Further thought reminded me that I likely set the first end section into a clip
just so it's holding but not fully seated, then move down the line repeating
the process. Once each is set and you know they are all aligned the pushing
begins. I *think* I remember that as being the easiest method.
100mpg Volvo hybrid? Thats the most interesting of the lot. The Honda barely
interests me, all the rest make me yawn.
-Curt
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:59:26 -0500
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Curt Raymond wrote:
100mpg Volvo hybrid? Thats the most interesting of the lot. The Honda barely
interests me, all the rest make me yawn.
100 mpg means that the 'mpg equivalent' of plugging it in to an outlet is sky
high.
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Curt Raymond writes:
> 100mpg Volvo hybrid? Thats the most interesting of the lot.
Too bad it's a Volvo.
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"Jerry Herrman" writes:
> Also puzzling is that whatever is wrong happened between the time the
> engine was last shut down and yesterday. Seems unlikely to have
> something happen while it is just sitting there not running.
I agree. Simple explanations the best, the pump is not engaging the ca
Allan Streib wrote:
I agree. Simple explanations the best, the pump is not engaging the cam
properly when installed.
Which doesn't quite explain the fact that the original quit pumping.
So we have:
1. Original pump weak, new pump improperly installed.
2. Original pump was temporarily stuck
I lust after 170s ever since I saw an unmolested one when I was living in CA.
Somewhat crude by today's standards, but an absolutely beautiful car.
I would love to have one some day. Too bad they are few and far between.
Dan
Fred Moir wrote:
>Brought here from Germany!
>No S**t!
>
>Fred Moir
I agree. Most of the ones I've seen for sale are either basket cases or
worse have been the victims of amateur restoration.
You'll probably either have to pony up for a properly restored example,
or get lucky with a "barn find" that's restorable. The former is likely
to be the more economical ap
Just a question. What would be a fair market value for a "barn find"
totally complete, Arizona "no rust" 170 ? It's been setting for a while,
needs tires to roll. I'm sure it will need a boost.. hahahahha... Ohh..
the AC just needs more freon.. not. Just kidding on that part. I have one
spotte
Absolutely. I learned the "restoration is far more expensive than buying a
good example" years ago.
Bill Wachsmuth (not sure Bill is here, but he's one of the early Banned
members) has a neighbor who had two of them. They drove one up for a meet we
had at San Simeon. I nearly died when I sa
The question begs, what do they want for it?
I have no idea what kind of value these cars have nowadays.
Dan
On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:13 PM, G Mann wrote:
> Just a question. What would be a fair market value for a "barn find"
> totally complete, Arizona "no rust" 170 ? It's been setting for a w
That thing would look great chopped and dropped with big fat tires and a
350 with a blower. Or some chipped-out diesel with big stacks to blow
lots of black smoke! Maybe in a deep purple with some nice flames.
--R
On 4/15/12 1:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
You can see a photo of it here:
http:/
May you burn in Mercedes hell for such a suggestion.
(Just kidding!)
Dan
On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
> That thing would look great chopped and dropped with big fat tires and a 350
> with a blower. Or some chipped-out diesel with big stacks to blow lots of
> black smoke!
Um, why does it matter if Jerry starts the engine or not? The
ONLY way I can see that Jerry found out that the pumps do not
pump while on the engine is that he tried to start the engine
with the starter. Which is what started the question to the list.
The damage if any will already have been do
I think #1 or #2 are the most likely.
Is it possible that you've confused which way is up? I put a thermostat in my
240D backwards once. Caused me no end of frustration until I finally paid my
Indy to figure it out. I'll never make that mistake again.
Can you install it upside down, is it even
Something else to consider, from working on a lot of Ford industrial engines
with similar eccentric pump arrangements:
Sometimes these require that you "finess" the pump lever into the engine to
assure that it is up against the eccentric on the cam properly. I know that in
some engines with th
I have a backyard that borders a very deep wooded area, and at night it is
darker than, well, dark.
