[osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Due to some changes planned in the way install images are built for Solaris Nevada, we've been having an internal discussion this week about whether it would be okay to drop CD images for the future Nevada builds (which the community sees as Solaris Express: Community Edition) and only have DVD im

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Due to some changes planned in the way install images are built > for Solaris Nevada, we've been having an internal discussion this > week about whether it would be okay to drop CD images for the > future Nevada builds (which the community sees as Sola

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Joerg Schilling wrote: Unfortunately, Sun did not sell DVD drives for the v20z. Are there many v20z owners who don't have another machine to netinstall from? I'm much more concerned about community members with a single Ultra 10, or older PC without a DVD burner than any rack-mounted server.

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Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Unfortunately, Sun did not sell DVD drives for the v20z. > > Are there many v20z owners who don't have another machine to netinstall > from? I'm much more concerned about community members with a single > Ultra 10, or older

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Would you have a problem with DVD-only images for SX:CE? Do you have > systems you use for OpenSolaris that don't have DVD drives and that > you can't netinstall from another system or Live Upgrade from a mounted > image? Speaking personally, no I

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

On 2/23/07, Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Would you have a problem with DVD-only images for SX:CE? Do you have > systems you use for OpenSolaris that don't have DVD drives and that > you can't netinstall from another system or Live Upgrade

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Ignacio Marambio Catán wrote: On 2/23/07, Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Would you have a problem with DVD-only images for SX:CE? Do you have > systems you use for OpenSolaris that don't have DVD drives and that > you can't netinstall from

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

On 2/23/07, Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ignacio Marambio Catán wrote: > On 2/23/07, Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> >> > Would you have a problem with DVD-only images for SX:CE? Do you have >> > systems you use for OpenSola

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Hi Alan, We've removed all of our v20z's so its not an issue for us...but if we still had them it would be painful in extreme circumstances. The ILOM and ELOM both support remote ISO mounting, and the basic BMC on the v20z doesn't. So in an emergency you're stuck with CDs. Best Regards, Jason O

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Getting rid of CDs is not a good idea at least for a while. I deal with users from around the world everyday and there are many who do not have either DVD reading or writing capabilities. (Some don't have CD burning hardware either, but that is getting to be rare.) Surely many of these will

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

What's the functional difference to the user between getting a dvd image that's split into 5 parts and 5 iso images first of all? if the dvd image is going to be split anyways, why not make each image able to be burnt independently? With the present dvd image split up into 5 files, I see no gai

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

On 2/23/07, Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Due to some changes planned in the way install images are built for Solaris Nevada, we've been having an internal discussion this week about whether it would be okay to drop CD images for the future Nevada builds (which the community sees a

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

James Dickens wrote: On 2/23/07, *Alan Coopersmith* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Due to some changes planned in the way install images are built for Solaris Nevada, we've been having an internal discussion this week about whether it would be okay to drop

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

> We've got some statistics which show downloaders seem to prefer let's see the numbers. > DVD images over CD at about a 2:1 ratio - but we don't know if those > downloading CD images could use DVD images instead. The data you have in hand clearly says that you have a pile of people that do act

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Dennis Clarke wrote: The data you have in hand clearly says that you have a pile of people that do actually download the CDROM images. This is the same as the large pile of people out there running Solaris 8. I don't think we can simply shut the door on them without fair warning. Well, some wa

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Thanks for your feedback - the people proposing this are taking it into consideration, and the current proposal was not approved. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering February 2007 Selection: LSARC Chair of

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Ignacio Marambio Catán wrote: On 2/23/07, Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Would you have a problem with DVD-only images for SX:CE? Do you have > systems you use for OpenSolaris that don't have DVD drives and that > you can't netinstall from

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> Dennis Clarke wrote: >> The data you have in hand clearly says that you have a pile of people >> that do actually download the CDROM images. This is the same as the large >> pile of people out there running Solaris 8. I don't think we can simply >> shut the door on them without fair warning.

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

It sounds like the answer is probably along the lines of "don't do this right now; come back in 6 to 12 months and ask again..." -John ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

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John Plocher wrote: It sounds like the answer is probably along the lines of "don't do this right now; come back in 6 to 12 months and ask again..." Sounds reasonable to me. The most consistent feedback (ok, vats of vitriol) that I get about the OpenSolaris download process is two-fold: 1) wh

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

>I believe I know some of the answers/reasons for (2), but >it would be *really good* if they could be spelt out on the >dlc.sun.com site as well as sun.com/downloads. If we have a better understanding of the reasons, it might be possible to come up with a, possibly stripped down, "torrentable" r

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James C. McPherson wrote: John Plocher wrote: It sounds like the answer is probably along the lines of "don't do this right now; come back in 6 to 12 months and ask again..." Sounds reasonable to me. The most consistent feedback (ok, vats of vitriol) that I get about the OpenSolaris download

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Moinak Ghosh wrote: James C. McPherson wrote: John Plocher wrote: It sounds like the answer is probably along the lines of "don't do this right now; come back in 6 to 12 months and ask again..." Sounds reasonable to me. The most consistent feedback (ok, vats of vitriol) that I get about the

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

James C. McPherson wrote: Moinak Ghosh wrote: James C. McPherson wrote: [...] 1) why is there no link to the solitary sparc or x86 dvd iso image? People *really* hate having to start 5 or 6 separate downloads when they have the connection to sustain a single iso download. As a qui

