Re: bugzilla

2002-09-19 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 03:52:58PM +0900, R. Lahaye wrote: > > I myself won't file a bug report when loginname/password is required! > > It's too much of a nuissance. > > I wouldn't not either if it was an "arbitrary project" - especially if it's > not

Bug: Lyx 1.2.1: HTML export

2002-09-19 Thread Lars Jensen
BUG REPORT: When exporting a file with an embedded eps image to HTML in lyx 1.2.1, the html file is created in the same directory as the lyx source file, but the png or gif image is put in a subdirectory of /tmp/lyx_... -It is not copied back to the HOME directory! As a consequence of this the p

Re: bugzilla

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 03:52:58PM +0900, R. Lahaye wrote: > I myself won't file a bug report when loginname/password is required! > It's too much of a nuissance. I wouldn't not either if it was an "arbitrary project" - especially if it's not just a login/passwd, but a _real_ email address too.

Re: Website

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:33:25AM +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: > Isn't it redirected? When I type http://www.lyx.org/help I get redirected > to Herbert's pages... Looks like that now. It certainly did not a while ago... Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Se

Re: Latest cvs-1.3.0 on Cygwin (patch for lyx2lyx invocation)

2002-09-19 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
"Kayvan A. Sylvan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 11:46:24PM -0700, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote: >> This fixes the problem with lyx2lyx on Cygwin. >> > | Has this patch been put in yet? It is clearly a bug-fix and not a new | feature. Yes, it looks ok. -- Lgb

Re: bugzilla

2002-09-19 Thread R. Lahaye
Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:06:37AM +0200, Andre' Poenitz wrote: > >>Why do I need a login to file bugs on bugzilla? If I were just using LyX >>I'd certainly not create an account there just to file a bug report. >> >>What do I do if I forgot my username? [Well, I don't thi

Re: Cases environment broken in 1.2.2 and 1.3.0.

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 09:53:54AM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > So I'd rather have AMS detection completely removed from validate(), but > > - for convenience reasons as probably most users don't care - switched on > > by default. This way it is possible to disable AMS if it is really not > >

Re: Cases environment broken in 1.2.2 and 1.3.0.

2002-09-19 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 07:36:33AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 09:11:35PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > I'd really like to make "Use AMS" on by default and drop all AMS auto > > > "detection" as this fails too often. > > > > I don't think that's wise... AMS is about

Re: Website

2002-09-19 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:19:48AM +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > > Is there any link from www.lyx.org to www.lyx.org/help? > > > Is there any link to bugzilla.lyx.org? > > > > I couldn't find any of those links above. However, the link "Tips

Re: Website

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:19:48AM +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > Is there any link from www.lyx.org to www.lyx.org/help? > > Is there any link to bugzilla.lyx.org? > > I couldn't find any of those links above. However, the link "Tips & > Tricks" points to http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de

Re: Website

2002-09-19 Thread Christian Ridderström
> Is there any link from www.lyx.org to www.lyx.org/help? > Is there any link to bugzilla.lyx.org? I couldn't find any of those links above. However, the link "Tips & Tricks" points to http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/ and that is also where you end up if you type http://www.lyg.org/hel

Re: bugzilla

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:06:37AM +0200, Andre' Poenitz wrote: > Why do I need a login to file bugs on bugzilla? If I were just using LyX > I'd certainly not create an account there just to file a bug report. > > What do I do if I forgot my username? [Well, I don't think I forgot it, but > it k

bugzilla

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
Why do I need a login to file bugs on bugzilla? If I were just using LyX I'd certainly not create an account there just to file a bug report. What do I do if I forgot my username? [Well, I don't think I forgot it, but it keeps telling me 'the username or password you enterd is invalid'. So I am

Website

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
I have still problems accessing the web site. Is there any link from www.lyx.org to www.lyx.org/help? Is there any link to bugzilla.lyx.org? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: Cases environment broken in 1.2.2 and 1.3.0.

