear Ken and All,
I had Pegheds installed on my Forrester cittern. I gig with the
instrument all the time and really needed to speed up the tuning, which
is much more finicky than the lute's.
The pegs work really well. I don't think they are as necessary for the
lute, but I can
I have mechanical pegs on my hurdy gurdy and they are fantastic. I'd certainly
be willing to try them on a lute -- I'm sure they would work well...
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I wonder if they weigh a lot more? An 8 course lute with pegs that are
an ounce heavier means a pegbox that is pound heavier.
Louis Aull
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Ed Martin needs to add to this discussion. He has a baroque lute with
peg heads and was showing it off to everyone in Cleveland. Those pegs
look great and work great. He told me they weighed a tiny bit mroe, but
he could not notice the difference.
Nancy
At 01:28 PM 8/16/2012
I have them on my 8 course lute- 62 cm. Have not weighed them, but I
feel no perceptible pegbox weight beyond the usual, which for this size
type of lute is negligible to non-existent. It would, of course, be
instructive to weigh one compare to normal pegs of comparable size
made from
One thing I do not like about traditional pegs is that it makes it
virtually impossible to tune on the fly. On a modern guitar with geared
tuners, I have no trouble finding time to reach up and make a
micro-adjustment while playing if needed. I would never dare do this on
the lute
On 8/16/2012 2:58 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote:
One thing I do not like about traditional pegs is that it makes it
virtually impossible to tune on the fly.
Not according to E.G. Baron: A master must be able to tune his
instrument instantly while playing, so
I spoke with the maker of 'Peghed' mechanical pegs and he said the pegs
weigh 6 grams. Most wooden pegs way somewhere between 3 and 3.5 gram or
so. For an 8-course lute, using 3.5 grams per wooden peg, this would
add about 37.5 grams or just under 1-1/3 ounces.
Ken
On 8/16/2012 1:28 PM
had no problems with stuck or slipping pegs they
stay, it pitch, where you put them. Speaking of tuning, they are
geared at 25% as compared to a peg. For example, if one wanted to
tune a half step sharp, one turns the gear 4 times further than when
using a traditional peg. That makes
personally weighed machine
heads and pegs, so I can't say how significant the added weight would actually
be.
On Jun 21, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
The almost universal application of pegs to lutes seems to have come about
because 1) historic lutes were no longer in widespread use
I do not know the exact weight, but the 8-course lute has 15 pegs, or
should I say, gears. The lute's neck felt as though it was light,
with absolutely no noticeable added weight.
At 12:33 AM 6/22/2010, howard posner wrote:
Weight is a major issue, especially when you're putting 24
pegs are far more
practical, I think.
Ned
On Jun 22, 2010, at 5:00 AM, Edward Martin wrote:
I do not know the exact weight, but the 8-course lute has 15 pegs, or
should I say, gears. The lute's neck felt as though it was light,
with absolutely no noticeable added weight.
At 12:33 AM 6/22
I do not understand what you mean, as they require no more space
that traditional pegs. The lute gears are not pictured, as they
are thinner than the violin pegs one sees.
At 08:17 AM 6/22/2010, Edward Mast wrote:
It seems to me that another reason - beyond the weight of
guitar-type
I'm sorry, Ed - I didn't make myself clear. I was answering a post in which
(if I understood the writer correctly) it was said that the type of geared
tuners found on guitars (NOT the geared pegs we've been discussing) could more
inexpensively be used on lutes. These are what I think take
I like my simple lute pegs, I like the simple non-mechanized 1 to 1
tuning-design of old instruments. perhaps modern guitar-tuning-mechanics are a
result of 19th century perfection...
w.
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:17:23 -0400
Von: Edward Mast nedma
I as well like my simple lute pegs as well. These new gears are very
interesting, however!
At 09:16 AM 6/22/2010, wolfgang wiehe wrote:
I like my simple lute pegs, I like the simple non-mechanized 1 to 1
tuning-design of old instruments. perhaps modern
guitar-tuning-mechanics are a result
If only the gear mechanism could be placed inside hand turned pegs. I
get more compliments on the swan neck peg box than anything else about
any lute. Each boxwood peg is a different size and they gently taper
down to the smallest in the 3rd pegbox. Geared pegs would all be one
size
on record and and say that these geared
tuner things are an abomination. Well made normal pegs are just
fine. These geared things seem to be an attempt to compensate for poor pegs.
