On Sat, 4 Dec 1999, Matt Sergeant wrote:
[...]
Personally I'd find it hard to hire a telecommuter unless I had really
great references _and_ solid evidence of their knowledge (e.g.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] postings). That's how I've been hired.
that is also how we have found our contractors at
On Fri, 03 Dec 1999, David Harris wrote:
Jason Bodnar wrote:
Unfortunately, another big part of the problem is that many so-called
'forward
thinking' companies aren't willing to hire tele-commuters, even for contract
positions. I'm interested in doing some moonlight consultant work but
al Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Geoff Crawshaw
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 10:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: mod_perl Programmers demand is going up...
I might as well pile on :-)
At TimeBills.com (www.timebills.com) we are looking
Hi again, all,
On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, Victor Zamouline wrote:
So, a company hiring VB developers knows that these are humble and
obedient guys who will make the application work, even if an extra
semicolon will ruin the whole program. And that is perfectly OK with
such companies because they
Hi all,
On Sat, 4 Dec 1999, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
Just putting in use strict and -w doesn't cut it. There's a load of
gotchas that people just have to understand and learn on top of Perl
skills.
Too true. This is a topic in its own right. I believe that mod_perl
could be made into an
that part.
/Me too
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Kreimendahl, Chad J
Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 9:51 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; mod_perl list
Subject: RE: mod_perl Programmers demand is going up...
I can describe what I
Suddenly, Stas Bekman uttered:
Hi, folks
You wouldn't beleive but I receive a great deal of mod_perl job offers.
Here is a partial quote of the most generic content of the offer:
*Sigh*
Lots of jobs in the US, but none in Norway... :(
I've been lurking on this list a little while and
: Friday, December 03, 1999 9:51 AM
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Subject: RE: mod_perl Programmers demand is going up...
I can describe what I mean when I say "mod_perl experience".
I think that
to most it means this as well.
mod_perl experience is just a
At 23:19 03/12/1999 +0200, Stas Bekman wrote:
There are a few logos on the site, and we can add some more (I don't know
if we would manage to agree on one, though it'd give a stronger sense of
"brand").
Right. This talk is about a commercial success. The
/perl.apache.org/logos/mod_perl.gif
At 18:04 03/12/1999 -0600, Jason Bodnar wrote:
You really can't compare mod_perl to ASP or JSP, though, IMHO. Compare those
two technologies to Embperl or ePerl or Apache::ASP.
That's true. And then compare mod_perl handlers with ISAPI extensions and
filters. Mod_perl isn't that hard after all
At 18:29 04/12/1999 +1100, Rod Butcher wrote:
Um... how about a mythical beast with the head of an eagle and the body
of a camel ?
Or a feather made of camel fur...
:)
.Robin
James Joyce -- an essentially private man who wished his total indifference
to public notice to be universally
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Stas Bekman wrote:
I was thinking about hedgehog as one that protected from everything,
exactly like mod_perl...
Now why didn't _I_ think of that?
73
Ged.
Suddenly, Michael Dearman uttered:
"G.W. Haywood" wrote:
How about ``Eagle''?
Exactly what I was just thinking.
Apache Stronghold
Apache Eagle
Logo?
Eagle floating over the feather? Or, the feather floating under the
Eagle.
An Eagle Feather.
Maybe an eagle with a single
On Fri, 03 Dec 1999, Gidon Wise wrote:
Hello Everybody,
I believe it is true. We could have more more mod_perl programmers.
I think that the biggest problem/opportunity that mod_perl has in terms
of proliferation amongst programmers/users is that Hosts currently
do not provide mod_perl on
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Jason Bodnar wrote:
On 03-Dec-99 Gunther Birznieks wrote:
I think mod_perl is sufficiently hard that even as more people learn how
to do the simple stuff, mod_perl will still be 'difficult' enough. I don't
think it is like Java or Perl where the stratification is
On Fri, Dec 03, 1999 at 11:15:53PM +0200, Stas Bekman wrote:
Does anybody see a niche for a new web-hosting company specializing in
mode_perl and other goodies, rather than the generic "package" ? Matt ?
That could ease the management problem of "we agree mod_perl is great,
but our hoster
Or even the head of a camel on an eagles body? I guess you could call it
an Eamel ;-)
my $.02
Bill
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On Sat, 4 Dec
John White wrote:
On Fri, Dec 03, 1999 at 11:15:53PM +0200, Stas Bekman wrote:
Does anybody see a niche for a new web-hosting company specializing in
mode_perl and other goodies, rather than the generic "package" ? Matt ?
That could ease the management problem of "we agree mod_perl is
Gunther Birznieks wrote:
You don't have to be top 15th percentile VB or top 15th percentile Java to
write ASPs or Servlets respectively. Although for servlets, I would say
top 50th at least if you don't want a completely crappy OO servlet
architecture.
I have organized a series of
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Victor Zamouline wrote:
[...]
