RE: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-08-02 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: > 2) The name change should happen. However, there is already a > Persistent:: set of classes, that is somewhat similar to Apache::Session. > For example, it implements LDAP, MySQL, Oracle, Sybase, mSQL, and File > storage. These classes use all obje

RE: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-08-02 Thread Jerrad Pierce
>2) The name change should happen. However, there is already a >Persistent:: set of classes, that is somewhat similar to >Apache::Session. >For example, it implements LDAP, MySQL, Oracle, Sybase, mSQL, and File >storage. These classes use all object calls >e.g. $persistent->add_attribute().

RE: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-08-02 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker
> > namespace on CPAN always confuses some people. There > > are still people who get confused about the original > > Apache::Session module that was replaced by Jeff's. > > people who get confused by name changes should not be > catered to. I wasn't following this

Re: template kit.....

2000-08-02 Thread Andy Wardley
On Aug 1, 12:58pm, Jonathan Swartz wrote: > Many Masonites have successfully used sessions with Mason. It takes about > five lines of code in the handler.pl to integrate with Apache::Session, > which will give you all the fancy session handling you need. Jonathon makes an important point here. T

Re: template kit.....

2000-08-01 Thread Jonathan Swartz
Hi Denton -- Many Masonites have successfully used sessions with Mason. It takes about five lines of code in the handler.pl to integrate with Apache::Session, which will give you all the fancy session handling you need. Take a look at: http://www.masonhq.com/docs/manual/Admin.html#persist

RE: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-31 Thread brian moseley
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: > Since it isn't really tied to HTTP or sessions, that > would be kind of a misnomer as well. Jeff already > suggested Persistent::Hash at once point, but changing > namespace on CPAN always confuses some people. There > are still people who get confus

RE: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-31 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, brian moseley wrote: > using this vocabulary, i'd like to suggest that jeff's > module be renamed HTTP::SessionPersistence. Since it isn't really tied to HTTP or sessions, that would be kind of a misnomer as well. Jeff already suggested Persistent::Hash at once point, but ch

Re: template kit.....

2000-07-31 Thread Drew Taylor
"Erich L. Markert" wrote: > > > What I don't understand is *why*. Why can't you use to > > independent pieces of software: one for templates and the other > > for sessions that work perfectly well together (or seperately)? > > > > Paul, > > I don't think anyone (certain

Re: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-31 Thread Drew Taylor
Greg Cope wrote: > > I posted about a generic URL mangeler / cookie session handler a few > days ago. > > Allthough this is not rocket science - I've writen a URI transhandler > that will put the session id into pnotes, and if cookies are off will do > a redirect to itself with a munged URL > (w

Re: template kit.....

2000-07-31 Thread brian moseley
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Erich L. Markert wrote: > I know, personally, that my last project(s) would have > benefitted greatly from a integrated perl app server > solution - especially if alot of the underlying > technologies can be hidden from the less than technical > folks... this is exactly the

Re: template kit.....

2000-07-31 Thread Erich L. Markert
> What I don't understand is *why*. Why can't you use to > independent pieces of software: one for templates and the other > for sessions that work perfectly well together (or seperately)? > Paul, I don't think anyone (certainly not myself) is suggesting that all othe

Re: template kit.....

2000-07-31 Thread Francesc Guasch
Denton River wrote: > > Ofcourse i can use different pieces of software,, > But that was not my point I *want* to have the session > management in the same kit becouse it´s convinient. > I have used Apache::Session with HTML::Mason and it's plain easy. You only have to worry about tieing the %s

RE: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-30 Thread brian moseley
On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Gerald Richter wrote: > Jeffery don't want to build something like this into > Apache::Session. He always expressed that > Apache::Session is just a framework for storing session > data! it would be nice if we could agree on some vocabulary relating to 'session management',

Re: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-30 Thread Leon Brocard
Gerald Richter sent the following bits through the ether: > Jeffery don't want to build something like this into Apache::Session. He > always expressed that Apache::Session is just a framework for storing > session data! If this is still the case then I think a name change is in order... Leon -

RE: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-30 Thread Ian Kallen
Today, Gerald Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> frothed and gesticulated about RE:...: > > Ian Kallen suggested a hash of know indexers - which is a good idea - > > Yes > > > but has one problem of how to keep this upto date. > > > > Everybody could contribute and there could some (CPAN) where you ca

RE: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-30 Thread Gerald Richter
> > I've looked thorugh Apache::Asp session code and saw your args method. > We should of course use anything that Joshua already has figured out. Maybe the module could be written in a way that Apache::ASP can take use of it. That would be the best thing from my point of view! > Ian Kallen sugg

RE: template kit.....

2000-07-30 Thread Gerald Richter
> > Ofcourse i can use different pieces of software,, > But that was not my point I *want* to have the session > management in the same kit becouse it´s convinient. > > I have to tell my team what software to use and maby > even teach them how to use it, > I find it alot easier to do this with one

RE: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-30 Thread Gerald Richter
> > > > If you do this, build it into Apache::Session! Leverage the existing > > storage mechanisms built in there already (file, DBI, etc). My only > > other feature requests for this: > Jeffery don't want to build something like this into Apache::Session. He always expressed that Apache::Sess

RE: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-30 Thread Gerald Richter
> > So therefore would it not be easy to modify your code to check for a > pnotes entry called session and cookies ? > Yes, of course this would be very easy > If session is set then use that. > > If cookie is set (ie 1) then assume cookies are on! else if you have a > session and cookies are of

