Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-02-02 Thread G Mann
gt; fuel gelling. The folks who have their tanks outside generally live in > trailers... > > > > > > -Curt > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:21:04 -0800 > > From: clay monroe > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues > >

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-02-01 Thread Brian Toscano
>>>>> all these houses have had their tanks removed. Lucky ones > >>> remove > >>>>> them > >>>>>>>>> without any event. Unlucky ones have a leaking tank that > >> turns > >>>> into > >>>>&g

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-02-01 Thread clay monroe
k that >> turns >>>> into >>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> environmental disaster. Its enough of a problem here that you >>> can >>>>>> get an >>>>>>>>> insurance policy to protect yourself. &

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-02-01 Thread clay monroe
o: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues > Message-ID: <832b9524-ae4a-4ebc-87d0-85196c15f...@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > A proportion of the NE heats with Citgo and that is underwritten by our buddy > Hugo C

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-31 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: Why would it cost a fortune? Its basically an on-demand hot water heater that also heats our house. In July, I would expect it to cost some multiple of what you'd spend to operate a dedicated water heater. But you're right, not a fortune, clearly less than you'd spend he

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Scott Ritchey
ditorial spaces. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Kopchinski Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues You've got it, Gerry... the problem is where the campaign money

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
You've got it, Gerry... the problem is where the campaign money comes from, but its not the foreign sources, its the unlimited amounts pouring in from anonymous super wealthy americans. An elite few are controlling the direction of this country. This is what is really costing us our freedom and r

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Gerry Archer
- Original Message - From: "Brian Toscano" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues I thought they used the word REPUBLIC in the pledge because it sounded better. ;) On Wed, Jan 30, 20

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Curt Raymond
on't think people should get a tax break for breeding either. They use MORE government services, not less. -Curt Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:38:19 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; cha

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Curt Raymond
t. -Curt Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:28:07 -0500 From: Mitch Haley To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID: <51099e77.8020...@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: > But then I'd also need a

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
Aye, we seem to have found another topic to stir up strong opinions. I second your motion, will try to get back to our regular programming... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Jaime Kopchinski wrote: >Its a nice thing to read, but clearly not relevant today. I'm n

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Brian Toscano
> > I pay > taxes so I can benefit from these things when I need them. Seems fair to > me. > Sounds like you are mixing up taxes and insurance premiums. Glad to hear the radiator repair was not expensive! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go t

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Its a nice thing to read, but clearly not relevant today. I'm not happy with a lot going on in Government today, but I do like having highways, schools, police, a fire department, and the national guard when the shit hits the fan. (Like when a hurricane blows through, for example). I pay taxes s

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: >But isn't this how government must work at a fundamental level? Take >taxes >from all, distribute it where its needed? > Not according to the Constitution. >- I don't have kids in school, which should my taxes go to pay for it? >If >you have kids, thats your problem

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Mountain Man
Jaime wrote: > Closed minded extreem ideas don't go very far. (Except maybe with the > crowd on this list!) All politics is religion. All politics is close minded incapable of being convinced otherwise. We are I forgot, this is not banned. mao ___ http://w

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
No, this is not how our government is supposed to work. For the first hundred years, our government did not steal money for the purpose of redistribution. You should read Davy Crockett's speech to Congress: http://www.fee.org/library/detail/not-your-to-give-2 -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
But isn't this how government must work at a fundamental level? Take taxes from all, distribute it where its needed? - I don't have kids in school, which should my taxes go to pay for it? If you have kids, thats your problem to pay for it. - Nobody is attacking me or my family, I shouldn't have

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
Armed IRS agents will confiscate property, seize bank accounts, escort you to federal custody. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >What exactly do you call "taking money by force?" > > > >>No one is stealing - it's called repr

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Brian Toscano
I thought they used the word REPUBLIC in the pledge because it sounded better. ;) On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > >> No one is stealing - it's called representative democracy. >> > > Or, alternately, a Constitutional Republic if you can keep it.

