Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-17 Thread Curt Raymond
edes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Message-ID: <9079ebc4e2184e6ca48ee1495f625...@larrypc> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original I replaced the ContiPro's on my '91 300D

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-17 Thread E M
l virtually disappear (except > from the vintage tire sellers) as 16" becomes the new standard. > > LarryT > 91 300D > > -Original Message- From: Max Dillon > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:34 PM > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' > Subject: [MB

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-17 Thread Mitch Haley
l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I put Goodyear Eagles (195-65-15s) on the 91 300D shortly after we bought it and was very disappointed with their performance - poor wet, poor dry and rapid wear. The Kuhmo Extsa's on it now seem the opposite! I guess the car is very important when it comes to tir

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-17 Thread Max Dillon
; To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 2:41:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I put Goodyear Eagles (195-65-15s) on the 91 300D shortly after we bought it and was very disappointed with their performance - poor wet, poor dry and rapid wear. The Kuhm

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-17 Thread l02turner
e had exactly the opposite results -- Go figger - LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-17 Thread John Freer
pear (except > from the vintage tire sellers) as 16" becomes the new standard. > > LarryT > 91 300D > > -Original Message- From: Max Dillon > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:34 PM > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' > Subject: [MBZ] Tire de

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-17 Thread l02turner
ent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:34 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-13 Thread Gary Hurst
they are just your standard sort of amg knockoff wheels and bolt up just fine On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Gary Hurst > wrote: > > > i run 18s on my 124. like 245/40/18 or something around there > > > > > Really? How'd you manage

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > i run 18s on my 124. like 245/40/18 or something around there > > Really? How'd you manage it without them rubbing? I scored a set of 500E rims and good tires for practically nothing that I'd like to put on my 300E, but I don't see how a ti

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Craig wrote: U ... yes. It was a lot easier than writing a spreadsheet. In addition, the miata.net site lists revolutions per mile, which is not directly calculable from the tire dimensions (or at least should not be). Revs per mile is very handy in adjusting cars with OBD programmable sp

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-12 Thread Fmiser
> > fmiser wrote: > > > > I built a spreadsheet quite a while ago. It makes it easy to > > compare a bunch of different sizes. > > > > You didn't think I did the math _manually_ did you?? > > *chuckle* > Craig wrote: > > U ... yes. It was a lot easier than writing a spreadsheet. Well, I had

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-12 Thread Gary Hurst
i run 18s on my 124. like 245/40/18 or something around there On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > > For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires > and didn't see a lot of snow. > > http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireMod

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-12 Thread Craig
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 00:24:00 -0600 Fmiser wrote: > > No need to do the math, just go to > > http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html > > I built a spreadsheet quite a while ago. It makes it easy to > compare a bunch of different sizes. > > You didn't think I did the math _manually_ did you??

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Walt Zarnoch
I do it manually. I even do the speedometer gear adjustment calculations based on final drive gearing manually, and they're a good spot harder to deal with! :) Walt, who is enjoying some NY extra-sharp, lightly toasted on split top wheat. On Dec 12, 2010 1:27 AM, "Fmiser" wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Fmiser
> Craig wrote: > On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:37:26 -0800 Alex Chamberlain > wrote: > > > Mileage is impacted primarily by the overall diameter of the > > wheel-and-tire combination. Do the math on the two sizes: > > > > 205 mm * 60% = 123 mm sidewall height > > 195 mm * 65% = 126.75 mm sidewall h

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Craig
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:46:28 -0700 Craig wrote: > Unfortunately you can copy from the page and paste, ^^^ It should say, "cannot ..." Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Craig
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:37:26 -0800 Alex Chamberlain wrote: > Mileage is impacted primarily by the overall diameter of the > wheel-and-tire combination. Do the math on the two sizes: > > 205 mm * 60% = 123 mm sidewall height > 195 mm * 65% = 126.75 mm sidewall height > 205 mm * 60% * 2 + 381

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread David Bruckmann
Be careful: some of those Michelin specials have REALLY narrow purchase windows, with things like "must be purchased from warehouse stock on hand" etc. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http:/