Sterling
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I'm not changing my pegs, but I use a peg wrench. Basic peg is OK with me.
There are mini torque motors that can adapted if you want power pegs,
just touch the peg and the little motor will wind them :)
I expect someone will provide autotuning devices eventually, where
the instrument tunes
I love the appearence and feel of the non-geared pegs on my Stephen
Gottlieb 11c Warwick. A number of lutenists who tried this lute told me
they were the best pegs thay had used. Nevertheless, following a three
week stay in very humid Normandy, I returned to relatively dry Paris
Dear Anthony and All,
If your pegs stick because they have swollen or the pegbox has shrunk,
try putting the pegbox near a source of gentle heat such as a desk lamp
- no need for it to be hot, just slightly warmer than the surroundings.
That will reduce the humidity and may take you back
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Re Re: geared pegs and [Wolfgang's peg turner]
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Monday, 21 June, 2010, 10:59
Dear Anthony and All,
If your pegs stick because they have swollen or the pegbox has shrunk,
try putting the pegbox
much aware of that while delocking my lute's pegs, and in
spite of frustration, I refrained from reaching for the tool chest. I
did feel like giving a gentle tap to the inner point of the peg (with
the peg-hammer?), to push it out, but fortunately did refrain from
doing that as well
I seem to remember that the geared pegs for violins, cellos etc. are glued in
place to prevent slipping of the peg itself (of course the gears don't slip).
Is this necessary with the lute pegs? If not, what keeps the pegs themselves
(not the gears) from slipping in dry weather?
Ned
On Jun
Yes, they are permanently installed.
ed
At 07:52 AM 6/21/2010, Edward Mast wrote:
I seem to remember that the geared pegs for violins, cellos etc. are
glued in place to prevent slipping of the peg itself (of course the
gears don't slip). Is this necessary with the lute pegs? If not,
what
To All:
There was an article in the Lute Society's Lute News last year
detailing a person's experience buying and having geared pegs installed
by a luthier with very positive results. I'm sure someone with a
better memory and a better filing system can point out which issue
For more information, the website for these pegs:
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of the strings sticking on the
nut?
Miles
On 2010-06-20, at 9:07 PM, Edward Martin wrote:
I saw this lute in Dan Larson's shop yesterday. It is a very,
very
nice Frei, and yes, the pegs, or kegs, or whatever you want to
call
them, are very nice, very interesting. They are, as DT says
, first off, this was a really nice lute, and all gut strung with
some really cool strings.
This lute also had geared pegs, which look just like real pegs. I
mean, they are real pegs, not imaginary pegs, but hopefully you know
what I mean.
I have seen the pegs for some time now on Gambas
I remember when these came out, and have read all the comments to follow on
this thread. I'm not entirely certain of the practical usefulness of this
product unless one would want to replace pegs on an existing instrument with
minimal modification to the instrument.
I seem to recall geared
I for one would like to go on record and and say that these geared tuner
things are an abomination. Well made normal pegs are just fine. These geared
things seem to be an attempt to compensate for poor pegs.
Sterling
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At BFX 2010, I had the opportunity to play Dan Larson's Frey lute.
Well, first off, this was a really nice lute, and all gut strung with
some really cool strings.
This lute also had geared pegs, which look just like real pegs. I
mean, they are real pegs, not imaginary pegs, but hopefully you
really cool strings.
This lute also had geared pegs, which look just like real pegs. I
mean, they are real pegs, not imaginary pegs, but hopefully you know
what I mean.
I have seen the pegs for some time now on Gambas, but this was my
first lute adventure.
The pegs work great! They turn like butter
I don't have geared pegs on my cello, but know a cellist - and a violinist -
who does. They like them a lot. My questions would be:
1) How much would each peg for a lute cost?
2) Would they need to be fitted by a luthier, or could the player do it
him/herself?
3) Assuming a peg with gears
:21 PM 6/20/2010, you wrote:
I don't have geared pegs on my cello, but know a cellist - and a
violinist - who does. They like them a lot. My questions would be:
1) How much would each peg for a lute cost?
2) Would they need to be fitted by a luthier, or could the player
do it him/herself?