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 09:11:35PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > I'd really like to make "Use AMS" on by default and drop all AMS auto > > "detection" as this fails too often. > > I don't think that's wise... AMS is about the best 'canary in the mine' > for validate to get some real-life testi

[Patch] small bug in xforms_helpers.C ?

2002-09-19 Thread R. Lahaye
Hi, In xforms_helpers.C, there is the following in function formatted(): string::size_type const nxtpos1 = sin.find(' ', curpos); string::size_type const nxtpos2 = sin.find('\n', curpos); string::size_type const nxtpos = std::min(nxtpos1, nxtpos1); The last line looks

Cleaning install stubs

2002-09-19 Thread Gianna6732t23
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more on selection problem in Insert-citation

2002-09-19 Thread Dr. Richard E. Hawkins
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:12:00PM -0400, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > The insert citation dialog has a similar problem to the export-custom > dialog. > Make a new citation, select something from the list, and close. The > inset now has nothing (it really seems to me that the selected cite >

selection problem in Insert-citation

2002-09-19 Thread Dr. Richard E. Hawkins
The insert citation dialog has a similar problem to the export-custom dialog. Make a new citation, select something from the list, and close. The inset now has nothing (it really seems to me that the selected cite should somehow default over there; there's far too much mousing here). Open the i

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | Lars> | Forget about the code. Think usability. | | Lars> I prefere to keep both in mind, thank you very much. | | I agree that my statement is a bit extreme, but we pissed of

adapting the kluewr.cls class for submissions?

2002-09-19 Thread Dr. Richard E. Hawkins
Has anyone already dealt with the kluwer.cls document class? I need to use it to submit a paper, and am really not sure where to start (unless I export to latex and follow their instructions :) hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Cases environment broken in 1.2.2 and 1.3.0.

2002-09-19 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 06:02:35PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > I'd really like to make "Use AMS" on by default and drop all AMS auto > "detection" as this fails too often. I don't think that's wise... AMS is about the best 'canary in the mine' for validate to get some real-life testing. Mart

[PATCH] New math space patch

2002-09-19 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 06:16:17PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:33:06PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:44:27PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > My doing... I found them in math spaces so assumed that that's what they > > > were. Wer

Re: Cases environment broken in 1.2.2 and 1.3.0.

2002-09-19 Thread Joao Luis M. Assirati
On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > Using the minibuffer with 'M-x math-insert cases 2' also does not > > work. > > 'M-x math-insert \cases' should work now. No easy way to start with an > initial size, though. In 1.3 it is possible to increase 'cases' size with ctrl-enter, so this

Re: Cases environment broken in 1.2.2 and 1.3.0.

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 12:35:04PM -0300, Joao Luis M. Assirati wrote: > In 1.3.0: > Insert -> Math -> Cases environment is broken in 1.3, either xforms or > qt. Indeed. I just fixed it. > Using the minibuffer with 'M-x math-insert cases 2' also does not > work. 'M-x math-insert \cases' should

Cases environment broken in 1.2.2 and 1.3.0.

2002-09-19 Thread Joao Luis M. Assirati
Hello, In 1.3.0: Insert -> Math -> Cases environment is broken in 1.3, either xforms or qt. Using the minibuffer with 'M-x math-insert cases 2' also does not work. In both 1.2.2 and 1.3.0: The cases environment does not imply automaticaly amsmath, so you must check Layout -> Document -> Extra -

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> I would like to fix that but don't know how. But I have not Andre> tried lately. Nice to know... JMarc

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:05:34PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > >> And usability? Complaints from users? How many people do we have > >> complaining that pressing space at the end of a math inset does not > >> insert a space anymore. > > Andre> All of them I. Including me. > > Huh? I wo

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> | Forget about the code. Think usability. Lars> I prefere to keep both in mind, thank you very much. I agree that my statement is a bit extreme, but we pissed of a lot of people with changes that were designed to ease our liv

