Hallo!
During the MeeGo conference, I had one person request I stop sending
out Bug Jars via email. Does anyone find receiving them via email
useful? Shall I continue to send them via email or not?
I do not have a problem with the emails, I would rather prefer to drop
it from the planet,
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still having some trouble trying to put together an interface to the GPS
device
on the N810. Overall I need to retrieve the current location (not sure
what
kind of data the GPS driver (or the gpsd) returns on the N810) that
eventually
I can feed into Google Maps API (or something
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myself. But poor quality applications reflect badly on maemo.org
community as well. Do you want to be part of a community which is known
Right. But for this we have rating and another repository does not really
help solving this. If this results in extras containing 100 5 star rated
Hallo!
I (still) suggest to formulate a vision statement, that should clearly
describe the purpose of extras. This formulating should be the guiding line
to define further detailed rules and to judge if a new suggested rule is in
compliance to the existing vision. Since there seem to be two
Hallo!
The mass-downthumbing people might see is just a temporary (?) solution
to
optimize testing resources. The idea is that it should be immediately
visible
that this package is NOT going to be promoted, so testers should not
vaste
From the developer view thumbs down without a
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And the most important things which guide my decision, is that
currently, many thumb down make me angry as there was wrong vote, and
the fact that i m passing more time to package than to develop didn't
help.
If the votes are wrong, complain. If they are not, then fix them. Don't
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Graham, (et al.)
I appreciate your concern about shared resources, but it seems to me that
you are overstating the problem. As an example, I quickly checked the
repository lines in sources.list on several different Ubuntu boxes I
support.
One box included a third party
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Sorry ? I don't follow. We don't have the luxury of natural selection and wait
for applications to actually cause damage to crystallize a score on a web page
(which is BTW not even visible from the Application manager). I do believe
that Extras as default was given the green light by
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What happens to apps (especially those with Qt dependencies) _currently_
in Extras, i.e., how will they get to the fremantle1.2 Extras repo ?
The Qt apps are currently blocked from being promoted to prevent issues.
The fremantle-1.2 repository will probably need to be 'legacy' clean.
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Take a look at libapt-pkg-dev,. You can also check the sources of
PackageView. I'm however unsure if you can access the icons using this way.
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I'm just wondering what's the best way to check is an application installed
from another application?
perhaps doing a system(dpkg -l mypackage) and checking the return
value is good enough?
lib-apt-pkg offers programatic access to the local repository. However
it needs some setup
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Hmm, I know tzhis is a hated question, but is the autobuilder for
fremantle alive?
At
http://maemo.org/packages/repository/builds/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/all/
the latest build is from ~22:00 UTC yesterday. I have uploaded a number
of packages around 24:00 UTC+1 but non of them
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Hmm, I know tzhis is a hated question, but is the autobuilder for
fremantle alive?
it is, seconds after sending the mail, the first OKs arrived. fine!
This however may make my suggestion even more valid, making me not writring
silly i do not have trust in autobuilder that fast,
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This however may make my suggestion even more valid, making me not
writring silly i do not have trust in autobuilder that fast, making
admina smoking more cigarettes than before.
?
I don't want to bother the admin of the system by Is it still alive mails
everytime autobuilder does
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Please show up at the next monthly sprint meeting and take some tasks to
improve things then. How much time and energy are you willing to pitch in
personally?
(While not address to me). That is too simple. I'm developer, spending much
of my free time in maemo related developing. I must
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What is happening here?
[2010-01-20 10:14:11] fakeroot apt-get -y -q -o
APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated=1 install --no-remove
libillumination0-dev libapt-pkg-dev /dev/null
Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
Hallo!
So what if us who can get themselves a proper mail client just configure
them to remove these [maemo-devel] droppings on our side?
Sure, there is such option too ;)
But I also read mails on N900 and Modest do not have such one ;(
Neither thunderbird AFAIK.
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Hallo!
In sum, what is the upside of including anything but symlinks on the NAND?
IMHO, it should punt everything to /opt as long as it is needed at all.
