Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-28 Thread Richie
users don't like linux (and most of us started as experianced windows users.) -Original Message- From: Richie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2001 10:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux Sorry, my

RE: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-27 Thread Franki
- From: Richie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2001 10:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux Sorry, my message wan't pointed directly at you,,, On November 25, 2001 10:33 am, Franki wrote: Firstly, I wasn't talking

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-27 Thread Michel Clasquin
On Tuesday 27 November 2001 04:23, you wrote: In addition, we use integrated menus so that the desktop you try tomorrow will have a familiar menu arrangement and you don't have to be running KDE to use KMail or Konqueror or GNOME to use GNUCash or Galeon. In this structure we are consistent

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-27 Thread Chris Keelan
On Tuesday 27 November 2001 03:47 am, Michel Clasquin wrote: And after all that, I go and use Xfce and maintain the menus by hand! ``vi ~/.enlightenment/user_apps.menu'' seems to be the most useful menuconfig tool on my box. One in every crowd, huh? Two. - C Want to buy your Pack or

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-26 Thread Richie
Oh, me oh my, where to get started... On November 25, 2001 01:18 pm, you wrote: First, the 'hunting for libraries' complaint is moot: I have yet to look any further than my own LM install disks for libraries-- LM is probably better than many distros out there as they actually provide

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-26 Thread Richie
Sorry, my message wan't pointed directly at you,,, On November 25, 2001 10:33 am, Franki wrote: Firstly, I wasn't talking about me.. I was refering to people unfamiliar with the proceedure.. That's the point I was trying to make, it's the lack of familiarity, not a problem inherent to

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-26 Thread civileme
One comment I feel the need to respond to is the suggestion that we put things in weird places. There is a Linux Standard Base, and there is a File Hierarchical Standard adopted and we comply with it. We have had to move many things to do that over the last several distros, but we are there.

RE: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Franki
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tek1 Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2001 12:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux i think that one of the major reasons why linux hasn't succeeded on the desktop yet is partially

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Rick [Kitty5]
At present I use both 8.1 and Win98SE and IMHO in every area where it counts 8.1 is better with the exception of installation of software. As you said what we need is some standardized features including an installer along the lines of those used in Windows. The rest of the time the

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Michel Clasquin
On Sunday 25 November 2001 04:26, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: There is nothing I would like to see than Linux becoming the main OS on the PC market. I wish it well and hope that it's popularity grows from strength to strength in the future. Unfortunatly after my vacation into the world of

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Michel Clasquin
On Sunday 25 November 2001 12:43, Rick [Kitty5] wrote: at the moment the diversity of Linux is its downfall, why should anyone want one killer app when you can have 5 half finished ones, 2 main desktops toolkits, several office suits (none of which talk the industry standard MS office) ad

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Sunday 25 November 2001 11:43, you wrote: at the moment the diversity of Linux is its downfall, why should anyone want one killer app when you can have 5 half finished ones, 2 main desktops toolkits, several office suits (none of which talk the industry standard MS office) ad nausea

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Richie
to getting things on a more even footing.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tek1 Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2001 12:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux i think that one of the major

RE: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Franki
Firstly, I wasn't talking about me.. I was refering to people unfamiliar with the proceedure.. I have always managed to get things going.. but I know a shitload of people that haven't been able to. snip ..Wow, what a lazy bunch of buggers! /snip First, the 'hunting for libraries' complaint is

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread NDPTAL85
Just because something is different doesn't mean it should automatically be harder. As easy as RPM's are to use they still aren't as good as installing something on Windows or the Mac OS. You shouldn't need to hunt for an extra anything not even if its as close as your own CD. It wouldn't be

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread John B
On Sunday 25 November 2001 06:45 am, you wrote: On Sunday 25 November 2001 04:26, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: There is nothing I would like to see than Linux becoming the main OS on the PC market. I wish it well and hope that it's popularity grows from strength to strength in the future.

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Peter Watson
RPM's may not be perfect, but when you install a new app on winders the chance is it will overwrite an existing DLL and screw something else. You pays your money (or not in the case of Linux) and takes your choice. -- Regards Pete On Sunday 25 November 2001 16:34 pm, NDPTAL85 wrote: Just

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread tek1
[stewart] i agree, marketing also does play an important part, and in the public eye, everyone knows microsoft. and yes, linux has grown by leaps and bounds in 10 yrs, and ms should be better considering that they've been around longer. [michael] i think that you misinterpreted what i said.

RE: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Franki
and it was a steap curve for me) mandrake by comparison is mostly a breeze. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tek1 Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2001 11:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux [stewart] i agree

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Rick [Kitty5]
First, the 'hunting for libraries' complaint is moot: I have yet to look any further than my own LM install disks for libraries-- LM is probably better than many distros out there as they actually provide you with more than one install CD and all the stuff they offer has been compiled for a

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Rick [Kitty5]
newbies shouldn't have to use the shell prompt to install something. exactly - we dont have GUI's just for fun, if the GUI tools dont provide the power of there shell counterparts, then why the hell not!! windows is almost exclusivly gui, and there is no end of extremly complicated and

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Newbie
Naa, windows is a dying OS that will never be. On Saturday 24 November 2001 08:26 pm, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Hi all, About 16 months ago I was using Linux 100%. By that I mean that there was no other operating system to be found on my hard drive. Unfortunatly I had to reinstall Windows

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Ed Tharp
Rick, you remind me of a child of say,,sixteen, who believes the world they have seen is it, and views the universe as beeing all from their (limited) perspective. M$winders is not how _I_ think the world should look, _I_ want to decide, and I am willing to allow that one mans cluster f#ck is

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Rick [Kitty5]
Rick, you remind me of a child of say,,sixteen, who believes the world they have seen is it, and views the universe as beeing all from their (limited) perspective. M$winders is not how _I_ think the world should look, _I_ want to decide, and I am willing to allow that one mans cluster f#ck is

RE: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread Neil R Porter
Ummm, where did that come from? Calm it down a bit please. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ed Tharp Sent: 25 November 2001 20:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux Rick, you remind me

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-25 Thread NDPTAL85
Better is a subjective term. Not all would agree. Copying MS isn't the goal. Coming to a parity with the Windows UI (Or Mac OS) in terms of ease of use is. That is the difference. On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 07:48 PM, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Monday 26 November 2001 01:19, you wrote:

Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux

2001-11-24 Thread Stewart Taylor
Some interesting point here, generally I agree with what you say. However you must not forget that M$ is where it is today NOT because of good software but because of a history of sharp practice in marketing that stretches back almost to the foundation of the company.One of thier best departments