Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-04-04 Thread Marc Koenders
Damian Gatabria wrote: On Thursday 03 April 2003 18:36, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-04-12 at 06:12, Lanman wrote: It would suck-start a Harley, from 2 miles away, on a windy day, in snow this deep! Are we done now?? Can we kill this thread and get back to the other cool stuff? Lanman Uh -

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-04-04 Thread Scott St. John
On Friday 04 April 2003 08:54 am, J. Kelley Jernigan wrote: It isn't about money for me. So for my foray in Linux has cost me more than WinXP would have. I've gone to Linux because I don't like the new M$ licensing scheme or the direction M$ is going. I also tend to monkey with the hardware

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-04-03 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Thursday 03 April 2003 23:00, Mark Weaver wrote: The first few times she did that herself I swear I saw her straighten in her chair with great pride and smile because SHE had power of the computer and not the other way around. Mine ask their M$ using friends: Don't you have xkill

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-04-03 Thread Lanman
It would suck-start a Harley, from 2 miles away, on a windy day, in snow this deep! Are we done now?? Can we kill this thread and get back to the other cool stuff? Lanman On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 15:55, Mark Weaver wrote: Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 30 March 2003 04:31 pm, Lyvim Xaphir

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-04-03 Thread Lanman
Mark; That's embarrassing! A 6 year old knows that? Geesh! I didn't! Didn't know you were a grandfather either, Mark! Must be getting pretty old there, huh? LOL! Thanks for the tip about top! Or rather, thank your grand-daughter! Obviously the next generation of Guru's is getting started early

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-04-03 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Sat, 2003-04-12 at 06:12, Lanman wrote: It would suck-start a Harley, from 2 miles away, on a windy day, in snow this deep! Are we done now?? Can we kill this thread and get back to the other cool stuff? Lanman Uh - what cool stuff? -- Fri Apr 4 07:35:01 EST 2003 07:35:01 up 13

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-04-03 Thread Damian Gatabria
On Thursday 03 April 2003 18:36, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-04-12 at 06:12, Lanman wrote: It would suck-start a Harley, from 2 miles away, on a windy day, in snow this deep! Are we done now?? Can we kill this thread and get back to the other cool stuff? Lanman Uh - what cool

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-04-02 Thread Keith
SHARKS WILL NOT ATTACK LAWYERS: Professional Courtesy On Monday 31 March 2003 01:20 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Monday 31 March 2003 05:19, Lanman wrote: And this is a bad idea? Personally, I'm not all that fond of sharks! Besides, we could toss in the laywers while we were at it, and do

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-04-02 Thread Josenildo Marques
On Sunday 30 March 2003 11:45 am, Zariyan Zephyr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux for daily use. I think people in Europe and North America can afford Microsoft

Re: Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-04-01 Thread Jim Dawson
:35 +0700 Subject: Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ? Well, for personal use, it is partial money issue. But for in the corporate environment, it is a big issue, because developing with Microsoft very expensive. Microsoft charges per head for development softwares. With Linux, you can

Re: Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-04-01 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 03:54, Jim Dawson wrote: Actually, the cost of development tools is not much of an issue. When you are paying a programmer $50-100K/yr, another $1100 or so for MS Visual Dev Stuido isn't that big of deal. That's $1100 for my kids to make use of, or to further put

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-04-01 Thread G_REEPER
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Heck last time I checked students didn't get paid 50-100 k a year. Steven On Tuesday 01 April 2003 02:46 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 03:54, Jim Dawson wrote: Actually, the cost of development tools is not much of an issue. When

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-31 Thread m
This is what I was hoping for ... unfortunately it ain't happening in my case yet, but I can tell you in most cases I had to reboot my Win2k laptop just because application client which I had to run daily is causing memory leak and in 2-3 weeks laptop was getting too sluggish. Martin ---

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-31 Thread m
Hi Jason, first off, thank you for your opinions and see my answers inline ... --- Jason Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, m wrote: It's not too encouraging ... are you saying I should give up? Perhaps. Hmmm, I don't like to give up easy. Why don't you rather suggest how

Win2k -LinuxLapTop was Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-31 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Monday 31 March 2003 18:36, m wrote: This is what I was hoping for ... unfortunately it ain't happening in my case yet, but I can tell you in most cases I had to reboot my Win2k laptop just because application client which I had to run daily is causing memory leak and in 2-3 weeks laptop

