Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-04-03 Thread Bill Rushmore
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, David Powell wrote: > Anything in particular? There's probably not a lot we can do if > they're the SMC technology itself, but if they're related to the > underlying Solaris configuration someone might be able to at least > give you some starting points. Most of things

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-04-03 Thread David Powell
On Thu, Mar 30, 2006 at 04:24:39PM -0500, Bill Rushmore wrote: > On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, David Powell wrote: > > > Though not SMC, the Visual Panels project is attempting to do just > > that. (Actually, if services are all you're interested in, it > > already does do that and is attempting to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-04-02 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Darren J Moffat wrote: UNIX admin wrote: Agreed. SMC sucks dead bunnies through a bent straw sideways; but then again, being a hardcore shell guy, perhaps I'm the wrong person to write that. /usr/sadm/bin/sm* is the CLI interface to SMC. What can we do (other than the performance issue) t

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-31 Thread Darren J Moffat
David Powell wrote: Visual Panels is written in Java, and we're quite happy with the performance we're getting. Java performance has improved a lot, and that's not just because computers are getting faster. I also think it's fair to say that most of SMC's sluggishness has little to do

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-31 Thread Joerg Schilling
Peter Tribble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not really. The fastest systems today can't saturate a DVD, 100M > network, or hard > disk with bzip2. > > I would happily exchange the 5% loss in compression for the 10x > performance win. > > If you need that 5%, then there are probably other ways to ge

Exposing krb5 auth. in Solaris / was: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Roland Mainz
Rainer Orth wrote: > Speaking of Kerberos: what are the current plans to expose the Krb5 API in > Solaris (beyond referring to GSS-API)? While GSS-API is fine for a couple > of applications that support it, others still need access to the `raw' Krb5 > API. Examples are the authorization related c

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Ian Collins
David Powell wrote: >On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 07:56:38AM +1200, Ian Collins wrote: > > >>A simple GUI interface would be a start, even a graphical overview of >>the services would help. >> >> > > Though not SMC, the Visual Panels project is attempting to do just > that. (Actually, if servi

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Bill Rushmore
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, David Powell wrote: > Though not SMC, the Visual Panels project is attempting to do just > that. (Actually, if services are all you're interested in, it > already does do that and is attempting to do a lot more.) Will Visual Panels be the replacement for smc in future

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread David Powell
On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 07:56:38AM +1200, Ian Collins wrote: > A simple GUI interface would be a start, even a graphical overview of > the services would help. Though not SMC, the Visual Panels project is attempting to do just that. (Actually, if services are all you're interested in, it al

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ian Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My understanding is that 16x is the physical limit, before the disks fly > apart! 18x is the limit. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work)

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Ian Collins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>I would strongly discourage switching from bzip2. bzip2 may be "slow", but >>CPUs will only get fast >> >> >er, and meanwhile, the compression algorithm of bzip2 will stay the same. > >If DVD drives do not get faster, CPUs will need to get around 10x >faster for bzi

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Ian Collins
Darren J Moffat wrote: > UNIX admin wrote: > >> >> Agreed. SMC sucks dead bunnies through a bent straw sideways; but >> then again, being a hardcore shell guy, perhaps I'm the wrong person >> to write that. > > > > /usr/sadm/bin/sm* is the CLI interface to SMC. > > What can we do (other than the p

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Rich Teer
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, a b wrote: > Correct. And us usual, Rich hits the nail right on the head, and I have to > agree with him :-) Gee thanks. :-) > So I completely agree with Rich and understand what he's going through. > Didn't Dennis also blog about a similar situation? "Daddy is too senior.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Rainer Orth
Bill Rushmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Darren J Moffat wrote: > > > > > /usr/sadm/bin/sm* is the CLI interface to SMC. > > > > What can we do (other than the performance issue) to improve SMC so that > > "hardcore CLI junkies" and "pointy clickies" would both like it ? >

RE: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Döhr, Markus ICC-H
> /usr/sadm/bin/sm* is the CLI interface to SMC. > > What can we do (other than the performance issue) to improve > SMC so that "hardcore CLI junkies" and "pointy clickies" > would both like it ? I would REALLY appreciate something like "sam" in HP-UX (which is curses and X) or yast2 in SuSE (a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Bill Rushmore
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Darren J Moffat wrote: > > /usr/sadm/bin/sm* is the CLI interface to SMC. > > What can we do (other than the performance issue) to improve SMC so that > "hardcore CLI junkies" and "pointy clickies" would both like it ? Here are a few: 1. Don't make me re-enter the root passw