I would like to have some sort of lighting out there that would light at least
a portion of the area at night for convenience. I don't need it for anything
specific, nor would I need it on for a
Would some low wattage lighting along the wood line give you enough ambient
light for your convenience without making it too bright? Perhaps you can
run it to a more convenient part of your home.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> I have a backyard that borders a very deep wo
Unless you are willing to endure high upfront costs and marginal reliability
your best bet is to tap into the existing power source. My mother in law lives
off the grid with solar panels and a backup generator and lighting is an
ongoing issue. There is always some breakthrough product available
That is pretty much what I am seeing as I look at various product offerings.
They mostly appear to be Chinese junk that have a very limited working life.
It would be fairly easy to tap into the AC circuit ahead of the maintenance
cutout. I'm just not terribly keen about doing that, as it would
lity??
Jerry
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:49:58 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote:
> That is pretty much what I am seeing as I look at various product
> offerings. They mostly appear to be Chinese junk that have a very
> limited working life.
>
> It would be fairly easy to tap into the AC circuit ahead of the
> maintenance
I suggest using a wooden dowel to stick in the fuel pump hole and "feel "
for the cam lobe rotation that the pump lever arm runs on, while cranking
the engine over via a remote starter switch [available from FLAPS for a few
bucks]
CAUTION: Remove the coil wire and ensure the engine will not start
Its definitely something you can wire, but looks hokey and probably a
violation of the NEC.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Craig wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:49:58 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote:
>
> > That is pretty much what I am seeing as I look at various product
> > offerings. They mostly a
In googling around on this, I found the following advice:
One last thing, even if you are not using the mechanical fuel pump, install
the fuel pump drive anyway. It will keep the cam bolt from loosening up.
Also, the drive pin in the cam sprocket must be 1 5/8" long and made from
chrome moly steel
Leaving Raleigh on I-40 this afternoon, I came up behind a Buick Electra that
had a rear end bouncing up and down just like '49 Roadmasters of days of yore.
'Haven't noticed such in many years.
Wilton
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I suggest you look at using LED type low voltage lights mounted on poles
about 8 ft up to get light spread. The low voltage transformer can mount
at any available 110 plug and from that point the output voltage is 12
volts DC. The wire is OK for direct burial and you can space several lights
aroun
Another possible scenario, while still a code violation, would be to punch
through from an interior wall where a receptacle is located and just tap into
that circuit. I like this best, as it's a little neater/cleaner than tapping
into the AC feed. I would just as well keep that dedicated to th
BTW, that's BUICK bounce.
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Subject: [MBZ] OT - Thr Buck bounce
Leaving Raleigh on I-40 this afternoon, I came up behind a Buick Electra
that had a rear end bouncing up and down just
Not a bad idea, Grant, but I would prefer to have a single or double floodlight
on the house shining out towards the yard rather than be lighting the yard
directly from the edge. I don't really care about the wooded area - I just
want some light if I have to go out in the yard at night, such as
I may be a little out of date, but I know my NEC and NFPA. I can assure you
that tapping into a dedicated branch circuit like that would be a no-no.
Dan
On Apr 15, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> Its definitely something you can wire, but looks hokey and probably a
> violation of the
Dan,
Is your circuit breaker panel on an interior wall? If its in the garage or
some other location, you could pop in a new circuit just for the exterior
lighting. Put an outlet with a transformer near it, and then run low
voltage from there. As Grant said the codes for low voltage are pretty
e
I agree 100%. Even though it works just imagine what happens when you try
to sell your house and in the inspection see that.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> I may be a little out of date, but I know my NEC and NFPA. I can assure
> you that tapping into a dedicated branch
Dan,
I can't believe there absolutely no access to your attic? Might be time to
call an electrician who can run wire. My parents house built in the 1940's
doesn't have much attic access - mostly just a small hole in one of the
closet ceilings, but its enough to get up there to insulate or run wi
"Tapping into dedicated circuit" reminds me: 'Saw power to an elec. water
heater several years tapped directly into the SERVICE DROP just upstream of
the service weather head - that's not only no metering, it's no fusing, as
well, 'cept whatever may be provided at the transmission transformer!