3
I saw this lute in Dan Larson's shop yesterday. It is a very, very
nice Frei, and yes, the pegs, or kegs, or whatever you want to call
them, are very nice, very interesting. They are, as DT says, smooth
as butter, and they will never slip, as pegs do. They are plain, but
very attractive
But isn't there still the problem of the strings sticking on the nut?
Miles
On 2010-06-20, at 9:07 PM, Edward Martin wrote:
I saw this lute in Dan Larson's shop yesterday. It is a very, very
nice Frei, and yes, the pegs, or kegs, or whatever you want to call
them, are very nice, very
, very
nice Frei, and yes, the pegs, or kegs, or whatever you want to call
them, are very nice, very interesting. They are, as DT says, smooth
as butter, and they will never slip, as pegs do. They are plain, but
very attractive..
I don't know the cost, but I think Dan said somewhere
?
Miles
On 2010-06-20, at 9:07 PM, Edward Martin wrote:
I saw this lute in Dan Larson's shop yesterday. It is a very, very
nice Frei, and yes, the pegs, or kegs, or whatever you want to call
them, are very nice, very interesting. They are, as DT says, smooth
as butter
. It is a very,
very
nice Frei, and yes, the pegs, or kegs, or whatever you want to
call
them, are very nice, very interesting. They are, as DT says,
smooth
as butter, and they will never slip, as pegs do. They are plain,
but
very attractive..
I don't
wrote:
But isn't there still the problem of the strings sticking on the
nut?
Miles
On 2010-06-20, at 9:07 PM, Edward Martin wrote:
I saw this lute in Dan Larson's shop yesterday. It is a very,
very
nice Frei, and yes, the pegs, or kegs
It's called frapping among gambists and violinists and happens all the
time. Bass gambists will press their heads against the neck of the
instrument while turning the pegs on the side opposite to provide the
pressure needed to prevent frapping. On the bass side the gambist will use
the index
Pull the peg out, sand it very lightly to remove the excess wax, and replace.
If the peg does not fit, it must be sharpened with a special tool,
and possibly the holes reamed.
I never use peg goop, and my pegs very rarely move.
However, pegs to frap to use Mace's word, mostly when you dive
Herb,
The string players in the band are constantly moving the pegs while
frequently tuning. Some of them go down several notes and then come
back to the note. All that motion keeps the peg dope distributed around
the peg, and allows for constant readjustment of the peg tension
Does anybody have an address where to order lute pegs in Europe?
Taco
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Taco, maybe this:
http://www.madinter.com/b2c/index.php?page=pp_productos.phptipo=1ref=ref-140md=1
Jelma
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Does anybody have an address where to order lute pegs in Europe?
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Dear Taco,
I'm not quite sure but I've heard that he does the lute
pegs for luthiers such us S. Barber and others. anyhow the pegs
are top class...
[1]http://www.brucebrook.co.uk/pegs.htm
Best Wishes.
Henry.
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:
Dear Taco,
I'm not quite sure but I've heard that he does the
lute pegs
for luthiers such us S. Barber and others. . anyhow the pegs
are top
class... [1]http://www.brucebrook.co.uk/pegs.htm
Best Wishes.
Henry.
Thanks,
stephen
Dear All:
A well-known luthier once told me an effective way to remove a stuck peg
without damaging it:
Take a short length of wooden dowel (1 inch or 2 cm) that is slightly smaller
in diameter than the small end of the stuck peg. Then take a small mallet or
hammer and gently tap-tap-tap
It is summertime. The humidity is high. High humidity causes wood to
swell causing pegs to stick. Simply moving the instrument to a dryer
environment for a few weeks may help.
Craig
Craig R. Pierpont
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www.anotherera.com
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Dear All:
These secret pegs may seem like a good idea but a friend who got a viola da
gamba with them reports that they do not work properly (they slip) and a
luthier suggested drilling them out and replacing them with traditional wooden
pegs.
It is possible that she did not maintain them
I saw the secret pegs on a friend's viola da gamba.
They look exactly like pegs, but have gears inside.
Very cool. And historical! There are literally thousands of paintings
which show pegs that may very well
have gears inside that we can't see. This is far more persuasive than
all the paintings
.
Perhaps the new ones are better?
Anthony
Le 27 fevr. 08 =E0 00:48, David Tayler a ecrit :
I saw the secret pegs on a friend's viola da gamba.
They look exactly like pegs, but have gears inside.