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> And usability? Complaints from users? How many people do we have >> complaining that pressing space at the end of a math inset does not >> insert a space anymore. Andre> All of them I. Including me. Huh? >> So I do not care too much

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:00:07PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > So I agree they shouldn't be selectable in the UI, they are an internal > detail, right ? Yes. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:39:32PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > They insert true negative space on screen as opposed to \! which is drawn > as blue |___|. Right. > Having these things is useful to correct drawings of certain compounds as > long as LyX's own rendering differs from LaTeX's. So

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:33:06PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:44:27PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > My doing... I found them in math spaces so assumed that that's what they > > were. Were would you put them, if anywhere? > > Nowhere. It's likely to go if I found

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 03:35:39PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > What do they do ? They insert true negative space on screen as opposed to \! which is drawn as blue |___|. Having these things is useful to correct drawings of certain compounds as long as LyX's own rendering differs from LaTeX's. An

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:12:14PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > But users who are used to some bindings do not care about consistency. > Of course we have the right to change all bindings and menus at each > release, but we should not underestimate the amount of grumpiness this > will gen

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:35:17PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > And as this is strictly undocumented I'd like to see your cheetah that > > managed to type \lyxnegspace ;-} > > Not any more... they are now on the math spaces sub-panel ;-} What do they do ? What have you called them ? regard

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:44:27PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > My doing... I found them in math spaces so assumed that that's what they > were. Were would you put them, if anywhere? Nowhere. It's likely to go if I found some clean solution... Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:18:50PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > Not any more... they are now on the math spaces sub-panel ;-} > > Not my doing hopefully. They really should not be there. > > Andre' My doing... I found them in math spaces so assumed that that's what they were. Were would

Re: Latest cvs-1.3.0 on Cygwin (patch for lyx2lyx invocation)

2002-09-19 Thread Kayvan A. Sylvan
On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 11:46:24PM -0700, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote: > This fixes the problem with lyx2lyx on Cygwin. > Has this patch been put in yet? It is clearly a bug-fix and not a new feature. -- Kayvan A. Sylvan | Proud husband of | Father to my kids: Sylvan Associates, Inc

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | Lars> | It is very convenient to use 99% of the times. It just works. | | Lars> and it makes the core a lot more complicated than it needs to | Lars> be. removing the depth var

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:35:17PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > And as this is strictly undocumented I'd like to see your cheetah that > > managed to type \lyxnegspace ;-} > > Not any more... they are now on the math spaces sub-panel ;-} Not my doing hopefully. They really should not be ther

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:04:40PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > And as this is strictly undocumented I'd like to see your cheetah that > managed to type \lyxnegspace ;-} Not any more... they are now on the math spaces sub-panel ;-} Martin msg44990/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:08:17PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre> depth-increment can be implemented as cut, insert inset of the > Andre> same kind, move cursor, paste. Prefarably without touching the > Andre> cut buffer. > > Except that you may want to go into an existing inset. And

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martin> Hmmm... you mean those that have been using the keyboard Martin> shortcut? All three of them :-) (and yes, I was one of them.) Make that 4. And remember that this is the official way documented in the tutorial. Martin> I think

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> When I proposed it without immediately moving old stuff to it, Andre> it was called "bloat". You were doing the easy part and ignoring the hard part. That's cheating. And you did not address the face that the label part of the par

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> depth-increment can be implemented as cut, insert inset of the Andre> same kind, move cursor, paste. Prefarably without touching the Andre> cut buffer. Except that you may want to go into an existing inset. And you would have to d

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Thursday 19 September 2002 15:17, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > - case LFUN_EMPH: handleFont(bv, cmd.argument, "mathcal"); > > > break; + case LFUN_EMPH: handleFont(bv, cmd.argument, "emph"); > > > break; > > > > I think you'll get angry users here > > Hmmm... you mean those