Didn't he say, "Ceiling is right up against underside of rafters?"
Wilton
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary
Dan,
I can't believe there absolutely no access
e
knowledge of this area of this engine.
If one of you wakes up in the middle of the night with a solution, please feel
free to email me.
Jerry
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There is attic access, no problem, but the roofline drops down to the point
where I can't get to that part of the house. In other words, the ceiling is
attached directly to the roof joists - there is only the space between them,
and that's filled with insulation that I really do't want to distu
Now THAT is living dangerously.
Dan
On Apr 15, 2012, at 4:28 PM, WILTON wrote:
> "Tapping into dedicated circuit" reminds me: 'Saw power to an elec. water
> heater several years tapped directly into the SERVICE DROP just upstream of
> the service weather head - that's not only no metering, i
Why not drill up from the eaves? They make 24" nail eaters that will drill
through just about anything, 8 foot drill bits for about $50 at home depot
so maybe you can get the end of the bit to somewhere you can reach?
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> Now THAT is living dang
Or just use fish tape to push inside (from the outside)
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> Why not drill up from the eaves? They make 24" nail eaters that will
> drill through just about anything, 8 foot drill bits for about $50 at home
> depot so maybe you can get the end
If you went the low voltage route, use some conduit on the outside of the
house, bust out part of sidewalk to put the conduit below ground level and
then run the LV wire under the sidewalk, and then patch the concrete...
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> Or just use fish ta
night with a solution, please
> feel free to email me.
>
> Jerry
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of the night with a solution, please
feel free to email me.
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In googling around on this, I found the following advice:
"One last thing, even if you are not using the mechanical fuel pump, install
the fuel pump drive anyway. It will keep the cam bolt from loosening up.
Also, the drive pin in the cam sprocket must be 1 5/8" long and made from
chrome moly stee
Jerry Herrman wrote:
I may try the "dowel insertion" this week when I get some time.
Does anyone know if the eccentric can be in place, but not turn?
Having seen the pics, I don't think Jerry is doing it wrong. Especially since a
glob of grease on the friction side of the lever gets disturbed
Remember the mid 70's Mazda commercials?
Theirs go 'boing,boing,boing' and ours goes 'hmmm'.
(in reference to the rotary engine, not the suspension)
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Dan Penoff wrote:
>I may be a little out of date, but I know my NEC and NFPA. I can
>assure you that tapping into a dedicated branch circuit like that would
>be a no-no.
>
H, I added a circuit at the outside utility box for my HVAC condenser unit.
I remember checking what I could online, d
Dan Penoff wrote:
>Another possible scenario, while still a code violation, would be to
>punch through from an interior wall where a receptacle is located and
>just tap into that circuit.
I've done that too...
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:03:59 -0600 Brian Toscano
wrote:
> Its definitely something you can wire, but looks hokey and probably a
> violation of the NEC.
A separately fused branch circuit for an additional 150 W of lighting a
violation of the NEC? I don't think so. And why should it look hokey?
Th
> Dan Penoff wrote:
> Another possible scenario, while still a code violation, would
> be to punch through from an interior wall where a receptacle
> is located and just tap into that circuit.
Low voltage through the wall is not a code violation.
-- Philip
Am I the only on that thinks this all is ridiculous for "taking the dog out"?
Buy a Mag light, hanging it on a peg by the door, problem solved...
-Curt
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:42:02 -0600
From: Brian Toscano
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary
Message-
That's an oversimplification. We go out into the back yard for various reasons
at night, the most common being to take the dog out. If we wanted to do
anything out there, such as entertain after dark, there is no way to see
anything due to the lack of light.
That's why I am looking for a flood
Get some 12V LED light strips, a small battery, and a harbor freight solar
panel charger.
Should light things up nicely, and it's fully self contained. :)
Walt
On Apr 15, 2012 2:05 PM, "Dan Penoff" wrote:
> I have a backyard that borders a very deep wooded area, and at night it is
> darker than
You can tap off the AC line if you send it to another outdoor
breaker/subpanel thence to whatever and have at it. As long as
everything has the proper size wire, breakers (rated at same/less than
the feed), and enclosures you should be OK.