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-31 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 21:20, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Monday 31 March 2003 12:50, Lanman wrote: You, Sir,...Are a mean, heartless and vindictive man! And don't think for one minute that I don't respect you for it! I'll have to remember that one! Lanman Thank you very much for these kind

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-31 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 21:26, Lanman wrote: HM, You're Right! Where is he? What time is it in the land of the eternal kangaroo? Could it be that Stephen is down for his afternoon nap? Probably in the kitchen waiting for the coffee to finish brewing! Sigh! OH well, Guess we'll start

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-31 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 21:43, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Monday 31 March 2003 13:26, Lanman wrote: HM, You're Right! Where is he? What time is it in the land of the eternal kangaroo? Tomorrow.we're yesterday's news overthere. Could it be that Stephen is down for his afternoon nap?

Re: Win2k -LinuxLapTop was Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-31 Thread m
It's IBM T20 P3 700MHz, 256M RAM, 12G HD, Mandrake9.0. What I meant by 'hot swap' is replacing cdrom by floppy drive in T20 bay on the fly (there is just one bay so you can have either cdrom or floppy drive in). I found on www.linux-laptom.net this ain't working but you can first suspend it,

Re: Win2k -LinuxLapTop was Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-31 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Monday 31 March 2003 22:33, m wrote: It's IBM T20 P3 700MHz, 256M RAM, 12G HD, Mandrake9.0. What I meant by 'hot swap' is replacing cdrom by floppy drive in T20 bay on the fly (there is just one bay so you can have either cdrom or floppy drive in). I found on www.linux-laptom.net this

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread et
On Sunday 30 March 2003 09:45 am, Zariyan Zephyr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux for daily use. I think people in Europe and North America can afford Microsoft Windows

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Anders Lind
As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux for daily use. I think people in Europe and North America can afford Microsoft Windows and application softwares under Windows. It isn't about money, is it ?. Nope...well, some of it is...but

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Jozef Riha
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Zariyan Zephyr wrote: | As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and | North America has chosen Linux for daily use. I think people in Europe | and North America can afford Microsoft Windows and application | softwares under

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Dennis Myers
On Sunday 30 March 2003 09:45 am, Zariyan Zephyr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux for daily use. I think people in Europe and North America can afford Microsoft Windows

RE: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Frankie
definately about money.. though that certainly doesn't hurt.. Its about: 1. freedom of choice.. The right to steer your own destiny as it were. 2. Security.. The list of major flaws in windows past and present is so long that it would be easier to tell you what isn't broken in some way.. since

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 10:45, Zariyan Zephyr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux for daily use. I think people in Europe and North America can afford Microsoft Windows and

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread David Williams
On Sunday 30 March 2003 09:45 am, Zariyan Zephyr wrote: As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux for daily use. I think people in Europe and North America can afford Microsoft Windows and application softwares under Windows. It isn't

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Jason Greenwood
Nope, it's not about money. I could drone on about all of the GREAT things about Linux and OSS (Open Source Software) in general but that has been covered by the list already. All I can say is try it, I mean really try it. Try it for 6 months. Try to NOT use any MS products for that 6 months.

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread erylon hines
On Sunday 30 March 2003 12:14 pm, you wrote: On Sunday 30 March 2003 16:45, Zariyan Zephyr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux for daily use. I think people in Europe

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread robin.bcc
On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 10:45, Zariyan Zephyr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux for daily use. I think people in Europe and North America can afford Microsoft Windows and

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Jason Greenwood
Just another reason to use Linux - you are not buying pirated software. =) robin.bcc wrote: On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 10:45, Zariyan Zephyr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Lanman
Hmmm,...I'll try to keep this under 10 pages! Reasons I like Linux; 1) I'm fed up with paying for something that doesn't work as advertised! 2) I'm fed up with buying products from companies that don't back up what they sell, without charging for the service. Imagine if new cars were

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread mycal62
I agree with all the above as well as this post To all I say AMEN ! Hear Hear ! Bravo! could not have said it better! Yeah ! and ME TOO ! -- Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA ==

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread robin.bcc
Jason Greenwood wrote: Just another reason to use Linux - you are not buying pirated software. =) I sometimes think it would be a good thing if MS finally succeeded in bullying developing countries into enforcing anti-piracy laws - that could really herald the end of Windows in most of the

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Damian Gatabria
On Sunday 30 March 2003 11:45, Zariyan Zephyr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux for daily use. I think people in Europe and North America can afford Microsoft Windows and