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 05:17:49PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > Try inserting one of these beasts into a document from the math spaces > panel, and then latex it. Ah yes... it should probably add a \def\lyxnegspace{} in validate. But it should be only used in the second box of macro definition

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 03:50:38PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre> Indeed. And I called it InsetEnvironment last time I > Andre> implemented it. > > What I propose is a much dumber thing, that would not replace > anything, just artificially add structure in places where there is no >

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 03:49:02PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:35:37PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > Another thing: I ran into a bug in math_fontinset. If you have two > > fontinsets inside each other, only the outer one calls validate. > > Yes. It should call

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 03:26:25PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Asfor why I find it convenient, I do not like to use gratuitously the > mouse or the cursor key to change the depth of something (think about > a nested enumeration, and how you might not be sure how to organize > it; would y

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> That made it. Come on Andre, you are not giving up now, are you? JMarc

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Thursday 19 September 2002 12:59, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > For example, the use of layouts (a flat thing) and depth to nest > environments is great. Of course, as it is now, it causes problems > (like two consecutive theorems), but this is something that can be > solved with enough thoug

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:58:17PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes Andre> wrote: Lars> and it makes the core a lot more complicated than it needs to Lars> be. removing the depth variable and to proper paragraph nesting Lars> is one of

Re: [PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:35:37PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > Another thing: I ran into a bug in math_fontinset. If you have two > fontinsets inside each other, only the outer one calls validate. Yes. It should call MathNestInset::validate() as well. > This will lead e.g. to a LaTeX process

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 03:28:36PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > There is zero advantage to having tabular enabled as well, > > The advantage is not to have to disable it which seems to be non-trivial. The users don't care how trivial it is or not, they just want it. And there is no good reas

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 03:35:51PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > This is exactly what happens when I change sizes in lyxtext. Or are you > > talking about region changes with multiple fonts ? > > Can you revert the innermost change without touching the outer ones? I don't understand what you

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 03:11:02PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > As long as it concern my lunchtime talk I am interested in certain > aspects that are of interest for certain power users. But please don't punish the other 99% of users just so they may have their wicked way ;) > Having two theor

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 01:59:17PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:52:57PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > > > - arbitrary nesting of font changes, including the possibility > > > > of differentating \fontfoo{\fontbar{...}} from \fontbar{\fontfoo...} > > > > > > An

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:58:17PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Lars> and it makes the core a lot more complicated than it needs to > Lars> be. removing the depth variable and to proper paragraph nesting > Lars> is one of my goals when cleaning up. > > Forget about the code. Think usabili

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 01:54:04PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > Documenting ? Nobody reads any documentation. Of course not. But Jean-Marc was refering to documentation for some obscure reason or the other... > There is zero advantage to having tabular enabled as well, The advantage is not to hav

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:38:23PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes Andre> wrote: No, it is not >> It is very convenient to use 99% of the times. It just works. Andre> It does not work and it can't be worked around. What does not

[PATCH, BUG] Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:18:29AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > Just use LFUN_MATH_INSERT \mathbf here and drop the new LFUNs and I'd say > it is ok until 1.4... > > Andre' Done. I did some extra clean-up in lyxfunc.C, as lines 634-663 appear to be unnecessary now... math and non-math are han

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 01:41:13PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > I'd rather have this than have 99% of the thing unusable to benefit some > theoretical "correctness" yardstick that nobody but the developers care > about. Sure, the theroem problem is a bad one. But I don't see why we > have ANY requir

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:38:23PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre> No, it is not > > It is very convenient to use 99% of the times. It just works. It does not work and it can't be worked around. [Btw: Have you noted that you are accusing me of being ignorant to certain kinds of

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:52:57PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > - arbitrary nesting of font changes, including the possibility > > > of differentating \fontfoo{\fontbar{...}} from \fontbar{\fontfoo...} > > > > And what does this mean to the USER ? > > That with nested size changes t