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: No one is stealing - it's called representative democracy. Or, alternately, a Constitutional Republic if you can keep it. We couldn't, hence the people who think it's right and proper that our government operate as a democracy. Democracy: Two wolves and one sheep dec

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: But then I'd also need a hot water heater. My current furnace also does our domestic hot water... That must cost a fortune in the summer. I paid something like $218 for a 40 gallon GE electric water heater at Home Depot last fall. Had to pay for 70' of 10ga wire and a 25 a

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread G Mann
Democracy: Two wolves and One sheep voting on what's for dinner. Republic: One well armed sheep inviting two wolves to eat grass. "I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and the REPUBLIC for which it stands" sound familiar perhaps? Or, has the misuse of the word "Democracy

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Dieselhead
What exactly do you call "taking money by force?" No one is stealing - it's called representative democracy. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Exactly. I view all entitlements and hand outs from federal government as a Perversion of the law. Government is taking money b

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Craig
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:07:09 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > No one is stealing - it's called representative democracy. We don't have a democracy, we have a constitutional republic. And yes, it is stealing. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and use

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
No one is stealing - it's called representative democracy. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > Exactly. I view all entitlements and hand outs from federal government as a > Perversion of the law. Government is taking money by force from one group of > people and giving it to

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Max Dillon
Exactly. I view all entitlements and hand outs from federal government as a Perversion of the law. Government is taking money by force from one group of people and giving it to another. That is why we have gridlock in WDC, the fight is about who gets to steal money from who now. -- Max Dill

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Dieselhead
gt; To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The federal government should not be in the business of flood insurance. If State Farm, etc wants to offer flood insurance

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Curt Raymond
insurance business (which I do) we can do that but we must abide by the contracts of yesterday until such time as we can get out from under them. -Curt Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:15:50 -0600 From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold w

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Curt Raymond
But then I'd also need a hot water heater. My current furnace also does our domestic hot water... -Curt Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:33:34 -0500 From: Mitch Haley To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID: <5108a29e.1040...@voyager.net> Content

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Brian Toscano
Just make sure you seal up whatever you're insulating. Mice and all kinds of rodents love insulation. If you can't seal it, don't insulate it. You won't dead mice and mice droppings all throughout your walls, ceiling, and floor. You may already know, but it can be so serious I risked telling yo

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:17 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Law is also free online and not all that long or hard to read. Yes, it is. I have read it. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okie

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-30 Thread Dieselhead
On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:16 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: Reference: read The Law Another good read is "Fiat Money Inflation In France". It is available for free. Rick Sent from my iPhone The Law is also free online and not all that long or hard to read.

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:16 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Reference: read The Law Another good read is "Fiat Money Inflation In France". It is available for free. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Benz Hogs
Well said. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 "Max" (159,xxx mi) On 1/29/2013 11:13 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I'm surprised you seem to have so much hate and disgust for the Jersey shore. You've been there? How about the rest of our state? What makes you think we should not be supporte

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Dieselhead
The federal government should not be in the business of flood insurance. If State Farm, etc wants to offer flood insurance they can be my guest. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: So you don't think the people who paid their flood insurance premiums > should be paid

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Dieselhead
I'm surprised you seem to have so much hate and disgust for the Jersey shore. You've been there? How about the rest of our state? What makes you think we should not be supported by our government during a time of catastrophe like any other part of the country? Jaime Ah! There is el problemo

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: Enough to get me really working on conservation. $3.70/gal at our last fillup. Diesel went to $4.04 this morning up from $3.99 yesterday. I'm working on getting our mortgage refinanced under HARP 2, if I can make that happen I'll finish the insulation on a faster schedule a

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Curt Raymond
7;ll be looking at a ground loop heat pump sooner rather than later. -Curt Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:17:27 -0600 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii So how muc

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Yea ok, they them rot then:) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: >> That is a little harsh telling somebody their state can rot. > > True, but it's understandable if their state is as famously corrupt as > Mississippi, Louisiana, Illi

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: That is a little harsh telling somebody their state can rot. True, but it's understandable if their state is as famously corrupt as Mississippi, Louisiana, Illinois or New Jersey. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and use

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2013-01-29 Thread dseretakis
s deteriorating fast. >> >> Jaime >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> >>> No basements in Alaska? >>> >>> In New England most oil tanks live in the basement, no problems with fuel >>>

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
That is a little harsh telling somebody their state can rot. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: > The only LUST is by New Jersey government to make sure they have their > hands in everyone's pocket. They'll make you spend tens of thousands of > dollars for a

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >> No basements in Alaska? >> >> In New England most oil tanks live in the basement, no problems with fuel >> gelling. The folks who have their tanks outside generally live in >> trailers... >> >