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Jason Greenwood
Agree'd =) That's why their attepts at controlling it are primarily the most active in 1st world countries. They don't even actively discourage it elsewhere. They know it helps them maintain their monopoly and locking elsewhere. To them it is just a necessary evil and they probably use it as a

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread G_REEPER
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 While I can't truly speak for all the people in North America or the UK. IMHO many Linux users are either hackers as in like to tinker with systems, want something secure and reliable, or just really dislike Micro$oft. Many are also students

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 09:13, Damian Gatabria wrote: On Sunday 30 March 2003 11:45, Zariyan Zephyr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux for daily use. I think people in

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Michael Scottaline
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:40:32 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: On Sunday 30 Mar 2003 3:45 pm, Zariyan Zephyr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux for

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Marc Oestreicher
I guess it is partially about money for me. A few years ago when I knew almost nothing about computers I was more or less forced to buy a computer with windoze 98 installed, to the best of my knowledge that was the only thing available on any name brand computer and I sure did not know

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Eko Budiharto
Well, for personal use, it is partial money issue. But for in the corporate environment, it is a big issue, because developing with Microsoft very expensive. Microsoft charges per head for development softwares. With Linux, you can develop for free with Java, Perl, etc. On Sunday 30 March

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread m
I've installed Mandrake9.0 on IBM T20. I've already tried ask few questions here, have not gotten much help so I had to go through a lot of searching and reading as I don't like to give up easy :). Issues I have faced so far: 1. T20 wouldn't boot from CD (may be my burner let me down) 2. Sudden

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread DissectingTable
Micro$oft sux. Sorry, couldn't resist. ;) That's too bad, because it drives people away. For everyone with a hate-on for MS there are a dozen people who're potentially interested in UNIX but who are repelled by the puerile behavior that comes with it. I was one of them for about a

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 30 March 2003 04:31 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Micro$oft sux. Sorry, couldn't resist. ;) --LX Hehehehehehe, you wouldn't be you if you could have resisted that Lyvim! and I'll continue this very popular theme: Micro$oft sux vacuum hard. :-) --

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 13:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Micro$oft sux. Sorry, couldn't resist. ;) That's too bad, because it drives people away. For everyone with a hate-on for MS there are a dozen people who're potentially interested in UNIX but who are repelled by the puerile

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Sunday 30 March 2003 09:45 am, Zariyan Zephyr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a Linux newbie, I don't really understand why people in Europe and North America has chosen Linux for daily use. I think people in Europe and North America can afford Microsoft Windows

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Jason Greenwood
Hi, m wrote: It's not too encouraging ... are you saying I should give up? Perhaps. Hmmm, I don't like to give up easy. Why don't you rather suggest how to fix some of the things ... say make fonts in Mozilla look like in Windows. Things in Linux look/act differently to Windows, if you prefer

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Anders Lind
9.) Redwings vs. Maple Leafs OT: Sorry I had throw this one in but _everyone_ knows that the Canucks rules anyway *retreats to his corner* /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 15:42, Anders Lind wrote: 9.) Redwings vs. Maple Leafs OT: Sorry I had throw this one in but _everyone_ knows that the Canucks rules anyway *retreats to his corner* /Anders A-HEM; I might have been away from the US for four years, but you can't possibly tell

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Monday 31 March 2003 05:19, Lanman wrote: And this is a bad idea? Personally, I'm not all that fond of sharks! Besides, we could toss in the laywers while we were at it, and do the world a favor! LOL! Hey Bill! You get to jump in first, you lucky guy! Lanman hey watch it! That's

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Monday 31 March 2003 04:39, m wrote: Hope I didn't upset anybody, just like to hear your opinion. Martin Here's an extra nice one for the laptop: Once it's configured well you never have to switch the notebook off. I've got 9.0 running on a fuyitsu lifebook with 8 months uptime. I just

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Chris Fox
On Sunday 30 March 2003 08:05 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Either which, ignore those that M$ bash - just remember that most of them ain't been laid in a month of Sundays... (high-fives Herr Kuhn) what the man said. I've wasted my last 3am energy getting worked up over something like Windows

Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?

2003-03-30 Thread Teilhard Knight
When I buy a PC it comes with Windows and I dont have to pay anything extra, right? So ... what's the point to do format c: and go for Linux? Of course you are paying for Windows and all the software they push through your throat and they do not ask you if you want it. It is included in the