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> | It is very convenient to use 99% of the times. It just works. Lars> and it makes the core a lot more complicated than it needs to Lars> be. removing the depth variable and to proper paragraph nesting Lars> is one of my goals

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:43:22PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > Currently we are talking about _disabling_ things. So ? It's still very much UI > [Maybe that's all because I am no big friend of disabling things when > not disabling it would still yield a decent behaviour. And documenting > Ta

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 01:35:32PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > Granted. Though I can't see I've had too many problems without this. > > > - arbitrary nesting of font changes, including the possibility > > of differentating \fontfoo{\fontbar{...}} from \fontbar{\fontfoo...} > > And what doe

Re: New Xforms "Paragraph Layout" dialog. Comments?

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "R" == R Lahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: R> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >>> "R" == R Lahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> R> Also, I still don't see how the dialog can find out about the R> paragraph's original default. Or am I missing something here? >> It has to find out the l

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | Andre> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 01:59:35PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes | Andre> wrote: >>> For example, the use of layouts (a flat thing) and depth to nest >>> environments is great. >

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:26:54PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > John, would a solution be to have a "Table" toplevel menu, so that > people would see that it is enabled when one is in a math array? Hmm, > probably not. This would be only a little better. After all, people will be looking

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:26:54PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Great. And then in the manual, you add a description of > "Edit->Tabular->Add line" that says: ``add some line somwhere''. > That's really helpful. > > Andre, the problem I have with your approach is that you make choices > o

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:03:34PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > [*] but actually, it is not me that wrote it, but John, so Andre' you > should not be angry at me for saying you don't get the point, > right? Yes bring on the wrath I can take it ! I'm in a good mood because my s

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:22:15PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > The only "solution" that can be implemented using the current approach is > having four layouts > >"Single-paragraph theorem" >"Multi-paragraph theorem, first par" >"Multi-paragraph theorem, middle par" >"Multi-par

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:03:34PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes Andre> wrote: >> This is the point I was trying to make in the fonts thread... [*] >> >> JMarc >> >> [*] but actually, it is not me that wrote it, but John, so Andre'

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 01:59:35PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes Andre> wrote: >> For example, the use of layouts (a flat thing) and depth to nest >> environments is great. Andre> No, it is not It is very convenient to use 99%

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:07:33PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > I do not see in what way font insets are any more > > structural than what the main text does. > > Pretty easy: > > - clear indication where we are exactly if the cursor is at > the "boundary" of a font change Granted. T

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> Well, so copy the menu. I don't care. The only "problem" is Andre> that the tabular stuff is not disabled when in math. But I'd Andre> count that even as a feature, as "Edit->Tabular->Add line" will Andre> add some line somewhere.

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:03:34PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > This is the point I was trying to make in the fonts thread... [*] > > JMarc > > [*] but actually, it is not me that wrote it, but John, so Andre' you > should not be angry at me for saying you don't get the point, >

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 01:59:35PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > For example, the use of layouts (a flat thing) and depth to nest > environments is great. No, it is not > Of course, as it is now, it causes problems > (like two consecutive theorems), ... because of that. Moreover, it

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 12:59:10PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > I expect my Math stuff to be under ... the Math menu. I'd really love to > get you into a UI lab and make you watch new users trying to find how to > add a row to an eqnarray !! Well, so copy the menu. I don't care. The only "problem"

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 12:48:16PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > This is assuming that your font insets is the only structural approach. > Which is wrong. Possibly. I've not seen another solution so far, though... > I do not see in what way font insets are any more > structural than what the main t

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> André you need to start looking beyond how things are John> implemented and /think/ about what the /users/ see. This is the point I was trying to make in the fonts thread... [*] JMarc [*] but actually, it is not me that wrote it, but

