Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-27 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Friday 24 May 2002 12:18 am, civileme opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: Well, Brian it was all over the internet news, including the Register, August 1999. And you can still find the story at www.cryptonym.com where they exvaluated the security

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-24 Thread civileme
Brian Koppe wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: snip Ummm, Miark, in august 1999, cryptonym corporation was examining a Service pack release of NT4 from which microsoft had inadvertantly forgotten to strip the data tags. Civileme snip Since the NSA is able to spy on citizens by virtue

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-24 Thread shane
On Friday 24 May 2002 12:18 am, civileme opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: Well, Brian it was all over the internet news, including the Register, August 1999. And you can still find the story at www.cryptonym.com where they exvaluated the security

RE: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-24 Thread Schwenk, Jeanie
] OT: National security and M$ On Friday 24 May 2002 12:18 am, civileme opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: Well, Brian it was all over the internet news, including the Register, August 1999. And you can still find the story at www.cryptonym.com where

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-24 Thread shane
On Friday 24 May 2002 10:44 am, Schwenk, Jeanie opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: the url to cryptonym intentionally left blank. Security is an pet area of interest to me, where have you gotten the info on what Ashcroft is doing? there was a bit on

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-23 Thread Brian Koppe
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: snip Ummm, Miark, in august 1999, cryptonym corporation was examining a Service pack release of NT4 from which microsoft had inadvertantly forgotten to strip the data tags. Civileme snip Since the NSA is able to spy on citizens by virtue of the NSA backdoor so

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-19 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Saturday 18 May 2002 02:07 am, you wrote: On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 20:50, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Actually, Derek, it's worse than that. From what I've been reading at www.theregister.co.uk, it seems that the UK government is setting up their web sites so that you will not be able to access

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-18 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 20:50, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Actually, Derek, it's worse than that. From what I've been reading at www.theregister.co.uk, it seems that the UK government is setting up their web sites so that you will not be able to access them unless you are using MicroSoft

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-18 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 16:47, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Lyvim, I can assure you that the danish government is no better, if that can comfort you. It is owned by Micro$oft. However, let's not get too depressed. By and by things seems to develop : In France there's a strong movement towards

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-18 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 21:17, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Tony has been sucking up to Microsoft for a while now. The last time Bill Gates visited, he was treated like royalty, and Tony was even at the product launch of Office XP as part of his election campaign. Apparently, the gateway.gov.uk

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-18 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 20:20, FemmeFatale wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The government taxes the individuals, while it's buddy MicroSh*t provides a spy conduit by which the government can track individuals that don't like the taxes, while MicroSh*t taxes the individuals, while the

RE: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-18 Thread Franki
:-) regards Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lyvim Xaphir Sent: Saturday, 18 May 2002 2:19 PM To: NewbieMandrake-List Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$ On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 21:17, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Tony has been

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-18 Thread Robin
Sridhar wrote Tony has been sucking up to Microsoft for a while now. The last time Bill Gates visited, he was treated like royalty, and Tony was even at the product launch of Office XP as part of his election campaign. Apparently, the gateway.gov.uk site, which is part of the e-government

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-18 Thread Roger Sherman
On Sat, 18 May 2002, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Not that the Australian government is much better. Prime Minister John Howard bent over backwards to meet with Bill Gates the last time he was here, yet he totally ignored Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison when they visited. What part of

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-18 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Sat, 18 May 2002 17:29:51 -0400 (EDT), Roger Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What part of Australia are you from, Sridhar? I'm going to be visiting a friend in Queensland sometime around Aug/Sept/Oct... I'm in Sydney, New South Wales. Not exactly very close to Queensland: about 1000Km to

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread Robin Turner
On Thursday 16 May 2002 22:02, Kaj Haulrich wrote: /snip Lyvim, what makes you think the American government is so special ? Or for that matter, Microsoft? Sure, it's a big unscrupulous corporation, but is it doing anything much worse than most other multinationals? The strength of

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread Alastair Scott
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 17 May 2002 8:54 am, Robin Turner wrote: On Thursday 16 May 2002 10:32, Miark wrote: Shane and I were talking about M$ products and the government. I thought y'all might be interested too. First, the Peruvian government is putting

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread iceburgh69
Do you have any idea how much it costs for the right to put the Microsoft logo on a box? Bill Gates is a clever thief. Ever hear of MS- DOS? That wasn't Gates' brainchild, it was IBM's. Only because they forgot to secure their rights to it. When I first started with computers oh so many moons

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread Brian Koppe
Ever hear of MS- DOS? That wasn't Gates' brainchild, it was IBM's. Only because they forgot to secure their rights to it. Know of any sources to support this? Thanks Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread darklord
On Friday 17 May 2002 06:37 am, you wrote: On Friday 17 May 2002 06:24 am, Brian Koppe wrote: Ever hear of MS- DOS? That wasn't Gates' brainchild, it was IBM's. Only because they forgot to secure their rights to it. Know of any sources to support this? The history of MS-DOS is

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread darklord
Didn't Gates also use a lot of CMP and Unix stuff as well? (ah well, take whatever is out there, use it for your own - I guess a leopard can't change its spots after all! grin) Sorry, gotta correct myself here...that was supposed to be CPM. ;-) --

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread Miark
Robin, Check out http://www.gnu.org.pe/preyres.html Man, I'm reading through the response letter again. If I didn't hate M$ so much, I'd feel sorry for them because Nunez has utterly cut Microshaft to pieces!! It's a slaughter! It's so beautiful, it brings a tear to these old man's eyes.

