Then there is the Sears business model: they buy more and more of a
smaller companies output, then suddenly cancel. This forces the company into
financial distress, ripe for aquisition. The mistake here is for the company
to become dependant upon one buyer, but when someone wants to buy
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Dacia and AzureRose wrote:
chill out dude. We talk about all things
hardware/computer related on this list. Education of
all kinds happens here. That's a big part of the
beauty of this list.
I agree. It is fun to learn about other things that are discussed
here. We're not
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel
Bodanske
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 12:32 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
My first job was selling Sanyo 8086 and 8088s back in 84, and I started
programming on tandies in 81
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
My first job was selling Sanyo 8086 and 8088s back in 84, and I started
programming on tandies in 81
Anybody else on this list old enough to remember when the "suits"
didn't run things, and games/software were porte
Daniel Bodanske wrote:
My first job was selling Sanyo 8086 and 8088s back in 84, and I started
programming on tandies in 81
Hi Daniel. Cut my teeth on an old Atari 800XL. Remember those? ;-)
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From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Romanator" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
sounds like this guy has been sitting at his monitor too long and has
consumed massive quantities
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
My first job was selling Sanyo 8086 and 8088s back in 84, and I started
programming on tandies in 81
Anybody else on this list old enough to remember when the "suits"
didn't
Since you took the time and trouble to "respond" for everyone's
edification, I will respond to you [and, everyone, I'm lengthy but I hope
others of you will find this interesting].
In the post that I responded to we were talking about microprocessors.
Doesn't your computer use a
rk
done.
Original Message Follows
From: "Ronald J. Hall" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:11:44 -0400
Romanator wrote:
I am not 100% sure but it sounds familiar. The
"Austin L. Denyer (SysAdmin.) as root" wrote:
Oh yes - those were the days!
nostalgia
I remember thinking all my birthdays had come at once when I managed to
upgrade my Sinclair ZX81 from 1kb to 16kb RAM. And, that 16kb cost me
more than 64Mb would today...
The printer was a small
chill out dude. We talk about all things
hardware/computer related on this list. Education of
all kinds happens here. That's a big part of the
beauty of this list.
Dacia
--- Frank Nazario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[since I received only 35 Newbie on the 25th,
My first job was selling Sanyo 8086 and 8088s back in 84, and I started
programming on tandies in 81
Anybody else on this list old enough to remember when the "suits"
didn't run things, and games/software were ported to every single
platform, just because they could/it was neat? Circa
sounds like this guy has been sitting at his monitor too long and has
consumed massive quantities of coffee! He needs to unplug for a while and
go pee!! ;)
--
Mark
** =/\= No Penguins were harmed |
** _||_ in the
Sure sounds like it. If you're going to have a penguin as a pet, a
little humour is highly encouraged.
Roman
Registered Linux User #179293
Mark Weaver wrote:
sounds like this guy has been sitting at his monitor too long and has
consumed massive quantities of coffee! He needs to unplug
Just my $0.02
The guy from PARC who invented Ethernet and later took it with him when he
left?
Name was Bob Metcalfe, founder of 3Com.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
Steve,
Are you using Chinese on Mandrake? I tried briefly by choosing GB
Simplified
Chinese in the language setting which converted my menus to code. I then
tried
selecting a Chinese font but it
Anybody else on this list old enough to remember when the "suits"
didn't run things, and games/software were ported to every single
platform, just because they could/it was neat? Circa '80's with
names like Tandy, Atari, Amiga, etc, etc,... ;-)
Oh yes - those were the days!
nostalgia
essage Follows
From: "Ronald J. Hall" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:11:44 -0400
Romanator wrote:
I am not 100% sure but it sounds familiar. They have purchased a lot of
the s
Frank Nazario wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[since I received only 35 Newbie on the 25th, none on the 26th 27th I'm
reposting this. If there was an answer I would appreciate it if someone
would forward it to me. I had thought that the Newbie server might be down,
but since I
O
--- Nickolas Koehne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you guys wanna know how PARC Engineers built the
Xerox Alto, how Steve
Jobs "acquired" the design, and how microsoft stole
it...
A lot of the Apple rights were due to the fact that Xerox neither
patented nor copyrighted mice, windows, etc. In
fun with Linux in China!)
Steve Weltman
- Original Message -
From: "Daniel J. Ferris" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
"Let's face it: getting support for Windows is m
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[since I received only 35 Newbie on the 25th, none on the 26th 27th I'm
reposting this. I had thought that the Newbie server might be down, but
since I have only a few (rather than scads) messages from Newbie today I'm
assuming that I just didn't get my mail for
windows sucks
--
Mark
** Registered Linux user # 182496 **
On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Romanator wrote:
"Ronald J. Hall" wrote:
Romanator wrote:
Nyuk..Nyuk..
grin Seriously though, isn't it a well documented fact that MS
has "acquired" (and I use that term
Romanator wrote:
I am not 100% sure but it sounds familiar. They have purchased a lot of
the smaller companies that provide coding, installation, uninstall,
'dll' stuff. A fair chunk of the coding is not necessarily written
inside the Microsoft building. They own many smaller companies that
"Ronald J. Hall" wrote:
Romanator wrote:
Nyuk..Nyuk..
grin Seriously though, isn't it a well documented fact that MS
has "acquired" (and I use that term loosely!) much of Windoze code?
