I've been following this thread and just wanted to offer up my services at
an html coder for a mod_perl website.
Joe Grastara
Project Assistant
Digital Media Center
The Skirball Institute Of Biomolecular Medicine
New York University Medical Center
540 First Ave., New York City, NY 10016 USA
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From: "Nathan Torkington" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "mod_perl list" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Mod_perl tutorials
Gunther Birznieks writes:
However, I am willing to concede that as a first cut, fancy slides are
probably
I would like to offer my services as HTML coder for the website. I Also have
experience with Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator.
-Max
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Ed Park wrote:
Anyways, take23 is very fast for now.
Don't expect that to last too long - its behind a 64Kb leased line. But
its fast because it delivers everything gzipped - so there's an argument
for gzipped content.
--
Matt/
/||** Director and CTO **
//||
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Drew Taylor wrote:
This doesn't mean that modperlnew will be
taken within hours but one should be very careful when using registrars'
whois/dns check tools. If you could want it, buy it immediately. Maybe some
registrars are not that kind of bandits, but it's hard to
-Original Message-
From: Robin Berjon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 6:24 PM
To: Stas Bekman
Cc: Drew Taylor; mod_perl list
Subject: [OT] Re: Mod_perl tutorials
[snip]
This doesn't mean that modperlnew will be
taken within hours but one should
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
You can use my hackish Pod::HtmlPsPdf, which tries hard to help generate
slides. The only caveat it has now, is that the html2ps tool that it uses
generates not 100% complete PS, so when I run ps2pdf everything is cool,
but acroread has no option
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
Well Doug likes the site, and I'd assume someone is going to add a link
fairly shortly to perl.apache.org.
There already is, I think Stas added it. It's under "News and Resources for
the mod_perl
At 23:03 13/12/2000 -0500, Drew Taylor wrote:
That's all too true. For certain Network Solutions have a service that
warns some people that have paid (a lot) when someone checks an address
that doesn't exist yet. They offered it to one of the companies I worked
for once so I know for sure.
On 13 Dec 2000, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
"Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gunther I would be against PPT if StarOffice couldn't read and write those
Gunther files. But since there is a Linux alternative, I would prefer a slide
Gunther format stored in the format
At 13:21 14/12/2000 +0800, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
At 01:55 AM 12/14/2000 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
You can use my hackish Pod::HtmlPsPdf, which tries hard to help generate
slides. The only caveat it has now, is that the html2ps tool that it uses
generates not 100% complete PS, so when I run
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
At 13:21 14/12/2000 +0800, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
At 01:55 AM 12/14/2000 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
You can use my hackish Pod::HtmlPsPdf, which tries hard to help generate
slides. The only caveat it has now, is that the html2ps tool that it uses
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
You can use my hackish Pod::HtmlPsPdf, which tries hard to help generate
slides. The only caveat it has now, is that the html2ps tool that it uses
generates not 100% complete PS, so when I run ps2pdf
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
Well Doug likes the site, and I'd assume someone is going to add a link
fairly shortly to perl.apache.org.
There already is, I think Stas added it. It's
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
Editing xml with no good xml editor is a nightmare... that's why pod is
much friendly even if it's very limited. I want to be able to edit files
from any console on any machine. Can I run StarOffice from remote
machine? Of course, not. It hardly runs
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
creating a set of tutorials for mongers and user groups? What's important
is the information, not how fancy the background picture is.
Thats where I think you're wrong. People care a *lot* about how things
look. Case in point with AxKit - I had
Stas Bekman wrote:
Our book's site is modperlbook.org... how original :)
Stas, do you have a premilinary table of contents
already and could you please post it there?
Not yet, we are still contemplating on some chapters/ideas. But the guide
is the core of the book, so you get the idea.
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
Well Doug likes the site, and I'd assume someone is going to add a link
fairly shortly to perl.apache.org.
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:17 AM
To: Stas Bekman
Cc: Randal L. Schwartz; mod_perl list
Subject: Re: Mod_perl tutorials
Even cvs diffs with XML won't be very easy to read, because there are too
many tags.
Thats a non-argument. XML can have as many or as few tags as POD.
"Stas" == Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It will always be take23, that I can assure you of. I'm a geek, and its a
geeky name, and I'm very happy with it. The other domain names pointing at
it or redirecting to it would be most welcome, but I'm not yet considering
another rename.
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Andrew Ho wrote:
I'm thinking somebody should probably take it upon themselves to spearhead
this effort, and perhaps set up another list for potential volunteers to
coordinate. Lots of open source projects are short on useful documentation
Perl Mongers can host, mirror,
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Ed Park wrote:
Anyways, take23 is very fast for now.