Or buy an outdoor subpanel (rated at whatever your fe
Dan Penoff writes:
> Bill Wachsmuth (not sure Bill is here, but he's one of the early Banned
> members) has a neighbor who had two of them. They drove one up for a meet we
> had at San Simeon. I nearly died when I saw this car, and I wanted it. Now.
>
> You can see a photo of it here:
>
> htt
I missed the part about the separate fused circuit. It may be within code,
I'm not sure, but it still seems hokey. Among other things, every time the
A/C compressor kick in, the lights will dim.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Craig wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:03:59 -0600 Brian Toscano
MB170v was the second car I owned whilst stationed in Scotland.
Posted to Aden, had to sell it, got 100 pounds in 1964.
Still miss it.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred
On 4/15/2012 12:01 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
I lust after 170s ever since I saw an unmolested one when I was living in CA.
Some
Run some conduit under the eaves from a spot where you can tap into a
circuit? Wouldn't show much if it were right up against the house.
Allan
Dan Penoff writes:
> There is attic access, no problem, but the roofline drops down to the point
> where I can't get to that part of the house. In ot
While the suggestion is valid, it's far more calories than I want to expend.
I think I will probably do the punch through from an existing interior
receptacle. That's a lot less expense and work.
Again, thanks to the collective list wisdom. Nice to have a place where you
can bounce some ideas
"WILTON" writes:
> Leaving Raleigh on I-40 this afternoon, I came up behind a Buick
> Electra that had a rear end bouncing up and down just like '49
> Roadmasters of days of yore. 'Haven't noticed such in many years.
If the Buick's a rockin, dont'... um. Hmmm.
Allan
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That may work, but be aware that you should swap out battery once a year. They
tend to die after a year of charge/discharge. An other thing to consider is
that the tiny solar panel gets weathered in two years and no longer converts
photons to electrons very well. You will need at least six ho
I had considered this, but it would be a run nearly half of the way around my
house, regardless of the direction I took. The distribution panel is about 180
degrees from the back porch (or lanai, as it's called in Florida.)
Dan
On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> Run some condu
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/pts/2947473780.html
Not sure how much hassle it would be, but maybe I can find another SL, just
more rotten and drop this in. Would be a good Lemons race car.
clay
1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E3
'Reminded today of an annoying type driver: 'Came up behind two lanes (2
packs) of backed up traffic on US 70W headed toward Raleigh and east of I-40;
divided four lanes (2 each way); speed limit 55 MPH; each pack driving about 53
MPH. The annoying driver and the one causing the backed up traf
"Sitting outside for 2 years?" Uh-oh!
Wilton
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Subject: [MBZ] Franken SL?
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/pts/2947473780.html
Not sure how much hassle it would be, but ma
On our local "Lemon Lot", a 2001 E430 4-Matic, 153,000 mi, $7000
Craig
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I'm currently doing the electricals on my new home and don't
think this is a code violation as long as the outside receptacle
is GFC or circuit has a GFC outlet installed inside so that it
makes the rest of circuit out to the light GFC protected. I have
done this on all of the outside receptacl
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/2957294865.html
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I suggest you take an outing to Home Depot or Lowes and have a look at
their low voltage LED lights. They sell flood lights in that configuration
and the Low Voltage wire is about the size of a lamp cord so could be
stapled up out of sight easily. I think you will be amazed at how much
light they c
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/2959982140.html
yeah, this is really a $10k car. And I have a floating bridge to sell you,
cheap!
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I don't believe that would be up to code.
I believe that a dedicated circuit to the outside condenser unit
of an AC system is just three wires. Two conductors to provide
the 220v and a ground.
If you want to put a sub-panel in place of the AC evaporator
disconnect and then run the evaporator
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$2k _more_ than I (over)paid for one in 1999? Yeah, right!