Thanks for maemo-optify, it makes things so much lazier^H^H...easier. :)
Symlinks take space on disk, too. I'm not sure if they
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I believe we can improve on this area: to have safer and optimized
Do we have a problem? Does testing applications instead of enablers make
us let problems go into extras that do not pass the extras criteria?
Let me give some examples of such possible bugs:
* A new version of libfoo
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That's what is happening at the moment with python-osso.
[...]
So unless someone promotes a user/* package to extras-testing that has
Depends: python-osso (= 0.4.0-0maemo2) , python-osso will remain
broken on extras extras-testing.
That also happend for me recently with
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This sounds possibly like an effect I had with my application (not using gtk
but only gtk theming) with the pre-production device firmware but that seems to
have dissapeared with the new, production firmware.
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Hello!
The following is a rant about XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description
with some suggestions for improvement...
Change Log handling (at that time for the downlaod page however ) was
discussed before!
See:
http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg16160.html
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Tim
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Packages are starting to show up in diablo's repos now. I will try a look
into this and make sure things are working as they should be. I don't want to
restart any services or have any unplanned downtime so I am not going to be
intrusive, just poke around and see if I can find any
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I'm interested in such mails (AFAIK I was possibly even the person who
requested the feature ;-)).
I'm intersted in getting to know that somebody rated my application since
I'm intersted in improving the rating of my applications. Getting a mail
makes it possible to react on ratings
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That all sounds OK.
One other point that just came into my mind. Is it possible (I havn't
yet promoted something) to leave some message to the testers while
promoting application to extras-testing (or even leave permantent
comments regarding testing as part of the application
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Is there a way to read XML files in the Maemo distribution ?
The GNOME XML library is available (should be libxml2-dev, libxml2).
See also http://xmlsoft.org/.
It is also possible that QT has a XML library, too (I'm not using QT).
If not can you recommend one available in extras ?
If
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Except how do you try to prevent abuse (whether intentional or
accidental)? At least with the version number you've got some safety
check (although it is in no way comprehensive). It also requires more
changes at more levels (I bet), so harder to implement.
I think it is time to
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I tried using libcanberra, and my example works on the desktop, but when
I
move it to Scratchbox, I get a CA_ERROR_NOTAVAILABLE when I call
ca_context_play().
[...]
Should I be doing something different? Is there a better API? What do
linux game developers usually use for playing
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Isn't it a bit of an overkill to set up an entire GST pipeline just to
play
a blip sound?
Yes, but if you want to play your own sound or any sound on the filesystem
this seems the
way to go (libcanberra is for predefined sounds for predefined events).
Lower level ways are likely
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* The autobuilder will run maemo-optify after the build, UNLESS a
control field says not to (or the package already uses /opt).
This WILL create bugs which package maintainers will need to fix.
ACTION: mvo to liaise with jeremiah X-Fade
Since there currently seem to be
Hallo!
Thanks Graham, I guess I´ll have to do it that way then. Only I still
don´t really understand why. I mean, why is it not ok to just upload a
package with a lower version number to extras-devel? I could then
promote the stable one into extras-testing and the unstable one could
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Just a side note, since it was multiple times mentioned in the BOF that
Bounce Evolution is already optified. On my device deinstalling Bounce
freed around 50 MB on /. For me this is a strong hint that Bounce is
either not optified or that installing it on the device did not what was
Hallo!
You need two packages with different control file, one for diablo and one
for fremantle. You can use any (generation) tool to simplify this task, but
on upload the packages must have different control files containing
different dependencies. AFAIK You cannot upload the same package to
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Other thoughts included:
* Use of /opt is perhaps now a QA requirement for Extras
* Can we somehow add a /opt check into minimae/maemian? Is it
possible, and is it sensible?
Please recall that maemo5 is not the only maemo. Maemo4 is the latest
availble for N800/N810 and
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I suppose that if a package is rejected, we can upload it with the
same version number ? Requiring to increment the version on each
failed/rejected upload would seem strange IMHO :)
Why would you want to upload a package with the same version number?
Incrementing the version number
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unfair to users if the version is not changed. So if I understand you
correctly, you are saying a failure to build is not reason enough to
change the version number, with which I agree. But if you change the
Right. Fine :-)
code somehow, or change the packaging, so that it can
Hallo!