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> I never objected to that. But as long as we do not discuss real Andre> code, it's hard to use non-political arguments. Andre> My idea of LyX (which is btw supported by the propaganda items Andre> on lyx.org) is that it is (a) _not

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 08:46:11AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > What's wrong with going to the tabular menu if you want to edit table-like > stuff even when within math? Do you see a menu that says "table-like stuff" ? No. André you need to start looking beyond how things are implemented and /t

Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 08:33:28AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 04:11:49PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > > So \mathsf is going to be unsupported by the GUI ? > > Yes. And so are more than 50% of all mathed features. I am not too > concerned about one of them I personally ha

Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 08:56:35AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > Well, than just call MATH_INSERT "mathsf" from the panel. I would not > notice, it would work as you want, and I won't care, as I type it anyway. > I just do not want to change the interpretation of LFUN_SANS. Well we agree then.

Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 08:16:32AM +0100, José Abílio Oliveira Matos wrote: > > > This has got to die quickly :) > > > > 1.1.6 behaviour. > > Actually IIRC this is 0.12 or even 0.10 behaviour. (Ok, I didn't used > previous versions on a regular basis. ;-) In that case its time has long since

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:08:23AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > My idea of LyX (which is btw supported by the propaganda items on > lyx.org) is that it is (a) _not_ a conventional wordprocessor, and (b) that > it supports writing _based on the stucture_ of the document. > > So at least from a t

Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 12:07:12PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 09:10:54AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > Okay, here is a clean solution. With this, the math panel produces the > \math?? font commands, while the familiar font commands for text mode > (found on the layout m

Re: importing xfigs ! Line-break problems...

2002-09-19 Thread Staffan Ringbom
> > >Insert->External Material... I think you can put it inside a float. > >HTH Martin > >BTW I have been thinking of extending the graphics inset to handle this. >Wouldn't be too impossible. The reason for doing so would be because, as >Staffan implies, it *is* a picture after all and should be h

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 10:46:00AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > So before going this way, we have to think hard about usability > problems. I never objected to that. But as long as we do not discuss real code, it's hard to use non-political arguments. My idea of LyX (which is btw support

Re: importing xfigs ! Line-break problems...

2002-09-19 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:11:02AM +0300, Staffan Ringbom wrote: > Hello, > > I have a problem which I do not know if it is a bug or not or if > I am misusing LyX. > > I hav problems when importing latex code with include file (containing > several lines with comments); such as the output fi

[PATCH] Re: [PATCH] Re: Math space completely broken

2002-09-19 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 09:10:54AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 11:30:59PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 04:51:39PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't even use any font lfun from qt math panel. > > > > But perhaps you shoul

Re: Math font reset broken

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 05:24:42PM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: >> I believe it is 'go back to default math font'. You are in math >> when you press this button -- or at least you're supposed to be... Andre> This does not play wel

Re: Vertical align etc in math matrix

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> What's wrong with going to the tabular menu if you want to edit Andre> table-like stuff even when within math? What is wrong is that, in Insert>Math menu, there is nothing that says that what you are inserting is somehow related t

importing xfigs ! Line-break problems...

2002-09-19 Thread Staffan Ringbom
Hello, I have a problem which I do not know if it is a bug or not or if I am misusing LyX. I hav problems when importing latex code with include file (containing several lines with comments); such as the output files *pstex_t files for more advanced xfigs. Including *pstex_t files the way I

Re: New Xforms "Paragraph Layout" dialog. Comments?

2002-09-19 Thread R. Lahaye
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >>"R" == R Lahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > R> Also, I still don't see how the dialog can find out about the > R> paragraph's original default. Or am I missing something here? > > It has to find out the layout of the paragraph and find it there. Yes,

Re: New Xforms "Paragraph Layout" dialog. Comments?

2002-09-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "R" == R Lahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: R> Also, I still don't see how the dialog can find out about the R> paragraph's original default. Or am I missing something here? It has to find out the layout of the paragraph and find it there. JMarc

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