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Max Dillon
f Of Mitch Haley > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:52 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? > > Max Dillon wrote: >> OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: >> >> Bridgesto

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Max Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Where do you see those for $194, I see them at $264 on tirerack On 12/11/2010 1:33 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: > > Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($1

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Where do you see those for $194, I see them at $264 on tirerack There's a rebate on a set of four, in the form of a $70 Amex gift card. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Where do you see those for $194, I see them at $264 on tirerack On 12/11/2010 1:33 PM, Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($2

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Dieselhead
If you live where it snows, buy blizzaks unless you want to spend $100+ each for scando-Noko tires. Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > I put 205s I got for the 126 on the front of the 300TD. THey did not rub, > but they don't handl right and they don't look right. They won't help > anything (except your wallet if you already own 205s) I do not recommend

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Max Dillon
: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: > OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: > > Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price > for December) > -or- &g

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Fmiser
> Max Dillon wrote: > So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd > like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering > whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. > > I suspect the trade-off will be in fuel consumption (worse), > speedometer accuracy,

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... I live where it snows, and

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Max Dillon
: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I put 205s I got for the 126 on the front of the 300TD. THey did not rub

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Dieselhead
. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? These 195 tires are getting

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Max Dillon
ssion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: > There is a General Altimax HP tire in 195/65R15 91H for only $66 per tire, > but no test results to see objective data about how it stacks up... I have those on an Olds Achieva. Rated at 51psi, I keep th

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Dieselhead
potenza Can you tell me the exact model/size? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Max Dillon wrote: There is a General Altimax HP tire in 195/65R15 91H for only $66 per tire, but no test results to see objective data about how it stacks up... I have those on an Olds Achieva. Rated at 51psi, I keep them at least 40psi. Hmm, that gives me an idea. I blew them up to 51 last mon

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Max Dillon wrote: So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. My 2.3-16v came with proper size worn out Goodyears (205/55vr15 on aftermarket rims.) Those Ea

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Max Dillon
;d like to know more about the handling part. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Mitch Haley
John Reames wrote: Potenzas are okay as long as you don't corner... Or drive when it's wet. Or damp. Or snow/ice. There are a LOT of tires bearing the Potenza name. Usually (but not always) the Pole Position versions are well thought of. This one has very good survey results (averaage score

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Max Dillon
Loren, Can you tell me the exact model/size? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-11 Thread Max Dillon
, 2010 9:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? > Mitch Haley wrote: > > For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I > needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. > http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-10 Thread Rich Thomas
These 195 tires are getting to be a problem to find if my experience is any indication. And MBs seem to require a particular load rating due to the general heavy nature and handling requirements, which are even more difficult to find in a 195 (if you follow the rules) for these older cars. 20

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-10 Thread Dieselhead
I have similar BS Potenza tires on my 300D 124. They seem to grip well, but don't look like they will set records for long mileage, but I prefer grip over uber high mile tires the slip when wet and are worthless on snow and ice. I think they are a good all round choice for safety. For $194

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-10 Thread Fmiser
> Mitch Haley wrote: > > For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I > needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. > http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+RE960AS+Pole+Position&partnum=965HR5RE960PP&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&tab=S

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-10 Thread John Reames
Potenzas are okay as long as you don't corner... Or drive when it's wet. Or damp. Or snow/ice. Had 'em. The rear end would break loose in the bat of an eye. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Dec 10, 2010, at 20:53, Mitch Haley wrote: > > For $1

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-10 Thread John Reames
I cannot stand the CPC's. They seem very tenderfooted on a W210; if you so much as just miss a pothole, they will slip a belt. Michelin primacy mxv4+ (V rated) work well. Iirc there was advice against oversizing the front tires due to excess wear on the steering gear -- John W Reames jwre

Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-10 Thread Mitch Haley
For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+RE960AS+Pole+Position&partnum=965HR5RE960PP&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&tab=Survey

[MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?

2010-12-10 Thread Max Dillon
Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the Cont