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Its true, Dan. Much of New Jersey is suburban or rural, even northern NJ. The area surrounding New York City, of course, is congested, and overall cost of living is high. But, this is to be expected living so close to the largest city in the country. It generally gets a bad rep because people p

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Scott Ritchey
-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues The only LUST is by New Jersey government to make sure they have their hands in everyone's pocket. They'll make you spend te

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Randy Bennell
3 22:20:19 -0700 From: Craig To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID: <20130125222019.b78ee6064c77339a64cdf...@pisquared.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:37:39 -0800 clay monroe wrote: This is curious on a lot of lev

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Benz Hogs
I partially agree. The gov't should not subsidize living or not paying for full insurance for probable disasters. People should be able to choose where they want to live, it's part of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 "Max" (160,xxx mi)

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2013-01-29 Thread Tim C
That's strange; mine was somewhat more than $1K/yr, definitely not in a flood zone. Maybe there is some amount the state chips in above what the muni pays. Or maybe my State Farm agent hates me, and decided it wasn't worth the commission, or she's planning to come flood my house and buy it out fr

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Toscano
I don't care who lives where. I don't think the federal government should subsidize living in natural disaster areas. Actually, I don't think the federal government should subsidize a lot of things, but they do. I would rather see the government spend the money in tornado alley than the armpit o

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Benz Hogs
Are you saying those that live in Tornado Alley should move ASAP? If so, I have a big banned #$(% you for that comment. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 "Max" (160,xxx mi) On 1/29/2013 1:50 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Its pretty stupid to live in a flood prone area anyway. I really

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Dan Penoff
I like that approach but I don't think it's realistic. People won't move from an area like that, and if they did, you have all the infrastructure that will be abandoned in place. So let the government get out of the insurance business completely and let people tread water. While it sounds good

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: I have often thought that there should be no Federally funded flood insurance for people who build in a flood zone. If it's an existing structure, let it be, but there should be no new construction in these areas. And what was our disaster related cost for New Orleans in 200

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Dan Penoff
I have often thought that there should be no Federally funded flood insurance for people who build in a flood zone. If it's an existing structure, let it be, but there should be no new construction in these areas. It's not the perfect means to deal with the situation, but I have a problem subsi

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Toscano
Sure, bring a couple of million dollars, and be ready to pay out of the butt in taxes. Then hear how school bus drivers get paid overtime to charge their cell phones. How they will spend a cool billion dollars to install EZ-Pass on the turnpike to phase out toll collectors who make $20 and hour.

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Toscano
Its pretty stupid to live in a flood prone area anyway. I really have no remorse for people who choose to live in natural disaster areas. People regularly leave their homelands for better opportunities or jobs. Then are there those that stay in problem/depressed areas and expect the government t

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Dan Penoff
I have friend who lives maybe 45 minutes from Newark. His wife is a veteran flight attendant that does international routes. They live in an area that I would classify as "horse country". Lots of big properties, many with horses. Very nice, and quite a contrast from Newark and surrounds. Not at

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Mitch Haley
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: So you don't think the people who paid their flood insurance premiums should be paid for their loss? I think fedgov never should have gotten into the flood insurance business. It got there because it was already paying for disaster relief after every flood, and that was

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Dan Penoff
Really? I am just slightly out of a 500 year flood zone and my flood insurance is about $250/year. The prices are set by the government, so if you're not in a flood zone I can't imagine yours would be more, as we are in the lowest bracket. Dan On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Tim C wrote: > On

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 29, 2013, at 12:26 PM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: > I think a lot of people would be surprised at what New Jersey is like away > from the metro areas. Quite nice. It is called "The Garden State" is it not? I was there to visit twenty five years ago, went to AC, the boardwalk, White House Subs

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Tim C
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: > The federal government should not be in the business of flood insurance. > If State Farm, etc wants to offer flood insurance they can be my guest. > A little late for that, they already do - sure it's subsidized in many places but the end-u

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Toscano
to request the tank > > to > > > be > > > > > >> > removed as a condition of sale. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > My neighbor in my old neighborhood got really screwed. He had > > the > > > > > tank > > > > >

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
gt;> > pumped and filled with sand, as was the common practice 10-15 > > years > > > > ago. > > > > >> > He passed away and the family tried to sell the house. They > can't > > > > find > > > > >> any > > > > >> > documentation about w