I am trying to using a button only with image from stock, but i cannot
success, the button only show text like Preferences instead of showing
image. Does anyone knows how to get button with only image?
This feature (showing button image besides textual label) is by default
switched
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I an trying to submit my application to extras and am running it
through the autobuilder. I get the error:
You need to define build-depends in your control file. You curently do
not have any and the errors suggest that you at least need a dependency
on lib-gtk2.0-dev. Build-depends
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The problem is, that I'm not an Gtk application. So there are IMHO two
possibilities:
I assume you mean you don't use the Glib main loop. Gtk is not needed
for D-Bus communication.
Correct. That was inprecise wording
* Generate a separate thread that uses a glib main event loop
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A few questions about DBus-based features under maemo.
I would like to enhance several applications with the following dbus stuff:
* Show list of available networks in WifiInfo using dbus calls (because
querying the kernel interface directly seems to interfere with the
normal operation).
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Are there developers out there who will use the autobuilder for OS2006, if
it is available? Do you think it is worth the trouble to set it up? Will
it make supporting OS2006 easier for developers?
Please let me know what you think.
I would like to support my software for all OS
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Hallo!
Can you start by defining what you want when you say stuff would be
shown on the Maemo (2.2) screen?
Do you want the text in a dialog box? As a text box? You saw it on the
terminal so it got somewhere.
printf(%d. Hail to Kernighan and Ritchie \n, i);
To clearify:
* All
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Personally, I'd rather downloads.maemo.org used one fixed system and
it was up to tools like mud to pull out heuristically derived data
from upstream and coalesce it into the simple format.
This is only an option. If you ask me I would drop the magic and enforce
the usage of one
Hallo!
One enhancement I would like to add is automatically update the 'Changes
in latest version' field for the entry in downloads. I would like comments
That would be nice :-)
from the community on how developers should supply this information.
One option would be to fetch it from the
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But when it tries to actually build the package I get this errors:
main.c:7:21: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory
main.c:8:43: libgnomecanvas/libgnomecanvas.h: No such file or directory
main.c:10:21: libosso.h: No such file or directory
main.c:14:32: hildon/hildon-note.h: No such
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Ed/Niels/anyone, any ideas? The armel package builds perfectly well in
my own Scratchbox, just not with the auto-builder.
Thanks in advance,
I wanted to take a look at the complete build logs in the extras-caldron
mailinglist archive but the chinook browser cannot show the
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If you wanted to look at the vim ones, I wouldn't recommend it on the
tablet. Apart from the problem I'm having, something else went wrong
with the build and the log's 28MB (it took over 12 hours)
beeing away from home that was exactly what I tried. I already failed
looking at the
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o.k. I got past the libgpsbt-dev issue. Now libagg-dev is giving me
problems. Autobuilder fails on it. Looking at the logs, it compiles
successfully on autobuilder but the package build fails. (see fail log
below...
install -m644 ./src/platform/X11/.libs/libaggplatformX11.a \
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./configure --host=arm-linux-gnueabi --build=arm-linux-gnueabi
--prefix=/usr --mandir=\${prefix}/share/man
--infodir=\${prefix}/share/info CFLAGS=-Wall -g -O2
LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,defs --disable-darwin --disable-xsmp
--disable-netbeans --enable-gui=no --disable-gtktest --disable-gpm
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This is all good, but I don't think it makes sense to do in now.
The main problem with extras for now are the maintainers' attitude.
There were a lot of discussions about extras previously on this list and
no real actions were done by community.
I don't think it is fair to blame the
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So if your package is failing due to missing dependencies, how does
one map the package check to Build-Depends? I'm sure this is a basic
question, I've googled but not found a definitive answer. The links
referenced in this thread are very general.
For example
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I failed to mention that I found the .pc files but then didn't get the
link back to the package.
So if I'm understanding you, find the .pc file, do a dpkg -S on that
pc file, take the name of the package, add a '-dev' to the end of it
The *.pc can normally be found under
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But I am not able to add these images to the deb package and because of
that when i am installing the
application on device , the images are not appearing.