PS For example, the compression (HD) software. Didn't they have
to buy the code from a small
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Apple has always used Motorola. But I never heard the final disposition
of the copyright issue for the microprocessor chip itself. Last I heard some
guy in a garage was going to be granted the basic patent for the
microprocessor. What became of this? -Gary-
Romanator wrote:
Nyuk..Nyuk..
grin Seriously though, isn't it a well documented fact that MS
has "acquired" (and I use that term loosely!) much of Windoze code?
PS For example, the compression (HD) software. Didn't they have
to buy the code from a small company that was suing them? ;-)
--
nt: Monday, July 24, 2000 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
Paul wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Dacia and AzureRose wrote:
Yes, apple sued microsoft in the early 80's for
stealing the GUI from them but microsoft argued
successfully that GUI is the future of
ything you want to know about how the
GUI was born. Including
it's conception in 1945.
-Darkeyes
- Original Message -
From: "Romanator" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
I've heard many times over the years that Apple got the graphical
interface idea from the Xerox PaloAltoResearchCenter people. A couple of
years ago I saw (?The Pirates of Silicon Valley? -- don't recall) which
portrayed the people at PARC adamently against showing this idea to Steve
Apple has always used Motorola. But I never heard the final disposition
of the copyright issue for the microprocessor chip itself. Last I heard some
guy in a garage was going to be granted the basic patent for the
microprocessor. What became of this? -Gary-
In a message dated
When Osborne was still making CP/M computers Xerox made computer office
computers. I wonder what else they do these days also. -Gary-
In a message dated 7/25/2000 2:48:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I wonder what happened with Xerox? So many original ideas.
CTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
"Let's face it: getting support for Windows is much easier than
getting
support for Linux. That's because there are a few things militating
against
the development of a useful Linux
ding
it's conception in 1945.
-Darkeyes
- Original Message -
From: "Romanator" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
Adrian Smith wrote:
actually, i think (could be wrong) that it
Paul wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Dacia and AzureRose wrote:
Yes, apple sued microsoft in the early 80's for
stealing the GUI from them but microsoft argued
successfully that GUI is the future of computing and
as such copyrighting it is akin to trying to copyright
"book" or "magazine".
Including
it's conception in 1945.
-Darkeyes
- Original Message -
From: "Romanator" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
Adrian Smith wrote:
actually, i think (could be wron
y 24, 2000 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
Thanks, very interesting! The guy who thought up the concept of GUI -
Vannevar
Bush - also wrote an article called "As we may think" (or sth similar) in
which
he set out the idea of "hypertext".
Reall
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Dacia and AzureRose wrote:
Yes, apple sued microsoft in the early 80's for
stealing the GUI from them but microsoft argued
successfully that GUI is the future of computing and
as such copyrighting it is akin to trying to copyright
"book" or "magazine". This ruling is
-Darkeyes
- Original Message -
From: "Romanator" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
Adrian Smith wrote:
actually, i think (could be wrong) that it was xerox that was going to
sue
- Original Message -
From: "Romanator" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
Adrian Smith wrote:
actually, i think (could be wrong) that it was xerox that was going to
sue apple, they c
Romanator wrote:
Let's take it a little further. Windows isn't original. Isn't it a
derivative?
snip Awe, c'mon Roman...its okay to say "blood-sucking leech" when
it comes to Windog! big grin
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
Romanator wrote:
Let's take it a little further. Windows isn't original. Isn't it a
derivative?
snip Awe, c'mon Roman...its okay to say "blood-sucking leech" when
it comes to Windog! big grin
A nice little thing I once read in a book (don't recall
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
Romanator wrote:
Let's take it a little further. Windows isn't original. Isn't it a
derivative?
snip Awe, c'mon Roman...its okay to say "blood-sucking leech" when
it comes to Windog! big grin
A nice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Romanator wrote:
Let's take it a little further. Windows isn't original. Isn't it a
derivative?
snip Awe, c'mon Roman...its okay to say "blood-sucking leech" when
it comes to Windog!
A nice little thing I once read in a book (don't recall the
Paul wrote:
A nice little thing I once read in a book (don't recall the title, I read
too much :) is that at one time Apple wanted to sue Microsoft for copying
the idea of the mouse-driven graphical interface.
Then, from Palo Alto, Kodak (!!) came up and threatened to sue Apple for
the
Paul,
I believe the company was Xerox. but the rest is accurate.
--T.