Don't expect that to last too long - its behind a 64Kb leased line. But
its fast because it delivers everything gzipped - so there's an argument
for gzipped content.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:09 AM
To: Stas Bekman
Cc: Matt Sergeant; mod_perl list
Subject: Re: Mod_perl tutorials
But I'm cool with the name as long as there's a prominent link of "why
't
; mod_perl list
Subject: Re: Mod_perl tutorials
Even cvs diffs with XML won't be very easy to read, because there are too
many tags.
Thats a non-argument. XML can have as many or as few tags as POD.
__
Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
eXtropia
At 02:27 PM 12/14/00 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
creating a set of tutorials for mongers and user groups? What's important
is the information, not how fancy the background picture is.
Thats where I think you're wrong. People care a *lot* about
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
Well, the nicer the slides the more they can be used outside of PM groups.
The ideal would be something that (A) Can be made to look nice and (B) Is
relatively brandable in case a conference has a particular look-and-feel
they prefer authors
Gunther Birznieks writes:
However, I am willing to concede that as a first cut, fancy slides are
probably not worth it because the slides will change too often. Once v1 is
released, then someone can transcribe the slides to PPT (or maybe a tool
will exist by then) as a "stable release" if
Hi,
I'm for the minimalist slides approach ... I often think there's
an inverse relationship between powerpoint buzz and the speaker's
presentation skills --- a good speaker knows that *they* engage the
audience not their slides.
Some of the best technical presentations I've seen
Both would be great. gnome.org has a large number of tutorials on all
aspects of gtk and gnome programming and so a newbie could get started
just by the stuff at the site. While mod_perl has some great resources
like the Eagle book and the guide, there is something to be said for
having on line
At 10:06 AM 12/14/00 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
Gunther Birznieks writes:
However, I am willing to concede that as a first cut, fancy slides are
probably not worth it because the slides will change too often. Once v1 is
released, then someone can transcribe the slides to PPT (or maybe
"Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gunther OK. One thing I was considering is that instead of being a monolithic
Gunther mod_perl class that it should be broken into modules with recommended
Gunther ways of piecing together the modules based on the amount of time
Gunther
Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
META COMMENT...
Maybe it's time we spun off a mailing list for this discussion,
unless it's still interesting to the rest of the onlookers.
Anyone care to host it or take that on?
I would have thought that most people here are interested in how to teach
Granted that many are interested in seeing the end result, but from the
amount of volunteers to do actual work (maybe 4 or so) there's not so much.
So in that case, a mailing list for the development and enhancements of
existing training material makes sense, but we would still, of course,
Jeff,
I was looking around Stas' site and found a discussion in which you
stated that you taught some underlings about mod_perl in 2 five hour sessions.
What is the story on these tutorials? Is it something you can distribute, or
did most of it come off of the top your head?
Thanks,
Jon
--
J. J. Horner writes:
What is the story on these tutorials? Is it something you can
distribute, or did most of it come off of the top your head?
Tutorials seems like a deadend for effort. I've had zero (0)
responses to my offer of my "Introduction to mod_perl" tutorial.
If nobody's
Allen Wilson writes:
I for one...would like to see some tutorials. I am just starting to
use mod_perl and it hard getting a firm start.
http://prometheus.frii.com/~gnat/mod_perl is the only freely-available
tutorial that I know of. There are a few (ahem) bugs in the code, but
the tutorial is
snip all other notes on it
I've seen a few folks say "my tuturial is at http://xxx", etc. But it
would be great if someone could put them all in a single place (take23?)
with a blurb about each.
I've been trying to keep the email with the links to the various
presentations and tutorials for
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 11:08:44AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
J. J. Horner writes:
What is the story on these tutorials? Is it something you can
distribute, or did most of it come off of the top your head?
Tutorials seems like a deadend for effort. I've had zero (0)
responses to
"Matt" == Matt Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Matt On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Jay Jacobs wrote:
snip all other notes on it
I've seen a few folks say "my tuturial is at http://xxx", etc. But it
would be great if someone could put them all in a single place (take23?)
with a blurb about
At 11:17 13/12/2000 -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
"take23" doesn't mean anything for me with respect to "mod_perl" by
the way. Is there a secret handshake^Wmnemonic that I can remember
the name of that website? perl.apache.org was easy to remember.
Spend a few hours trying to figure out how
On 13 Dec 2000, (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
They really also belong on perl.apache.org, unless take23 is supposed
to be taking over that responsibility, or unless take23 will have a
VERY PROMINENT link on perl.apache.org.
I wouldn't say "taken over" but I can say you'll see more frequent
"Matt" == Matt Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Matt On 13 Dec 2000, (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
They really also belong on perl.apache.org, unless take23 is supposed
to be taking over that responsibility, or unless take23 will have a
VERY PROMINENT link on perl.apache.org.