See
http://illumination.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/illumination/trunk/PushIt/
and especially
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I haven't found any help googling around, other than that
dpkg-reconfigure looks like it should definitely be included in the
scratchbox installation.
I had similar effect after installing OS 2006 and 2008 Beta SDKs over my
OS 2007 SDK in the same scratchbox instance.
Dropping the
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I have collected (and reformulated a little bit) all suggestions up to
now in the Wiki at:
https://maemo.org/community/wiki/extrasrepositoryprocessdefinition/
I have divided the suggestions in to three groups: autobuilder,
autotester and autostager (note that even with only one or two
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Levi Bard wrote:
[1] Is OS2007 support still useful? There are really only two platforms: OS
2006 for 770 owners, and OS 2008 for N800/N810 owners. Maintaining OS
2007
support could be a pain for application authors.
I would say that the two relevant platforms are OS2007 for
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libraries until the APIs are more stable. This means that there are cases
where a dependency is updated where all the dependent packages need to be
rebuilt.
Of course, this does not only apply in cases where library versioning is not
in use. Even in cases where libraries are
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6) If it doesn't already exist, an entry in the Application Catalog is
automatically created, including .install file(s) for all supported
OSs.
The relevant information must be available in the source/binary package.
Also I'm not sure if thats worth the effort (or at least
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What about the myriad libraries that will be added to build all the
random apps we want? Would each of these need a Garage page or could
they all be grouped under the same page? I imagine most of these will
be simple modifications (if they even need that) of existing debian
packages
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different. And the main problem with 'extras' is that there're not so
many applications in it.
I believe it's because of a simple challenge for developers: 'extras' is
expected to have good quality software (good is still to be defined
:)). I saw quite a few comments (here, ITT,
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I'd like to share a simple 5-step plan :) It seems that the discussion
again somehow stopped. The first steps of the plan seem to be quite
practical, so hopefully we can start implementing something. And I'd
strongly suggest we proceed with step 5 only after having implemented
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* We must find some clever way to get a response from the user
since we cannot trust the masses (our masses are not of
equal size then that of debian).
* For example: What about the program manager on the device
periodically
requests a rating from you for newly installed
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According to Tim Teulings [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The question is, how should I structure this in garage? Should I again
request one project and hosts all applications there (which makes things
easier for me but might have negative consequences for my karma :-),
Quim, this is why karma
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* We must find some clever way to get a response from the user
since we cannot trust the masses (our masses are not of
equal size then that of debian).
* For example: What about the program manager on the device
periodically
requests a rating from you for newly installed
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Speaking about decisions. Someone wants to summarize the discussion in a
I did that:
http://maemo.org/community/wiki/extrasrepositoryprocessdefinition
wiki page and call for review? I'd suggest separating the principles
from the implementations, since we seem to agree already in the
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I would like to move the maemo specific parts of my currently
sourceforge hosted projects closer to garage.
The source (which is not maemo specific) is currently hosted at
sourceforge and the repository is hosted on my private web page.
I have a number of packages for smaller
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I just put initial version of my packages build under OS 2008 in my
repository (see http://www.anderenen.de/anderenende/maemo.html).
I assume that the application are still functioning (at least they do
with the beta SDK release) but expect minor problems with the theming.
If any of
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* Since Nokia holds most of the infrastructure I fear Nokia has the
burden to supply the technical infrastructure while the community will
support the daily work, the rating and the quality assurance.
Fear? If this doesn't sound like a fair exchange then please suggest
fair
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- Nokia: We want to centralize the development to just make things
easier, simpler and add service - without compromising the open
source idea. (Simplicity, centric)
Centralization doesn't compete with 'the open source idea'. We are
I did meant that (it was meant exactly they
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Alright, what about leaving the role of this document in a checkbox developers
check in order to get upload rights to extras, à la terms
conditions. Something like I'm aware of the maemo Quality Awareness
criteria and
I have tested my applications against them before uploading
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Depends. The guide (aka the Debian Policy Document, aka policy)
distinguishes between musts and shoulds. Violations of musts are
considered Release Critical bugs, violations of shoulds are non-RC
bugs. Specific exceptions for specific packages have been made, when
justified.