Right. This talk is about a commercial success. The
/perl.apache.org/logos/mod_perl.gif logo represents a bridge between two
products [...]
But that is what it is.
A very cool bridge indeed, but a bridge.
- ask
--
ask bjoern hansen -
I'd rather see a camel with wings. Seems like an eagle without wings isn't
much of an eagle, and a camel without a hump isn't much of a camel.
Just like mod_perl gives you all the power of Apache Perl together?
Yeah, I'm reaching.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Desjardins) wrote:
Or even the head
And Lincons roots?
We don't seem to have the same problem here in Blighty. I did a search for
mod_perl at www.jobserve.com and six jobs posted in the last five days were
returned.
I'm sure things will improve after this Y2K thang passes over and companies
start to look to new technologies.
From: Stas Bekman
Hello Everybody,
I believe it is true. We could have more more mod_perl programmers.
I think that the biggest problem/opportunity that mod_perl has in terms
of proliferation amongst programmers/users is that Hosts currently
do not provide mod_perl on cheap virtual server package.
I think a
You wouldn't beleive but I receive a great deal of mod_perl job offers.
Here is a partial quote of the most generic content of the offer:
mod_perl is definitely going up, and not too slow either.
Which makes me thinking that we are too few and the demand is growing
(which is good for us :), but
Now the question is: if this is truth and you feel the same way, how do we
make the world know that there is a great demand for mod_perl programmers
and that people should learn mod_perl and not the stright-forward choice
like VB, ASP or other technology that drives the web?
Great sites using
At 12:35 03/12/1999 +0100, Victor Zamouline wrote:
Great sites using mod_perl may want to explicitely state being proud of it,
with a kind of mod_perl logo. I will willingly decorate my mod_perl'ed site
(www.jazzvalley.com) with a mod_perl stamp on every page.
That's a good idea. We're to
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De : Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are a few logos on the site, and we can add some more (I don't know
if we would manage to agree on one, though it'd give a stronger sense of
"brand").
Right. This talk is about a commercial success. The
Hi there,
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Stas Bekman wrote:
You wouldn't beleive but I receive a great deal of mod_perl job offers.
I believe it.
Which makes me thinking that we are too few and the demand is growing
(which is good for us :), but from the other side it's bad for mod_perl,
Speaking as
"Robin" == Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Robin Another thing that could help would be an article on
Robin perl.com. That would reach the Perl community. I'm sure that we
Robin can mail whoever's in charge of it and offer to write an
Robin article, and I see no reason why it'd be turned
"Stas" == Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Stas Hi, folks
Stas You wouldn't beleive but I receive a great deal of mod_perl job offers.
Stas Here is a partial quote of the most generic content of the offer:
Stas At any rate, we're finding it very hard to find mod_perl people and I
Stas
"Victor" == Victor Zamouline [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Victor Great sites using mod_perl may want to explicitely state being
Victor proud of it, with a kind of mod_perl logo. I will willingly
Victor decorate my mod_perl'ed site (www.jazzvalley.com) with a
Victor mod_perl stamp on every page.
Maybe what we need is some open enrollment courses
I can organize that in France, I am in direct communication with all French
computer training companies.
Vic.
"Stas" == Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Stas Hi, folks
Stas You wouldn't beleive but I receive a great deal of mod_perl job offers.
Stas Here is a partial quote of the most generic content of the offer:
Stas At any rate, we're finding it very hard to find mod_perl people and I
I am new to Mod_Perl. I don't know what all it's good for. My
question is, what do they mean by "mod_perl experience". I can
compile Apache with mod_perl and make emb_perl work correctly
but I highly doubt that is all they are after. Being new to this, I'd like
some perspective from those
Oracle 8i
The money is very good for the region... email me if you're interested
-Original Message-
From: Scott Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 9:35 AM
To: mod_perl list
Subject: Re: mod_perl Programmers demand is going up...
I am new to Mod_Perl. I don't kno
We've never had any candidates come in with any level of depth with
mod_perl but I'd vet their competency with it by asking them to explain
the closure problem with variables my'd under Apache::Registry. Anyone
cognizant of those issues should presumably know how to sanely use
Registry scripts
On 03-Dec-99 Robin Berjon wrote:
I think the problem touches computer people as a whole. It is getting hard
or impossible to find contractors that aren't booked for the next six
months in some areas of knowledge. Granted it must be easier to find a Java
programmer though.
Unfortunately,
"Ian" == Ian Kallen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ian We've never had any candidates come in with any level of depth with
Ian mod_perl but I'd vet their competency with it by asking them to explain
Ian the closure problem with variables my'd under Apache::Registry. Anyone
Ian cognizant of those
On 03-Dec-99 Robin Berjon wrote:
At 12:35 03/12/1999 +0100, Victor Zamouline wrote:
Great sites using mod_perl may want to explicitely state being proud of it,
with a kind of mod_perl logo. I will willingly decorate my mod_perl'ed site
(www.jazzvalley.com) with a mod_perl stamp on every page.