Matt I
I am also interested in mod_perl tutorials. If someone is taking
names and email addresses, add mine.
Make it Ken Creason, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks,
_Ken
Napa Valley Linux Users Group
Napa Valley Perl Mongers
At 01:41 PM 12/13/00 -0500, you wrote:
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 11:08:44AM -0700
On 13 Dec 2000, (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
Well, then, I'd ask for the perl.apache.org folks to "bless" the
take23.org site by linking to it prominently, along with a context
so that visitors know why some things are on perl.apache.org and
others are on take23.org.
Well Doug likes the
"Matt" == Matt Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Matt Suggestions for ways to help that would be most appreciated.
Make a link on the left on the home page "why the name take23?".
Then clever people like me can read it, and remember the name
much better.
/me scuffles off to register
Well Doug likes the site, and I'd assume someone is going to add a link
fairly shortly to perl.apache.org.
There already is, I think Stas added it. It's under "News and Resources for
the mod_perl world" in the toc.
If you want traffic on your site, pick a way for people to remember it
when
Matt Sergeant writes:
Basically I see the distinction as news/community vs the official home
page. The same as php3.org vs phpbuilder.
I think modperl.com should be the webpage that shows modperl to be an
active vibrant technology. In other words, I think take23 should
really be on
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
On 13 Dec 2000, (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
They really also belong on perl.apache.org, unless take23 is supposed
to be taking over that responsibility, or unless take23 will have a
VERY PROMINENT link on perl.apache.org.
I wouldn't say
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:01 PM
To: Matt Sergeant
Cc: Jay Jacobs; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Mod_perl tutorials
/me scuffles off to register no-args.org now... :)
I'm partial
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Nathan Torkington wrote:
Allen Wilson writes:
I for one...would like to see some tutorials. I am just starting to
use mod_perl and it hard getting a firm start.
http://prometheus.frii.com/~gnat/mod_perl is the only freely-available
tutorial that I know of. There
On 13 Dec 2000, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
And admittedly, the perl.org/pm.org/perl.com split is never clear to
most visitors (or even to the people who maintain it). I'm just
afraid of another arbitrary demarcation like this.
i assume you mean the www hosts since you are talking about web
Dave Kaufman wrote:
i have to say i really like the look and feel of Matt's take23.org. (and by
the way, for those, like me, who can't seem to keep up with reading *every*
message on this list... it's take23.ORG. I went looking for "take23" and i
can attest that the cryptic but nicely
At 14:44 13/12/2000 -0800, brian moseley wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
Other people seemed to be interested and said they'd
take care of doing something but like me I guess they
got flooded by work stuff. That's certainly what
happened to me :/
that, and the fact that there
At 23:31 13/12/2000 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
A quick check of nsiregistry.com shows that modperlnews.(com|org|net)
are all
available.
Too bad for you/us. You can be sure that when you will go to register any
of the above they will be all taken by a reseller. I've mentioned a few
times on
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
really notice or care. Most of the content is more or
less static, at least it doesn't change all that often.
yah. i'm sure wml or it's like would work just as nicely for
managing the site. it's just, as everybody on this list
knows, a gigantic pain in
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
I guess part of the problem is that PPT is a binary file so if someone
checks out of CVS, and modifies slide 3 and another person modifies slide
1, there's really no way of piecing it together again without being annoyed
by CVS update.
POD or
My two cents--
I really like the look of the take23 site as well, and I would be happy as a
clam if we could get modperl.org. I'd even be willing to chip in some
(money/time/effort) to see whether we could get modperl.org.
More than that, though, I think that I would really like to see take23
"Ed Park" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really like the look of the take23 site as well, and I would be happy as
a
clam if we could get modperl.org. I'd even be willing to chip in some
(money/time/effort) to see whether we could get modperl.org.
ok, money is tight and time is short but here's
Hello,
Just wanted to add to this thread as to the suggestion for a modperl.org.
I agree that this would help mod_perl programmers as a whole. The
"official" mod_perl site is sort of sparse, sort of slow, and on the whole
doesn't inspire confidence in mod_perl as an industrial strength tool. As
Andrew Ho wrote:
someone else already mentioned, it also doesn't use mod_perl itself. :)
I'm baffled by the insistence of everyone on this thread that a bunch of
static pages like the ones on perl.apache.org should be served by
mod_perl. Shall I show you all how to change Apache's headers? We
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
I didn't mean to target you particularly there brian :)
i know :)
But indeed I bumped into the same problem. Back then my
todo list included writing Pod::SAX and pod2sax (a pod
translator that woudl generate SAX events) and an XML
publishing tool,
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