In the
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IMHO this discussion is important, but needs some kick to start
discussing real concrete solutions in more detail and to agree on
suggested behavior. I would suggest to continue discussing but in the
end of each of you mails define short statements, that summarize your
idea and ideally
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* How can I better promote my application in this case? Can I make a
garage project page for my application? Would this make sense?
We need to help developers promoting their applications in any case,
[...]
news or blog about it... Having a project in Garage helps, yes.
Hmm, as
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* Contributors apply themselves through their maemo profiles. No
invitation is needed. Please don't send us extra emails, they
won't help you.
Some questions:
* When will my profile (and the related links) be evaluated? A Short
time before the release or a short
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[changed subject to a better one for this special topic, that does not
have anything in special to do with the wlan API]
If anyone has better way to do that, I'm all ears.
You can use a chmod +s on your binary in request after you did a make
install to your temporary packaging
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You can use sudo to gain root privileges on N800.
I'm speaking of an potential enhancement for a GUI program, namely
WifiInfo, wich you also can find in it in the application catalog. so
doing a sudo is not what I would like the user to do :-)
So, I don need to set the S-Bit? How?
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But it wouldn't be too hard write one. There's only one request and
reply IIRC. And osso-wlan sources are available, so you don't have to
guess anything:
I now have some C++ code to poll the list of access points similar to
the way ooso-wlan does. On my desktop PC it seems however
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Are there someone that did a simple application on
scratchbox to read all the information on wifi card on
the n800? And could he help me to do that? What are
the necessary steps before programming?
What do you exactly want? Some more information pollable from the
wireless support as
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you could also check:
/sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_act/
/sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_turn/
I'm really lost in detecting and changing camer position.
My application uses gstreamer but is not a GTK application and thus not
actively using the gtk, gnome, osso,hildon
See my othe rthread, where I asked the same question.
The answer by Andreas Oberritter was:
I encountered the same error. Scratchbox seems to copy nsswitch.conf
from /etc/nsswitch.conf. See below for my changes on my Ubuntu Feisty
setup which solved the problem.
-- /etc/nsswitch.conf
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Subject says it all:
Does the camera in the N800 support the X11 Xv extension, that mean can
I use this extension for displaying images of the camera or must I use
v4l V2 (what about the V1 interface) or gstreamer?
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I encountered the same error. Scratchbox seems to copy nsswitch.conf
from /etc/nsswitch.conf. See below for my changes on my Ubuntu Feisty
setup which solved the problem.
-hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
+hosts: files dns
Thanks, this solved
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My questions:
1) does anyone have suggestions on this? I'm far from experienced
with X and GTK, and would appreciate any help at all. I'd be happier
concentrating on Emacs packaging, writing site-init scripts, etc. If
the Hildon experts could look at it, I'd be very relieved.
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Is it possible to initialize our C application (non GTK+/Hildon app.) and
attach it to D-Bus with libOSSO library?
IMHO libOSSO is intermixed with Gtk so you must user Gtk somehow if you
want libOSSO. Depending on your needs if might be enough to just
initialize Gtk main event loop to
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draw quikwriting layout there. Is there any maemo docs on this thing?
I few days ago I send a mail to the list in the tread Non-gtk
application integration that described a solution for non-gtk
application to open (and close) the text input window and to receive
virtual keyboard input.
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* How can I trigger the keyboard when doing text entry ?
I while ago i did some investigations regarding the communication
protocol between maemo GTK applications and the keyboard by monitoring
relevant X11 Client Messages to add support for keyboard handling funder
maemo to my GUI
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still wordering why are these libraries available on devel rootstrap (so
it makes possible to your app to depend on them) but not on the device
image ?
Because they are normally used for session management (and general
inter-process communication), but the maemo platform uses dbus for
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Most likely this is Autotools issue. At least older autoconf
checked the existence of X libraries by checking for libXt
and it added that also to the linker line.
However, none of the modern (Gtk, Qt) UI toolkits use libXt
nor require it. Only something obsolete like Motif needs
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