Paul wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
Romanator wrote:
Let's take it a little further. Windows isn't original. Isn't it a
derivative?
snip Awe, c'mon Roman...its okay to say "blood-sucking leech"
Nyuk..Nyuk..
"Ronald J. Hall" wrote:
Romanator wrote:
Let's take it a little further. Windows isn't original. Isn't it a
derivative?
snip Awe, c'mon Roman...its okay to say "blood-sucking leech" when
it comes to Windog! big grin
--
Didn't Intel originally own the patent rights for some of the early
chips that Apple and other companies were using?
Roman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Romanator wrote:
Let's take it a little further. Windows isn't original. Isn't it a
derivative?
it was xerox (sp?). THey had the first GUI and
"mouse" built and working at their palo alto research
laboratory. Steve jobs or whoever took the idea.
Dacia
--- Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
Romanator wrote:
Let's take it a little further.
Dacia and AzureRose wrote:
it was xerox (sp?). THey had the first GUI and
"mouse" built and working at their palo alto research
laboratory. Steve jobs or whoever took the idea.
Dacia
--- Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
Romanator wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Dacia and AzureRose wrote:
it was xerox (sp?). THey had the first GUI and
"mouse" built and working at their palo alto research
laboratory. Steve jobs or whoever took the idea.
Ah, indeed. It was Xerox. At least I had the number of letters in the name
right (grin)
Paul
he he he he...details right?
Incidentally, this particular thread really
demonstrates what I like about this list. Fun,
informative, friendly and useful.
Dacia
--- Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Dacia and AzureRose wrote:
it was xerox (sp?). THey had the first GUI
actually, i think (could be wrong) that it was xerox that was going to sue apple, they
came up with the GUI first. i also think that Apple did actually get it in a court,
the it was ruled that the GUI was not something they could claim as their own.
Romanator wrote:
Let's take it a little
Wow! truer words were never spoken!
--
Mark
** Registered Linux user # 182496 **
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote:
Linux newsgroups provide friendly support for new and old users.
The politics involved in writing articles
Yes, apple sued microsoft in the early 80's for
stealing the GUI from them but microsoft argued
successfully that GUI is the future of computing and
as such copyrighting it is akin to trying to copyright
"book" or "magazine". This ruling is atleast
partially responsible for Linux being able to
the xerox parc (palo alto research center) developed the gui and mouse..
but xerox thought it was a waste of time, and sold the work parc had done
to apple... who then used it..
At 03:28 PM 7/23/2000 -0600, you wrote:
actually, i think (could be wrong) that it was xerox that was going to sue
Dacia and AzureRose wrote:
Yes, apple sued microsoft in the early 80's for
stealing the GUI from them but microsoft argued
successfully that GUI is the future of computing and
as such copyrighting it is akin to trying to copyright
"book" or "magazine". This ruling is atleast
partially
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote:
Quote from a PC magazine:-
"Let's face it: getting support for Windows is much easier than
getting
support for Linux. That's because there are a few things militating
against
the development of a useful Linux support network.
The first is that Linux is a
wow...however wrote that is an idiot ;-)
Dacia
--- Adriaan Barel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quote from a PC magazine:-
"Let's face it: getting support for Windows is much
easier than
getting
support for Linux. That's because there are a few
things militating
against
the
This may have been true a few years ago, but now there are
quite a few friendly resources available. I have learned
everything about Linux from: 1) books; and 2) distibution
mailing lists such as this one. I used SuSE before
Mandrake, and SuSE has a user-friendly mailing list as
well. Can you
There are always those who will expound upon the weaknesses of something
strange or disliked even though they may have no experience with the
strangeness. There are those who will also lie outright to achieve their goals.
So I frequently told my children as they grew up to believe only 10% of
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Roger Pithers wrote:
It expresses itself in newsgroups where flaming is a matter of course,
anyone who can't phrase a question in hexadecimal is torn to bits, and
medals are awarded for answers couched in the most cryptic terms
possible."
Adriaan Barel
Hello Adriaan,
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote:
Linux newsgroups provide friendly support for new and old users.
The politics involved in writing articles by 'ghost writers' for some of
these PC magazines is laughable?
Let's take it a little further. Windows isn't original. Isn't it a
derivative?
Well, Adriaan, you might have quoted the whole thing to
begin with or posted a link where it could be read. That
would prevent such misunderstandings from occurring.
Phil
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Adriaan Barel wrote:
FUD ?
The article goes on to say:-
" Suss out a newsgroup before you ask a
Absolutely. Many ghost writers can go as far as asking the creators of
the product if they like the article before it goes to print.
Cheers!
Roman
Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote:
Linux newsgroups provide friendly support for new and old users.
The politics involved
Adriaan Barel wrote:
Quote from a PC magazine:-
snip
for wimps'. A lot of this attitude has rolled over into the Linux
community.
It expresses itself in newsgroups where flaming is a matter of course,
anyone who can't phrase a question in hexadecimal is torn to bits, and
medals are
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