Re: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-30 Thread Greg Cope
Ian Kallen wrote: > > Today, Greg Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> frothed and...: > > I posted about a generic URL mangeler / cookie session handler a few > > days ago. > > > > Allthough this is not rocket science - I've writen a URI transhandler > > that will put the session id into pnotes, and if cook

Re: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-30 Thread Greg Cope
Joshua Chamas wrote: > > Greg & Gerald, > > I wanted to bring an important issue that came up with > Apache::ASP, how will you deal with search engines indexing > the session-ids in the URL? > > In Apache::ASP, this is handled a couple of ways, first the > session-id is stored as a query string

Re: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-29 Thread Joshua Chamas
Greg & Gerald, I wanted to bring an important issue that came up with Apache::ASP, how will you deal with search engines indexing the session-ids in the URL? In Apache::ASP, this is handled a couple of ways, first the session-id is stored as a query string param, not in the path to give a h

Re: template kit.....

2000-07-29 Thread Denton River
Ofcourse i can use different pieces of software,, But that was not my point I *want* to have the session management in the same kit becouse it´s convinient. I have to tell my team what software to use and maby even teach them how to use it, I find it alot easier to do this with one kit. Best reg

Re: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-29 Thread Greg Cope
Gerald Richter wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > > > As far as I am aware (please someone prove me wrong!) the does not > > appear to be such a module. > > > > I meant the module your are about to write :-) > > > > > Please send me ideas / thoughs and I'll have a go. > > > > Embperl currently goes the w

Re: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-29 Thread Ian Kallen
Today, Greg Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> frothed and...: > I posted about a generic URL mangeler / cookie session handler a few > days ago. > > Allthough this is not rocket science - I've writen a URI transhandler > that will put the session id into pnotes, and if cookies are off will do > a redirec

Re: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-29 Thread Ian Kallen
Today, Greg Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> frothed and...: > one of your parents sister. The only major issue is that I cannot > appear to use posted values as they appear to get lost in the redirect > (Clues wanted !). Redirecting a POST request? Yup, expediency often requires violating the HTTP s

RE: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-29 Thread Gerald Richter
Hi Greg, > > As far as I am aware (please someone prove me wrong!) the does not > appear to be such a module. > I meant the module your are about to write :-) > > Please send me ideas / thoughs and I'll have a go. > Embperl currently goes the way that it sets up a tied hash at load time (so it

Re: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-29 Thread Greg Cope
Gerald Richter wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > > > > Can I recommend you write a simple, standalone module that everyone can > > use and not just an embperl solution - I'd be willing to help (or write > > it) if people send me their wants / ideas, and then flame my code when I > > think its ready! > > >

RE: was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-29 Thread Gerald Richter
Hi Greg, > > Can I recommend you write a simple, standalone module that everyone can > use and not just an embperl solution - I'd be willing to help (or write > it) if people send me their wants / ideas, and then flame my code when I > think its ready! > I would be happy if there is an standalon

Re: template kit.....

2000-07-29 Thread Greg Cope
Tom Brown wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Paul J. Lucas wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Denton River wrote: > > > > > Its been a long time since i have done a jobb without using sessions. I would > > > really like to have this feature included in the kit im using and i think > > > alot of deve

was Re: template kit..... - now session handling

2000-07-29 Thread Greg Cope
Gerald Richter wrote: > > > I sure think that this template discussion is > > intresting, forms autofill is one thing but another > > thing that i think would be neat is if the kit could > > do session handling, like the Apache::ASP. Can embperl > > or mason do this fancy stuff. > > > > Embperl

Re: template kit.....

2000-07-29 Thread Tom Brown
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Paul J. Lucas wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Denton River wrote: > > > Its been a long time since i have done a jobb without using sessions. I would > > really like to have this feature included in the kit im using and i think > > alot of developers are with me on this one. >

Re: template kit.....

2000-07-28 Thread Billy Donahue
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Paul J. Lucas wrote: > > Its been a long time since i have done a jobb without using sessions. > > I would really like to have this feature included in the kit im using > > and i think alot of developers are with me on this one.

Re: template kit.....

2000-07-28 Thread Paul J. Lucas
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Denton River wrote: > Its been a long time since i have done a jobb without using sessions. I would > really like to have this feature included in the kit im using and i think > alot of developers are with me on this one. What I don't understand is *why*. Why can't

Re: template kit.....

2000-07-28 Thread Joshua Chamas
Apache::ASP already has session URL rewriting with SessionQueryParse --Joshua Denton River wrote: > > That´s it from right now I am a embperler, or what > ever > you call your self´s. > > I really think that the URL rewriting is the way to > go.. > I think i start reading the docs right away.

RE: template kit.....

2000-07-28 Thread Denton River
That´s it from right now I am a embperler, or what ever you call your self´s. I really think that the URL rewriting is the way to go.. I think i start reading the docs right away.. ;^) Denton River Internet Developer Java, Perl, embperl and what else is there --- Gerald Richter <[EMAIL

RE: template kit.....

2000-07-28 Thread Gerald Richter
> I sure think that this template discussion is > intresting, forms autofill is one thing but another > thing that i think would be neat is if the kit could > do session handling, like the Apache::ASP. Can embperl > or mason do this fancy stuff. > Embperl can do session handling. It uses Apache:

template kit.....

2000-07-28 Thread Denton River
Hi there template discussion people,, I sure think that this template discussion is intresting, forms autofill is one thing but another thing that i think would be neat is if the kit could do session handling, like the Apache::ASP. Can embperl or mason do this fancy stuff. It´s been a long time