Jason Bodnar wrote:
Unfortunately, another big part of the problem is that many so-called
'forward
thinking' companies aren't willing to hire tele-commuters, even for contract
positions. I'm interested in doing some moonlight consultant work but there
isn't alot of mod_perl activity going on
To my opinion, out of the responses to a definition of a "mod_perl
experience", two are worth emphasizing:
1. Perl programming style with mod_perl techniques in mind
2. Abstraction from standard CGI constraints and high stakes on mod_perl's
features unavailable in vanilla CGI
There should be a
1. Perl programming style with mod_perl techniques in mind
2. Abstraction from standard CGI constraints and high stakes on
mod_perl's features unavailable in vanilla CGI
What about "bipolar" Perl-web programming tactics, like Embperl?
It can be as either CGI or mod_perl, and yet it is not
Nice argument but there's a flaw in it :) Do you have any idea how hard it
is to find a "skilled unix admin"? In fact (this is off topic but I'm
desperate), if there is someone in the Seattle area that's looking, there
is an immediate opening...
--Jauder
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Richard Dice wrote:
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Robin Berjon wrote:
That takes a strong logo and... possibly a more artistic name for mod_perl?
The Eagle book doesn't have it on it's cover though,
Well, actually, it does... on the first line, but who cares?
so it might be possible if anyone's got some good suggestion
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Jeffrey Baker wrote:
Most people are lazy. Since it is easier to get started with
VB/ASP/Crapomatic-9000, most people are going to start there. The
people with real initiative and drive will always find their way over to
mod_perl or other advanced solutions. The only
Now the question is: if this is truth and you feel the same way, how do we
make the world know that there is a great demand for mod_perl programmers
and that people should learn mod_perl and not the stright-forward choice
like VB, ASP or other technology that drives the web?
Great sites
Does anybody see a niche for a new web-hosting company specializing in
mode_perl and other goodies, rather than the generic "package" ? Matt ?
That could ease the management problem of "we agree mod_perl is great,
but our hoster won't run it".
I for one ended up having to host my own website
Well, someone mentioned an eagle. How about the eagle image for an
alternative mod_perl logo? I was thinking about hedgehog as one that
protected from everything, exactly like mod_perl...
Well mod_perl as a project has gotten the permission to
use the camel right ? I suggest we keep the
On 3 Dec 1999, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
"Scott" == Scott Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Scott I am new to Mod_Perl. I don't know what all it's good for. My
Scott question is, what do they mean by "mod_perl experience". I can
Scott compile Apache with mod_perl and make emb_perl work
Stas Bekman wrote:
Hi, folks
You wouldn't beleive but I receive a great deal of mod_perl job offers.
Here is a partial quote of the most generic content of the offer:
At any rate, we're finding it very hard to find mod_perl people and I
thought maybe you could refer me to
Can you wonder why a large corporation would rather go with ASP for most
web apps as long as it gets the job done and it's pain threshhold is not
too high. Same with reasons for going with NT as a File Server or WEb
Server. Sure it sucks for sophisicated stuff ,but 90% of places don't
really
Baiju Thakkar wrote:
Well, someone mentioned an eagle. How about the eagle image for an
alternative mod_perl logo? I was thinking about hedgehog as one that
protected from everything, exactly like mod_perl...
Well mod_perl as a project has gotten the permission to
use the camel
On Sat, 4 Dec 1999, Stas Bekman wrote:
Now unfortunately a lot of people don't share our views on money. They
want to maximize the monetary value of their mod_perl knowledge, which
is all well and good as far as I care. The problem for these folks is
that the more widespread basic
On 03-Dec-99 Gunther Birznieks wrote:
I think mod_perl is sufficiently hard that even as more people learn how
to do the simple stuff, mod_perl will still be 'difficult' enough. I don't
think it is like Java or Perl where the stratification is there in the
language knowledge. Unless mod_perl
"G.W. Haywood" wrote:
On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Robin Berjon wrote:
That takes a strong logo and... possibly a more artistic name for mod_perl?
The Eagle book doesn't have it on it's cover though,
Well, actually, it does... on the first line, but who cares?
so it might be possible if
On Fri, Dec 03, 1999 at 11:38:35PM -0700, Michael Dearman wrote:
"G.W. Haywood" wrote:
How about ``Eagle''?
Exactly what I was just thinking.
Apache Stronghold
Apache Eagle
Um, isn't that animal taken by O'Rielly?
How about an oyster? Perhaps not as american-patriotic but just think
Randy Harmon wrote:
Um, isn't that animal taken by O'Rielly?
The O'Reilly Eagle is a Tawny Eagle.
Thar be golden, spotted, bald, imperial, harpy ... well, plenty to go
around.
Still, it'd be nice to be able to use The Eagle. Logo promotes the book.
To
honor the first tome of mod_perl. Book
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