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Would you have a problem with DVD-only images for SX:CE? Do you have systems you use for OpenSolaris that don't have DVD drives and that you can't netinstall from another system or Live Upgrade from a mounted image? No problem for me. But YES for a bunch of students who are trying to get th

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>Are the engineering benefits got out of abandoning CD-ROMS greater than >the loss of a few (?) developers, students and users ? This is something we need to discuss; and what alternatives there might be. Driving upward the installer footprint, requiring "live" upgrade and other current pla

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

On 2/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Are the engineering benefits got out of abandoning CD-ROMS greater than >the loss of a few (?) developers, students and users ? This is something we need to discuss; and what alternatives there might be. Driving upward the installe

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

On 2/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Are the engineering benefits got out of abandoning CD-ROMS greater than >the loss of a few (?) developers, students and users ? This is something we need to discuss; and what alternatives there might be. Driving upward the installer

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Would you have a problem with DVD-only images for SX:CE? Do you have systems you use for OpenSolaris that don't have DVD drives and that you can't netinstall from another system or Live Upgrade from a mounted image? Like others have mentioned, what I think should be done is to have one sm

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

James C. McPherson wrote: 2) why don't Sun provide a torrent? Some of the third-party software in Solaris requires certain agreements be made with those who redistribute. BitTorrent could be seen as allowing redistribution by people who haven't agreed to those license terms. If we someday m

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Ananth Shrinivas wrote: Would you have a problem with DVD-only images for SX:CE? Do you have systems you use for OpenSolaris that don't have DVD drives and that you can't netinstall from another system or Live Upgrade from a mounted image? No problem for me. But YES for a bunch of students

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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Moinak Ghosh wrote: Ananth Shrinivas wrote: Would you have a problem with DVD-only images for SX:CE? Do you have systems you use for OpenSolaris that don't have DVD drives and that you can't netinstall from another system or Live Upgrade from a mounted image? No proble

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On 2/24/07, Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Moinak Ghosh wrote: > Ananth Shrinivas wrote: >> >>> Would you have a problem with DVD-only images for SX:CE? Do you have >>> systems you use for OpenSolaris that don't have DVD drives and that >>> you can't netinstall f

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Regarding Casper's and Bill's posts about a single-CD + network network based install: This topic came up in install-discuss too, and over there Dave Miner just wrote: Date: Sat Feb 24 09:52:39 2007 From: Dave Miner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [install-discuss] distributed locations for install

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Eric Boutilier wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Moinak Ghosh wrote: Ananth Shrinivas wrote: [...] No problem for me. But YES for a bunch of students who are trying to get their feet wet with OpenSolaris. There is already some bad-mouthing about how the Developer Edition needs a truckload of RAM to j

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Eric Boutilier wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Moinak Ghosh wrote: More so when Developer Edition can actually run fine with half the RAM that is required to install it. Moinak -- I think that's 128 MB, correct? Don't you need way more than 128 to effectively run a SX Developer Edition Desktop

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Moinak Ghosh wrote: In that case another alternative is to have the download center generate a shell script on the fly that will have all the wget, md5sum and sundry with URLs valid for the particular login session and proxy settings being detected from the browser's settings. .. And t

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Alan Coopersmith wrote: James C. McPherson wrote: 2) why don't Sun provide a torrent? Some of the third-party software in Solaris requires certain agreements be made with those who redistribute. BitTorrent could be seen as allowing redistribution by people who haven't agreed to those license

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Ignacio Marambio Catán wrote: > On 2/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >> Question we can ask ourselves as community are: >> >> - Can OpenSolaris distributions fill the "low-end" void? > > > from the opensolaris web page: "To build OpenSolaris from the source, > y

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Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Eric Boutilier wrote: > >> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Moinak Ghosh wrote: >> >>> More so when Developer Edition can actually run fine >>> with half the RAM that is required to install it. >> >> >> Moinak -- I think that's 128 MB, correct? Don't you need way more >> than 128

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Unfortunately, Sun did not sell DVD drives for the v20z. Are there many v20z owners who don't have another machine to netinstall from? I'm much more concerned about community members with a single Ultr

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Unfortunately, Sun did not sell DVD drives for the v20z. Are there many v20z owners who don't have another machine to netinstall from? I'm much more concerned about community members with a single Ultra 10, or older PC without

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Sebastien Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Joerg Schilling wrote: > >>> Unfortunately, Sun did not sell DVD drives for the v20z. > >> Are there many v20z owners who don't have another machine to netinstall > >> from?

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

On 2/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Are the engineering benefits got out of abandoning CD-ROMS greater than >the loss of a few (?) developers, students and users ? This is something we need to discuss; and what alternatives there might be. Driving upward the installer

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Unfortunately, Sun did not sell DVD drives for the v20z. > >> Are there many v20z owners who don't have another machine to netinstall > >> from? I'm much more concerned abou

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Hi Guys, It would be nice to have single solid DVD ISO download as an option. Though I know the parts need to be retained for folks who want the DVD ISO but have bad connections. -J On 2/23/07, john g4lt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What's the functional difference to the user between getting a

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting rid of CD images for future SX:CE deliveries

Hi, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Would you have a problem with DVD-only images for SX:CE? Do you have > systems you use for OpenSolaris that don't have DVD drives and that > you can't netinstall from another system or Live Upgrade from a mounted > image? Posting late to an old thread, but very muc