Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-27 Thread Ruby Clayton
@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:22:55 PM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted Hi, I have been reading all the posts and basically agreeing with what everyone has been saying - even when the posts were contradictory! I think that different

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-26 Thread Ruby Clayton
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted How much meaning is there in DIBELS assessments that require students to bark out nonsense syllables in record time? Above is one of the perfect examples of the imbalance... I guess my point has been misinterpreted. I am

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-26 Thread Beverlee Paul
about balancing among the big 5. Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted I struggle with the word balance. What is balanced about teaching a whole class of learners? Some need this and some need that and some need something else. Each child is different

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-26 Thread Linda Crumrine
awareness/segmentation help wanted On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been thinking about this post since it came up. When we are teaching phonological awareness and phonics, aren't we still teaching meaning? My interpretation of what we are doing

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread bilscntsa
] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been thinking about this post since it came up. When we are teaching phonological awareness and phonics, aren't we still teaching meaning? My interpretation of what we are doing

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread Beverlee Paul
of child and materials and there may not be difficulty with fluency at all. I'd also like to remember that fluency is broader than simple speed and accuracy and that's what DIBELS measures and names fluency. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread Renee
On Jun 24, 2008, at 8:27 AM, KENNETH SMITH wrote: DIBELS gets a pretty rough rap on here and I think it is because it is being considered an assessment rather than a screening. DIBELS is often used as an assessment, not just a screening. Would you all agree that a student who does perform

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread Beverlee Paul
Renee, you've won my heart for the day...or maybe forever. What a quote by Rolllins! The test of a good teacher is not how many questions he can asks his pupils that they will answer readily, but how many questions he inspires them

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread KENNETH SMITH
task. Debbie - Original Message - From: Renee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:48:24 AM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread Beverlee Paul
The question was: But would you all agree that a student who does perform well on DIBELS is equipped to move forward on literacy instruction that focuses on deep comprehension? I wish I could - but I can't. I do agree that a student who is fluently reading a selection will be better able to

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread Beverlee Paul
Debbie says, What I struggle with is my 2-4 kids who can't get through the text because they struggle with the simple words. And, unfortunately, I'd have to say those are often the phonetically irregular words that more phonics instruction won't help much with.

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread Renee
:48:24 AM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted On Jun 24, 2008, at 8:27 AM, KENNETH SMITH wrote: DIBELS gets a pretty rough rap on here and I think it is because it is being considered an assessment rather than a screening. DIBELS

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread Creecher12
In a message dated 6/24/2008 11:29:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems as though we are confusing the point of this conversation. To teach phonics or not teach phonics is not the real question. The real question is what and how to teach kids who aren't reading

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread Renee
On Jun 24, 2008, at 9:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a student who struggles on part of the DIBELS may need to be considered for further evaluation to determine what would best prepare that student for progress into the area of deep comprehension? No..see above. There are

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread KENNETH SMITH
Literacy program and report back here. Debbie Message - From: ljackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:07:49 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread Creecher12
In This may not necessarily be phonics but it helps students see the patterns that are everywhere in our language. When breaking words into parts (again, not necessarily phonics, but geared for the older students), they gain alot of comprehension when they are able to understand root

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-24 Thread ljackson
This is so well stated, Nancy. Lori On 6/24/08 7:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In This may not necessarily be phonics but it helps students see the patterns that are everywhere in our language. When breaking words into parts (again, not necessarily phonics, but

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-23 Thread Beverlee Paul
Pat, could you amplify your question more about recommending any type of instruction?Please explain what a meaning based approach is? Do you recommend any type of instruction.Pat K _ Enter the Zune-A-Day Giveaway for your chance to

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-22 Thread DeMilleReed
Debbie, Maybe someone already suggested this, but, I find Marilyn Adam's, Phonemic Awareness in Young Children to be indispensable. The early sections are aimed at younger children but the lessons with blending, segmenting, substitution and deletion could be used with any age group. I've

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-22 Thread Heather Waymouth
Debbie - Have you looked at any of Benita Blachman's work? She's done a lot with Phonemic awareness as well as phonics instruction. Her book Rode to the Code has been out for a bit now and focuses on Phonemic Awareness and maybe some early phonics. I believe it's designed for Kidergarten,

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-22 Thread Creecher12
In a message dated 6/22/2008 11:22:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please explain what a meaning based approach is? Do you recommend any type of instruction. Thanks for asking Pat. I was getting kind of frustrated that all this talk about parts was going on and

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-22 Thread Patricia Kimathi
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[MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-21 Thread KENNETH SMITH
Hi, all, I am looking for some suggestions on teaching phonemic awareness and segmentation to older students (3rd and 4th grade). I have several students who just don't get it, and they can read lots of words, but they are limited to the words they know and don't know how to apply decoding

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-21 Thread Linda Crumrine
Hi Debbie, We have found Lexia, both the Primary Reading (ages 5-8) and SOS (Strategies for Older Students) to be successful with our 3rd and 4th graders. It is a computer program that branches, depending on the rate and accuracy of each student's responses. The program tracks rate and

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-21 Thread Dr. Heidi Maier
Email Group mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Subject: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted Hi, all, I am looking for some suggestions on teaching phonemic awareness and segmentation to older students (3rd and 4th grade). I have several students who just don't get it, and they can read

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-21 Thread Linda Crumrine
They write daily in writing workshop. On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much are these children writing? Nancy Creech **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-21 Thread Creecher12
In a message dated 6/21/2008 11:22:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They write daily in writing workshop. What do you see when you analyze their writing? I find that I can tell more about comprehension, fluency and strengths as readers from a student's writing

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-21 Thread joycen2
I would look at the Fundations Program from the Wilson Reading Program. -- Original message -- From: KENNETH SMITH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, all, I am looking for some suggestions on teaching phonemic awareness and segmentation to older students (3rd and 4th

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-21 Thread Mary and Pete Montoya
awareness/segmentation help wanted Hi, all, I am looking for some suggestions on teaching phonemic awareness and segmentation to older students (3rd and 4th grade). I have several students who just don't get it, and they can read lots of words, but they are limited to the words they know

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-21 Thread Angela Hampton
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:58:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted I recently did a presentation on language and auditory processing, and these problems may be related to a disorder in central

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-21 Thread Mary and Pete Montoya
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:58:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted I recently did a presentation on language and auditory processing, and these problems may

Re: [MOSAIC] phonemic awareness/segmentation help wanted

2008-06-21 Thread Beverlee Paul
Debbie, it seems to me that there is an underlying consideration here, but I don't really have enough information to know. It's imperative that kids like these read materials at their instructional level when working with you and independent level when reading on their own. It sounds to me