Very cool. And historical! There are literally thousands of paintings
which show pegs that may very
Louis Aull [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/24/2007 9:04 am
John et al.
I trained a while with an old school violin maker. We would put the dried
soap (old bar of Zest) on the peg, roll it in the hole to deposit the soap
in the hole as well, and then us a a piece of blackboard chalk to write a
bit of
Hind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 September 2007 17:07
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net
Subject: [LUTE] Test format Pegs
I don't know whether these photos can be viewed. I am just sending
this having changed one setting on my mail programme to see if it
makes any difference.
Making the holes
Henk and Ed
The French Vihuelist considers that installing the new pegs =20
does not make the peg-head more fragile. He argues that once they are =20=
in place the lute undergoes much less strain than when at each =20
tuning, we tend to force the peg home to hold it there. He also says
for his photos directly, should you be =20
interested.
Regards
Anthony
Le 30 sept. 07 =E0 09:28, Anthony Hind a =E9crit :
Henk and Ed
The French Vihuelist considers that installing the new pegs =20=
=3D20
does not make the peg-head more fragile. He argues that once they =20
are =3D20=3D
Is there a key to manually cleaning up these links to access the images??
I'd like to see these mechanical pegs, but I have had no success with the
links as given, nor with searches at the photo bucket site.
Regards,
Leonard Williams
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them up.
Tony
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Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:03 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Pegs image problem
Is there a key to manually cleaning up these links to access the
images??
I'd like to see
.
Best regards
Anthony
Le 30 sept. 07 =E0 16:03, Leonard Williams a =E9crit :
Is there a key to manually cleaning up these links to access the =20
images??
I'd like to see these mechanical pegs, but I have had no success =20
with the
links as given, nor with searches at the photo bucket site
http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m215/ag-no3phile/Mechanical%
20pegs/?action=viewcurrent=LuteReamingHoles.jpg
Completed pegs
http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m215/ag-no3phile/Mechanical%
20pegs/?action=viewcurrent=LutePeghedComplete.jpg
Top of a peg
http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m215/ag
]
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:06 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Test format Pegs
I don't know whether these photos can be viewed. I am just sending
this having changed one setting on my mail programme to see if it
makes any difference.
Making the holes
http://s105.photobucket.com
: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Lute Pegs
Dear Henk:
If you send my your pegs, of another set of your choice, I can fit your heads
to my mechanism.
I can match the color of the outer shank to ebony or rosewood heads. The
portion of the shank within the peg box wall will be black
Herbert,
Taco has given you a good answer, but let me add to it (I make my own pegs).
The peg is hardwood, and so is the pegbox. There is wear on both. If each
were perfect, like the legendary One Horse Shay that had every part so
perfectly matched that it never wore out until the whole thing
At 08:45 PM 1/5/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Spare pegs will
be harder to come by.
Here's one source:
http://www.brucebrook.clara.net/pegs.htm
I also know a luthier in Columbus, Ohio who was doing pegs for hire.
Best,
Eugene
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On Mon, Jan 2, 2006, Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
A bit mundane, lo siento mucho. Do pegs wear out?
Ayup, moving parts which lock by friction, of course they wear, and being
finite in size, yes, they can wear out.
Much of the wear is ignorable, but in time the peg and or the peg
On Monday 02 January 2006 18:10, you wrote:
A bit mundane, lo siento mucho. Do pegs wear out?
Yes, they do wear out. The symptoms are the usual problems like a peg which is
either not turnable unless by using tongs or jumping out of the hole after
loosening the peg. The wearing depends
A bit mundane, lo siento mucho. Do pegs wear out?
If so, how long does it take, and what are the symptoms,
and what do you have to do to fix it?
I tried a Google search on this subject, figuring the
violin community might provide an abundance
of information, but such was not the case
Warm regards,
Marion
Mezzosoprano, mandolino, mandola, meraviglia
Mendicante merla..
RT
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Can anyone tell me where I can order a pre-made rose parchment and
pegs for a Baroque guitar which I am building. This will be my be my
second one, and since I was happy with the pegs I made I thought I'd
but them this time
Andy
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Andy wrote:
Can anyone tell me where I can order a pre-made rose parchment and
pegs for a Baroque guitar which I am building. This will be my be my
second one, and since I was happy with the pegs I made I thought I'd
but them this time
You should be able to get pegs from any luthier who makes
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