nicWALL. I think I'm
up to about $5000 in consulting fees trying to solve this issue :)
Fun, fun!
Thanks again,
Evan
From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch opinions
Aaron, I just
and a flame war.
From: arohy...@dpsciences.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:56:14 -0400
Subject: RE: RE: Switch opinions
OK… I’m done arguing this with you guys… it’s
obvious that this conversation/debate isn’t going to go anywhere, and I’m
o
You know, that's a good STFU line even if you're not talking about switches.
> Subject: RE: RE: Switch opinions
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:04:37 -0400
> From: scaes...@caesare.com
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
>
> Plug one end of your Ethernet cable
these
>>>> two switches requires a baseline for comparison. To some, Cisco’s “cheap”
>>>> in terms of what you get for the cost. To others they’re ungodly
>>>> expensive,
>>>> but those “others” typically aren’t concern
.@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:21 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: RE: Switch opinions
> >
> > Cisco switches are web scale...
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Andrew S. Bak
t; *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: RE: Switch opinions
>
>
>
> Careful, that sounds like routing to me.
>
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Charlie Kaiser <
> charl...@golden-eagle.org> wrote:
>
> But can they pipe packets to dev null?
>
> **
You guys have WAY too much time on your hands J
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: RE: Switch opinions
Careful, that sounds like routing to me.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Charlie
---Original Message-
> > From: Jeff Steward [mailto:jstew...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:21 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: RE: Switch opinions
> >
> > Cisco switches are web scale...
> >
>
Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: RE: Switch opinions
>
> Cisco switches are web scale...
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Andrew S. Baker
wrote:
>
>
> ROFL! I can see it now.
>
> ASB
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8
animated movie...
>>
>> -sc
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:55 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: RE: Switch opinions
>> >
>
tember 17, 2010 8:55 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: RE: Switch opinions
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare >
> > wrote:
> > >> How is this not relevant? If HP truly makes a "better" switch for
> >
LOL
*ASB*
* *
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Ben Scott wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare
> wrote:
> >> How is this not relevant? If HP truly makes a “better” switch for the
> >> money, and their support is better… then why aren’t they the market
> leader?
> >
> > Th
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
>> How is this not relevant? If HP truly makes a “better” switch for the
>> money, and their support is better… then why aren’t they the market leader?
>
> This is a flawed argument. See: “McDonalds hamburger sales vs. quality”.
McDonal
It may be time to make a Cisco vs. HP animated movie...
-sc
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:55 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: RE: Switch opinions
>
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
>> How is this not relevant? If HP truly makes a “better” switch for the
>> money, and their support is better… then why aren’t they the market leader?
>
> This is a flawed argument. See: “McDonalds hamburger sales vs. quality”.
McDonal
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Rohyans, Aaron wrote:
> As compared to HP’s “Clustering” which allows you to manage a stack of up
> to 16 switches via one IP address *individually* through the master switch
> (which is manually elected).
HP's current stuff (going back at least to 2005) is call
com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch opinions
I think you're missing my point here... though I may not be clear
enough. My point is one of support value, rather than support cost. Is
HP cheaper than Cisco when it comes to support? ...
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Rohyans, Aaron
wrote:
>>> the odds of their gear failing like this are slim
>>> unless due to a defect in production…
>>
>> …If Cisco knows that, why does Cisco exclude fans and power supplies
>> from their warranty?
>
> Because it unnecessarily costs them money i
>>>
>>> HP is probably lower in overall device failures… but they have less than
>>> 20% of the switching market share. Compared to Cisco’s 70%, that would make
>>> sense. *I’m not arguing the “quality” of HP/Cisco switches here*.
>>> You’re rig
gt;> 20% of the switching market share. Compared to Cisco’s 70%, that would make
>> sense. *I’m not arguing the “quality” of HP/Cisco switches here*.
>> You’re right, both are rock solid!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Aaron T. Rohyans
>> Senior Netwo
one when yours didn't work?
Aaron T. Rohyans
Senior Network Engineer
CCIE #21945
DPSciences Corporation
7400 N. Shadeland Ave., Suite 245
Indianapolis, IN 46250
Office: (317) 348-0099
Fax: (317) 849-7134
arohy...@dpsciences.com
http://www.dpsciences.com/
"I want an A
Anti-Virus system that sends Arnold back in time to kill the
> hacker as a small child before he invents the virus..."*
>
> *"There are 10 kinds of people in this world... those who can read binary,
> and those who can't"***
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew S
;t"
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 5:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: RE: Switch opinions
Three points:
- Please substantiate your allegation that HP support for networking is somehow
inferior because you're not paying for
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Rohyans, Aaron wrote:
> I think you’re missing my point here… though I may not be clear enough. My
> point is one of support value, rather than support cost.
I think that's the same argument the HP fans have been making: Cisco
charges considerably more money, b
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Rohyans, Aaron wrote:
> In 15 years of working with this stuff, I can count on one hand how many fan
> failures I’ve had in Cisco gear…
Well, from what you say, you change out your gear relatively often,
since that's part of your "technology and depreciation cyc
Cisco’s 70%, that would make
> sense. *I’m not arguing the “quality” of HP/Cisco switches here*. You’re
> right, both are rock solid!
>
>
>
>
>
> Aaron T. Rohyans
> Senior Network Engineer
>
> CCIE #21945
>
> DPSciences Corporation
> 7400 N. Shadeland...
id!
Aaron T. Rohyans
Senior Network Engineer
CCIE #21945
DPSciences Corporation
7400 N. Shadeland...
*From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch opinions
>>It’s a lame attempt to a
invents the virus..."