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Toscano
; any > > > >> > documentation about what was done to the tank. An inspection > showed > > > the > > > >> > soil around the tank was contaminated. The sale fell threw, and > now > > > the > > > >> > house is in foreclosure becau

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Dan Penoff
Southern Jersey is very nice. Never been to the shore other than Atlantic City, but I never got out of the Trump casino when I was there. Northern Jersey is pretty rough in places, but no worse that someplace like Gary, IN or East Chicago. I think a lot of people would be surprised at what New

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
>> > The property is probably 60 ft wide... extracting the contaminated > > soil > > >> > involves pulling up two driveways, working against the foundation of > > >> > houses, etc. Its a real shame, the house is just beautiful. But > its &g

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread OK Don
Isn't it doing so now??? On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: > > "The Jersey shore and the rest of that state can rot in hell as far as I'm > concerned." > > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 29, 2013 8:16 AM, "Jaime Kopchinski" wrote: > > Underground heating oil tanks are > very common here in northern New > Jersey > where many houses were built from > the 1920s-50s. In many cases, there > was > no natural gas service available and > oil was the best solution. Slowly, > all t

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Toscano
house is just beautiful. But its > >> been > >> > vacant for two years now and its deteriorating fast. > >> > > >> > Jaime > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond >> > > >> > wro

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
on of >> > houses, etc. Its a real shame, the house is just beautiful. But its >> been >> > vacant for two years now and its deteriorating fast. >> > >> > Jaime >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond > &

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Toscano
I certainly don't blame the buyer for wanting to have their bases covered. It can be financial disaster in New Jersey. Its just a shame that the seller had it pumped and filled and had to deal with that. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > I don't know for sure, but the

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
> > > > In New England most oil tanks live in the basement, no problems with > fuel > > > gelling. The folks who have their tanks outside generally live in > > > trailers... > > > > > > > > > -Curt > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 J

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Brian Toscano
n New England most oil tanks live in the basement, no problems with fuel > > gelling. The folks who have their tanks outside generally live in > > trailers... > > > > > > -Curt > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:21:04 -0800 > > From: clay monroe > >

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
clay monroe > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues > Message-ID: <832b9524-ae4a-4ebc-87d0-85196c15f...@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > A proportion of the NE heats with Citgo and that is underwritten by our &g

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: No basements in Alaska? In New England most oil tanks live in the basement, no problems with fuel gelling. The folks who have their tanks outside generally live in trailers... I suspect that anyplace where the average annual temps are freezing won't have basements. How mu

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Jim Cathey
No basements in Alaska? Certainly not in the permafrost zones! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http:

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-29 Thread Curt Raymond
No basements in Alaska? In New England most oil tanks live in the basement, no problems with fuel gelling. The folks who have their tanks outside generally live in trailers... -Curt Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:21:04 -0800 From: clay monroe To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-28 Thread clay monroe
around. Its > much easier to add (like in my house) baseboard than to run ducts for hot air. > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:20:19 -0700 > From: Craig > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues > Message-ID: <20130125222

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-27 Thread Dan Penoff
Yes. The inlet air for combustion is provided by a 2-1/2" PVC pipe in these furnaces. In the condensing models, exhaust combustion air can also go through PVC as it is cooled to the point of not affecting the PVC. You can see these as two pipes exiting the foundation, one in a "J" shape and t

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-27 Thread clay monroe
and groove. It'll be interesting to learn to live with a very > tight camp. > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:02:52 -0700 > From: Craig > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues > Message-ID: <20130125210252.50ce09e421536

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-27 Thread clay monroe
On Jan 25, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Craig wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:37:39 -0800 clay monroe > wrote: > > This is curious on a lot of levels > > >> SWMBA is moving herself to the great white north next year. > > So she is leaving you behind? I demanded to be left behind. Not into cold, d

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-26 Thread Craig
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:25:30 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: > The place is not completely sealed, by any means. > > No fuel burning appliances in the house, the vents leak enough that if > they are on make up air will be pulled from one of the others. No range > hood. > > My biggest concern was sealin

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-26 Thread Mountain Man
Dan wrote: > No fuel burning appliances in the house, the vents leak enough that if they > are on make up air will be pulled from one of the others. No range hood. > 30 years ago we had a salesman show us his furnace vent device that looked like a vent tee that had a damper in the tee. It was su