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Friday 17 May 2002 07:20 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 15:02, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Lyvim, what makes you think the American government is so special ? Kaj Haulrich Denmark There's no intimation here that this is an isolated case, Kaj. I just don't have any

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread Derek Byram
On Friday 17 May 2002 21:47, you wrote: On Friday 17 May 2002 07:20 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 15:02, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Lyvim, what makes you think the American government is so special ? Kaj Haulrich Denmark There's no intimation here that this is an

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Friday 17 May 2002 06:48 pm, you wrote: On Friday 17 May 2002 21:47, you wrote: On Friday 17 May 2002 07:20 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 15:02, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Lyvim, what makes you think the American government is so special ? Kaj Haulrich Denmark

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Fri, 17 May 2002 23:48:39 +0100, Derek Byram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 17 May 2002 21:47, you wrote: On Friday 17 May 2002 07:20 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 15:02, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Lyvim, what makes you think the American government is so special ?

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread shane
On Friday 17 May 2002 17:50, Carroll Grigsby opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: Actually, Derek, it's worse than that. From what I've been reading at www.theregister.co.uk, it seems that the UK government is setting up their web sites so that you will

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread daRcmaTTeR
On Thu, 16 May 2002, FemmeFatale wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The government taxes the individuals, while it's buddy MicroSh*t provides a spy conduit by which the government can track individuals that don't like the taxes, while MicroSh*t taxes the individuals, while the government

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread Derek Byram
On Saturday 18 May 2002 02:26, you wrote: On Friday 17 May 2002 17:50, Carroll Grigsby opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: Actually, Derek, it's worse than that. From what I've been reading at www.theregister.co.uk, it seems that the UK government is

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread shane
On Friday 17 May 2002 20:05, Derek Byram opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: I have learned a lot from this thread and others on this list, believe me. I'd never fully understood the implications from just reading The Register which I have linked on my

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-17 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
Lol!! Shane, that sig is classic. Keep up the good work. :) On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 21:26, shane wrote: On Friday 17 May 2002 17:50, Carroll Grigsby opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: Actually, Derek, it's worse than that. From what I've been reading

[newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread Miark
Shane and I were talking about M$ products and the government. I thought y'all might be interested too. First, the Peruvian government is putting through a bill that would eliminate closed, proprietary software (M$ software) from government computers. The General Manager of M$ in Peru wrote a

AW: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread - hybrid -
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Im Auftrag von Brian Koppe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Mai 2002 10:46 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$ WOW. I'm actually writing a research paper on M$ right now. If you know and could tell me your sources for these things it would

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread Brian Koppe
WOW. I'm actually writing a research paper on M$ right now. If you know and could tell me your sources for these things it would be GREATLY appreciated Thanks! Brian Miark wrote: Shane and I were talking about M$ products and the government. I thought y'all might be interested too.

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread civileme
Miark wrote: Shane and I were talking about M$ products and the government. I thought y'all might be interested too. First, the Peruvian government is putting through a bill that would eliminate closed, proprietary software (M$ software) from government computers. The General Manager of M$ in

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread darklord
On Thursday 16 May 2002 05:12 am, you wrote: Miark wrote: Shane and I were talking about M$ products and the government. I thought y'all might be interested too. Didn't the German armed forces (?) also drop Windog because somebody was using it to spy on them? Seems like I saw that a while

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread shane
On Thursday 16 May 2002 01:46, Brian Koppe opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: WOW. I'm actually writing a research paper on M$ right now. If you know and could tell me your sources for these things it would be GREATLY appreciated the vast majority of

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread Carroll Grigsby
Brian: Here's a link to an English translation of the letter from the Peruvian senator to the head of MS in Peru: http://www.gnu.org.pe/resmseng.html About the only thing that he didn't say was, and the horse you rode in on. Good stuff. This is a guy I'd like to vote for. -- cmg On Thursday

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 05:12, civileme wrote: Ummm, Miark, in august 1999, cryptonym corporation was examining a Service pack release of NT4 from which microsoft had inadvertantly forgotten to strip the data tags. Microsoft has (or had) in Win9x and WinNT cruyptographic keys for

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 10:34, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Brian: Here's a link to an English translation of the letter from the Peruvian senator to the head of MS in Peru: http://www.gnu.org.pe/resmseng.html About the only thing that he didn't say was, and the horse you rode in on. Good stuff.

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread shane
On Thursday 16 May 2002 07:52, Lyvim Xaphir opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: Since the NSA is able to spy on citizens by virtue of the NSA backdoor so thoughtfully provided by M$, would this not be an excellent reason for the government to maintain an

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Thursday 16 May 2002 04:52 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: snip So while the Peruvian Government does the right thing, the corrupt American government violates it's own Antitrust laws by giving M$ a carte blanc to rape and pillage the public with the M$ Tax. We are all, after all, nothing but

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread shane
On Thursday 16 May 2002 12:02, Kaj Haulrich opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: Lyvim, what makes you think the American government is so special ? timing is everything http://www.theregus.com/content/6/24966.html -- If you set a man by a fire, you

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 15:02, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Lyvim, what makes you think the American government is so special ? Kaj Haulrich Denmark There's no intimation here that this is an isolated case, Kaj. I just don't have any comprehensive data on other government's right or wrong doings.

Re: [newbie] OT: National security and M$

2002-05-16 Thread Jon Doe
On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 05:12, civileme wrote: Ummm, Miark, in august 1999, cryptonym corporation was examining a Service pack release of NT4 from which microsoft had inadvertantly forgotten to strip the data tags. Microsoft has (or had) in Win9x and WinNT cruyptographic keys for