"There are 10 kinds of people in this world... those who can read binary, and
those who can't"
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch opinions
>>
Engineer*
>
> *CCIE #21945***
>
> *DPSciences Corporation
> *7400 N. Shadeland Ave., Suite 245
>
> Indianapolis, IN 46250
> Office: (317) 348-0099
> Fax: (317) 849-7134
> *arohy...@dpsciences.com
> *http://www.dpsciences.com/
>
> *"I want an Anti-Viru
stem that sends Arnold back in time to kill the hacker
as a small child before he invents the virus..."
"There are 10 kinds of people in this world... those who can read binary, and
those who can't"
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16,
+∞
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:
> Err... should've been more precise. I'll try again
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Ben Scott wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Until recently, the *entire* ProCurve warranty statemen
Err... should've been more precise. I'll try again
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Ben Scott wrote:
>
>>
>> Until recently, the *entire* ProCurve warranty statement was
>> (paraphrased), "HP guarantees the product against defects in
Or even divisions of HP...
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Ben Scott wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Rohyans, Aaron
> wrote:
> > Cisco doesn’t offer power supply or fan replacements in their
> > warranty… All HP is doing here is offering free brakes/tires with every
> car
> > purcha
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Rohyans, Aaron wrote:
> Cisco doesn’t offer power supply or fan replacements in their
> warranty… All HP is doing here is offering free brakes/tires with every car
> purchased… big deal. How many are we anticipating on replacing? And in the
> grand scheme of thin
for a few days.
Jonathan L. Raper, MCSE
Thumb-typed from my HTC Incredible (and yes, it really is) Droid. Please excuse
brevity & any misspellings.
- Reply message -
From: "Evan Brastow"
Date: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 7:06 am
Subject: Switch opinions
To: "NT System Admin Issues&quo
Well, the one little issue is that the cabling was put in in 1995 and is Cat 5,
not Car 5e :(
-Original Message-
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch opinions
AS much as I
n answering.
Evan
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 6:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch opinions
Why not contact HP support?
Seems like a configuration issue. And if the consultant doesn't know what to
look for, the beh
ace because once we put the SonicWALL in with
> the HP switch, all heck breaks loose.
>
>
>
> Again, thanks for your opinions :)
>
>
>
> Evan
>
>
>
> *From:* Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:40 PM
> *To:*
re he invents the virus..."
"There are 10 kinds of people in this world... those who can read binary, and
those who can't"
From: Weatherford, Chad [mailto:cweatherf...@scvl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 3:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch opinions
L
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com
-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch opinions
Have you called HP to ask them if they can help?
If it's their switch, I'm
:00:36 -0700
Subject: RE: Switch opinions
> Hi guys,
>
> Thanks to everyone for their opinions. I really appreciate it.
>
> The switch will handle VoIP traffic - we currently have an Allworx system,
> but the voice quality is fairly poor. We're thinking of separating out the
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www.eaglemds.com http://www.eaglemds.com/>
From: Rohyans, Aaron [mailto:arohy...@dpsciences.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch opinions
If I'm not mistaken, a lo
/www.eaglemds.com/>
From: Rohyans, Aaron [mailto:arohy...@dpsciences.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch opinions
If I'm not mistaken, a lot of Cisco's switches now come with a limited/enhanced
lifeti
; put the Netscreen back in place because once we put the SonicWALL in with
> the HP switch, all heck breaks loose.
>
>
>
> Again, thanks for your opinions :)
>
>
>
> Evan
>
>
>
> *From:* Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, Se
NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch opinions
It is going to be interesting to see how the whole Cisco/HP Networking/Server
thing is going to pan out ultimately. My understanding was that HP & Cisco had
kind of a friendly agreement to stay out of each others' spaces for a while
September 14, 2010 2:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch opinions
It is going to be interesting to see how the whole Cisco/HP Networking/Server
thing is going to pan out ultimately. My understanding was that HP & Cisco had
kind of a friendly agreement to stay out of each oth
www.eaglemds.com/>
From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch opinions
+1
Both our old 3500-series Cisco and our current 3750 series are, unless you know
e' since all my experience
has been with Cisco.
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: Switch opinions
From: richardmccl...@aspca.org
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:28:55 -0500
+1
Both our old 3500-series Cisco and our
current 3750 series are, unless you know the CIOS CLI s
se VoIP product do you
> use or think will you use?)
>
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
> jra...@eaglemds.com
> www.eaglemds.com
>
> From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com]
> Se
lemds.com>
www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>
From: Jeff Steward [mailto:jstew...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch opinions
Lifetime Warranty - I still have a ProCurve 4000M humming along nicel
experience is that you get way more bang for the buck with the Avaya
(formerly Nortel) gear.
From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 12:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Switch opinions
Hi guys,
I'm looking at replacing my HP Pro
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
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www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>
From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subje
I have two of those (one I picked up on Ebay for parts) and they run
forever...
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Jeff Steward wrote:
> Lifetime Warranty - I still have a ProCurve 4000M humming along nicely. A
> fan dies about every 5 years and they send me a new one.
>
> -Jeff Steward
>
>
> On
Lifetime Warranty - I still have a ProCurve 4000M humming along nicely. A
fan dies about every 5 years and they send me a new one.
-Jeff Steward
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Steve Ens wrote:
> Procurves rock...just picked up a 2910-48awesome performance.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1
Procurves rock...just picked up a 2910-48awesome performance.
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Evan Brastow wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> I'm looking at replacing my HP ProCurve switch and am looking at a Cisco
> Catalyst 2960S-48TS-S 48 port managed switch. Anyone have any experience
> with t
Hi guys,
I'm looking at replacing my HP ProCurve switch and am looking at a Cisco
Catalyst 2960S-48TS-S 48 port managed switch. Anyone have any experience with
this switch or this family of switches? Obviously Cisco is a pretty good name,
but it's been a while since I've bought anything of thei
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