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-26 Thread Dan Penoff
The place is not completely sealed, by any means. No fuel burning appliances in the house, the vents leak enough that if they are on make up air will be pulled from one of the others. No range hood. My biggest concern was sealing the ceiling plane between the living space and attic. When I ins

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-26 Thread WILTON
I have nat. gas-fired circulating hot water plus 3 heat pumps. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Hot water has a number of advan

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-26 Thread Peter Frederick
That was the idea. With an exterior wall chimney, you can use the ash door (who dumps the ashes down the bottom of the fireplace anyway?). Have to build that in, however. Otherwise, if you can build an insulated duct to the front of the fireplace, do so. Fire burns nicely behind glass do

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2013-01-26 Thread OK Don
> > > My brother used to build houses, and always put in outside air to the > front of the fireplace, leaving a slot on the front face just behind the > opening. Saves a fortune in wasted conditioned air if you have good glass > doors. > > Peter > Do you mean a slot in the floor of the fireplace,

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2013-01-26 Thread Peter Frederick
A better alternative is to use a simple heat exchanger for a small amount airflow, but supply outside air for things like fireplaces, furnaces, and hot water heaters. My brother used to build houses, and always put in outside air to the front of the fireplace, leaving a slot on the front fa

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2013-01-26 Thread Peter Frederick
Hot water has a number of advantages -- easy to add onto (and easy to add loops with separate thermostats for zone control), better heat transfer so costs are lower, and since the baseboard radiator is always warm, no drafts. A neighbor always comments on that when she comes to visit. Very

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2013-01-26 Thread OK Don
meets the wall... We've since had the ceiling insulated, added structure > and the pine tongue and groove. It'll be interesting to learn to live with > a very tight camp. > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:02:52 -0700 > From: Craig > To:

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-26 Thread Curt Raymond
The likelyhood of us having a fight is directly proportional to my saying "Shut the dammed door! Do you live in a barn?" Fortunately she's the one what pays for the oil. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:47:02 -0600 From: Rick Knoble To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-26 Thread Curt Raymond
: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:20:19 -0700 From: Craig To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID: <20130125222019.b78ee6064c77339a64cdf...@pisquared.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:37:39 -0800 clay monroe wrote: This is curiou

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-26 Thread Curt Raymond
t camp. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:02:52 -0700 From: Craig To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID: <20130125210252.50ce09e4215369fb719f6...@pisquared.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 24/01/2013 7:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: &

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2013-01-26 Thread Jim Cathey
The blade was likely powered by an early gasoline engine. Ours was a 12-cylinder Packard. It's still out in the woods. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-25 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jan 25, 2013, at 10:33 PM, "clay monroe" wrote: > I have a kid who does not understand how a door functions. Me too. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.ok

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2013-01-25 Thread Craig
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:37:39 -0800 clay monroe wrote: This is curious on a lot of levels > SWMBA is moving herself to the great white north next year. So she is leaving you behind? > I wonder about CO with the place all buttoned up tight for six months. It depends upon whether you have

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2013-01-25 Thread Dieselhead
Brian sez: On many farms its not uncommon to find an old rusty 18-24" radial saw blade on the property either. Those are woodsaw blades, not sawmill blades for the most part. Woodsaw is for chunking rails or 8' lengths into firewood (crosscut). Sawmill blades are ripsaw blades. My H had a wood

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-25 Thread clay monroe
SWMBA is moving herself to the great white north next year. I wonder about CO with the place all buttoned up tight for six months. How do they deal with the moisture added to the dry air and not get mold? I am told there is not much forced air heat, since the availability of NG is dropping.

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-25 Thread clay monroe
I have a kid who does not understand how a door functions. Fresh air I hate the musty smell of the bathroom after SWMBA has steamed it all up, so I open the winders wide I also go around the house opening windows while all are gone to get some fresh air in. Rest of the year, there is at least

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2013-01-25 Thread Mitch Haley
Craig wrote: Where does the make-up air for your kitchen vent hood and bath vents come from? Do you have any fuel-burning applicances in your house? Where does the make-up air for them come from? Good points. Dan had a heat pump water heater, but I think that was at a previous house. If you c

Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues

2013-01-25 Thread Craig
On 24/01/2013 7:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > I have been working on sealing literally every penetration of the > ceiling of our living space. I had a blower door test done last > week, and the guy who did it was stunned at how well sealed our > house was. Where does the make-up air for your kitche

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