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Darren J Moffat
UNIX admin wrote: Agreed. SMC sucks dead bunnies through a bent straw sideways; but then again, being a hardcore shell guy, perhaps I'm the wrong person to write that. /usr/sadm/bin/sm* is the CLI interface to SMC. What can we do (other than the performance issue) to improve SMC so that "h

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Bill Rushmore
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Stephen Potter wrote: > > You're only supposed to go through installing from > > CD/DVD once, then create a Flash(TM) archive and > > install from the network afterwards. > > That's great for those of us in a networked, enterprise environment. For Joe > R. User installing on

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Casper . Dik
>Not really. The fastest systems today can't saturate a DVD, 100M >network, or hard disk with bzip2. Indeed. (To quickly populate workspaces I keep a weekly tar.gz of opensolaris; a fast system can gunzip this at 10MB/s easily when unzipping to /tmp; +/- 12s of CPU to uncompress a 230MB file to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Peter Tribble
On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 12:32, UNIX admin wrote: > I would strongly discourage switching from bzip2. bzip2 may be "slow", but > CPUs will only get faster, and meanwhile, the compression algorithm of bzip2 > will stay the same. > > When one factors in that no other cruncher/compressor/packer/archiv

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread Casper . Dik
>I would strongly discourage switching from bzip2. bzip2 may be "slow", but >CPUs will only get fast er, and meanwhile, the compression algorithm of bzip2 will stay the same. If DVD drives do not get faster, CPUs will need to get around 10x faster for bzip2 to catch up with DVDs; that is, if DVD

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread a b
I think you're missing the point. I'd say most of that 95% percent isn't used through difficulty, but through ignorance. For example, I'd say thay 95% of M$ Word's features are unused, but I don't see people claiming that it is hard to use. Correct. And us usual, Rich hits the nail right on t

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-30 Thread a b
That is not a good thing, I do agree, but at the same time - I'd say it's Solaris that needs to improve in this regard. If people can't use your product properly (95% of the time to use your statistic) then something is wrong with the usability of your product. Not the (95%) of people. Not saying

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-29 Thread Bill Rushmore
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Rich Teer wrote: > Try living where I do--and yes, I do know Solaris well. :-( On more than > one occassion, I've actually been told that I'm over qualified! > I can see it now: Interviewer: "So Rich, how much do you know about Solaris systems programming?"

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-29 Thread David J. Orman
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, David J. Orman wrote: > I think you're missing the point. I'd say most of that 95% percent isn't > used through difficulty, but through ignorance. For example, I'd say thay > 95% of M$ Word's features are unused, but I don't see people claiming that > it is hard to use. N

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-29 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, David J. Orman wrote: > That is not a good thing, I do agree, but at the same time - I'd say it's > Solaris that needs to improve in this regard. If people can't use your > product properly (95% of the time to use your statistic) then something is > wrong with the usability of

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-29 Thread David J. Orman
> This is very true, but I question what you meant by that. > > In my own experience, 95% of the people don't use a lot of the features of > Solaris because they're almost completely incompetent when it comes to > Solaris. That is not a good thing, I do agree, but at the same time - I'd say it's S

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-29 Thread Jan Spitalnik
Dne středa 29 březen 2006 15:10 Thomas Maier-Komor napsal(a): > Yesterday, I tried to copy data to an USB stick (documented two issues > concerning this in the bugs mailing list). During this I did an "iostat > -xzn 5" and got about 700k/s on an USB2 stick that easily can deliver > multimegabyte tr

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Thomas Maier-Komor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > right now, I can outline what I did yesterday. If you want more detail, just > ask and I'll provide precise data. > > Yesterday, I tried to copy data to an USB stick (documented two issues > concerning this in the bugs mailing list). During this I

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris

2006-03-29 Thread Casper . Dik
How was the UBS stick mounted? What was the USB device detected as? What USB controller hardware do you have? This almost sounds like USB 1.x speeds which leads me to suspect it's a controller issue. Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list open