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Where'd the other two cylinders go? Maybe they rusted
off while it was sitting out in the rain. Not that it
rains much in Seattle... Perhaps he meant OM603?
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It still seems like a pretty minor problem. Get a Coleman lantern, how much
white gas or propane could you buy for the price of running lights?
-Curt
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:32:24 -0400
From: Dan Penoff
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary
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Mind, on the old house there is just an outlet off the 220 wire to the
pump.
You could use a transformer to supply 110V to the outlet.
Just sayin'.
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In older wiring, particularly where BX cable was used, 220V 3-wire was
common. Today 220V 4-wire is code. Both ground and neutral are eventually
tied to the same place in the panel - ground.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
> Mind, on the old house there is just an outlet off
You can throw a helluva lot of light with LEDs or CFs for relatively little
power. Even with incandescent, say 4 60w bulbs we're only talking 20a. A 110ah
marine battery (anything smaller is wasting time) will run that for 3 hours at
50% charge. Harbor Freight has their 45w kit for only $189, ge
When are they going to invite wireless light and non-robot vacuum cleaners?
:-)
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> You can throw a helluva lot of light with LEDs or CFs for relatively
> little power. Even with incandescent, say 4 60w bulbs we're only talking
> 20a. A 110ah m
Yeah those lanterns are awesome. I've gotten hooked on them over the past few
years. They even occasionally serve as a poor man's campfire!
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
It still seems like a pretty minor problem. Get a Coleman lantern, how much
white ga
Curt Raymond writes:
> You can throw a helluva lot of light with LEDs or CFs for relatively
> little power.
LEDs have a definite blue cast which makes them a poor choice for
nighttime lighting. CFs might be OK. I like 500W halogens myself, have
a couple on the back of the house and they light
But its an OM601 from an '86 300TD, it must be "special".
-Curt
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:16:27 -0400
From: "WILTON"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Franken SL?
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The last few weeks I've been slowly rebuilding the viscous fan clutch
on the Frankenheap's 116 205 12 06 aluminum fan which ate its
bearings. (I swapped this in years ago to try to save noise and fuel,
over its original fixed plastic fan.) Its Behr 4088.3 fan clutch
actually looks like a repaira
Grant wrote:
> Just a question. What would be a fair market value for a "barn find"
> totally complete, Arizona "no rust" 170 ?
170220.org
This is a mercedes forum for these cars.
Join and ask the question at their forum, or read the forums and there
might be an indication of what value these car
I finally replaced the shutoff for the 300D this afternoon. Got it
plugged up, bolted on, and then... the car wouldn't start.
Reconnected battery, and then... the car still wouldn't start. I ran
it until the starter slowed and put it on the charger for the morning.
I have a couple hours before I
Make sure you installed it right. Before you tighten
down the screws you can suck on the line and it should
pull itself down to the body.
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:56:47 -0500 Mountain Man
wrote:
> Grant wrote:
> > Just a question. What would be a fair market value for a "barn find"
> > totally complete, Arizona "no rust" 170 ?
>
> 170220.org
http://www.170220.org/index.php?topic=3542.0
It's located in the Midlands, UK. £1
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:11:44 -0400 Tim C wrote:
> I finally replaced the shutoff for the 300D this afternoon.
I presume this is a OM617 based 300D.
> Can disconnected vacuum cause no start, too?
No.
> I took the shutoff out again, and it doesn't seem to be stuck - the
> pull bar is sitting
> Allan Streib wrote:
> LEDs have a definite blue cast which makes them a poor choice
> for nighttime lighting. CFs might be OK.
That is entirely a matter of the LED used. It's possible to get
almost any color and color balance from an LED. The white LEDs
use a phosphor like fluorescent does.
Fmiser writes:
> That is entirely a matter of the LED used. It's possible to get
> almost any color and color balance from an LED. The white LEDs
> use a phosphor like fluorescent does. So don't judge all LED
> luminaries by what you saw from one (or half a dozen) examples.
Yeah, I'm thinking
t and my hand wouldn't reach that far
back into that small hole.
Jerry
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