Subject: Re: Java IDE?
From: Vic Cekvenich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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CodeGuide v4 of Omnicore.com does the same thing and is cheaper and I
think nicer.
(I used Netbeans as well)
VIc
Robert S. Sfeir wrote:
> (Sorry my last message got sent before I could finish it)
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> Ok the
(Sorry my last message got sent before I could finish it)
Ok there was a lot of talk about this IDE so I decided to go poke around and
look at it. I had been using Netbeans (Forte too) for a while, but always
found it to have either way too many things you can do with it, and
therefore you have
iment.).
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Joydeep Kamdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sendt: 25. marts 2002 17:11
Til: Orion-Interest
Emne: Re: Java IDE?
Any serious users of Orion will absolutely love JDeveloper. This is as
fantastic tool and is free to use till you decide to deploy your applications
2 16:11
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Subject: Re: Java IDE?
Any serious users of Orion will absolutely love JDeveloper. This is as
fantastic tool and is free to use till you decide to deploy your
applications
into production. Thus you can for the first time test an enterprise class
IDE
without the every 30 day
Any serious users of Orion will absolutely love JDeveloper. This is as
fantastic tool and is free to use till you decide to deploy your applications
into production. Thus you can for the first time test an enterprise class IDE
without the every 30 day reinstall
Here's a comparison matr
I hope this discussion won't be too long.
I've used most of the best IDE outside.
Be it IBM VAJ, Borland JBuilder, WebGain, Oracle JDeveloper, Sun Forte,
IDEA.
I found at the end is not the tool...
It's more on our personality and requirement.
If you do Orion projects, pr
What about JCreator? Have you tried?
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Geoff Soutter
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 6:35 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: idea=$395.00USD was: RE: Java IDE?
Go Shane!
This is one of the few sensible posts
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> Sent: Monday, 25 March 2002 10:27 PM
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> Cc: Jarrod Roberson
> Subject: OK, here's Real World: was: idea=$395.00USD was: RE:
> Java IDE?
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> Hi Jarrod,
>
> I would like to share some IBM insights w
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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 5:57 PM
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Subject: Re: idea=$395.00USD was: RE: Java IDE?
Hi Joe,
I usually build tools to build tools so I mostly can't "afford"
to accept other people's design philosophies. Thus the tools of
choice for
Go Shane!
This is one of the few sensible posts on IDE religion I've ever read!
:-) Theres nothing like a little common sense to distinguish the smart
developer from the average developer... :-)
Anyway, my .2c (apart from what shane said) - I'd recommend any of these
tools depend
Hi Jarrod,
I would like to share some IBM insights with you relevant to some of
your comments ...
> So anyone that chants the "FREE mantra" keep using Tomcat and Vi and
> all the other "free" crap because in the end it will cost you
> HUNDREDS TIMES more than buying a proper tool and savin
y have been
settled. Often the cost/tediousness of repackaging classes (for example) in
a normal IDE, is such that you just avoid it, if at all possible.
I'm an independent contract developer, and I normally pick up free or
inexpensive software tools (Net beans, jedit, ant, Metamill, etc). For me to
Subject: Re: idea=$395.00USD was: RE: Java IDE?
From: Vic Cekvenich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
==I tried CodeGuide, and like it, based on a post in this thread here.
I used to use NetBeans.
Thanks,
Vic
Noah Nordrum wrote:
> You can't afford $400?!? where the hell are all you
&g
I believe it comes down to the individual requirements of the developer.
You can discuss it till your blue in the face, but if it doesn't fill
comfortable, then, like most users, you won't use it. Go with what feels
right for you and don't be to swayed with what other people think.
I've been luc
1. SlickEdit can not be beat for pounding out quicky command line tools in
any language, its support for "code insight" is un-matched in any IDE esp
for Java. It is awesome for cranking out straight C/C++ that use a command
line interface also. For projects with hundreds of classes
ively cause I am not convinced at all that it is better that
JDev9i
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Ottinger
Sent: 24 March 2002 12:50
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: idea=$395.00USD was: RE: Java IDE?
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, The Boss
place in the
developer's arsenal.
regards
phil
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From: "Joseph Ottinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: idea=$395.00USD was: RE: Java IDE?
> On Sat
like a man who's used JBuilder and assumed IDEA's just
like it. IDEA doesn't write code for you unless you tell it to. And when
you tell it to, it writes the code you told it to. It doesn't generate
GUIs that suck. In fact, it doesn't generate GUIs at all. It's an editor
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> Behalf Of Fredrik
> Lindgren
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 7:14 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: idea=$395.00USD was: RE: Java IDE?
>
>
> Did you actually try it out or did you just check
> the pr
run back to Tomcat and
> Apache where you belong.
>
>> JBuilder was a waste of time after using it
>> for years, and waking up to the fact that
>> I only used it to package classes anyway. I
>> bet people who are recommending idea are using
>> other people'
tchell
> Gesendet: Samstag, 23. Marz 2002 17:50
> An: Orion-Interest
> Betreff: RE: idea=$395.00USD was: RE: Java IDE?
>
>
> I personally have been using idea for a couple weeks - It's a great app.
> The price is a little over the top - $400? Sorry, but I don't have
idea=$395.00USD was: RE: Java IDE?
Did you actually try it out or did you just check the prices? If you
spend more than one hour a day writing java, I would say that IDEA is
worth that money, even if it has to come from my own pockets. Naturally
I would always try to get someone else to pay for
ilder 6 (say professional
edition since the upgrade is a comparable price)?
Thanks in advance,
Marc
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Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:37 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Java IDE?
Hm
> JBuilder was a waste of time after using it
>> for years, and waking up to the fact that
>> I only used it to package classes anyway. I
>> bet people who are recommending idea are using
>> other people's money to buy idea licenses?
>>
>> What about Simplicity?
Apache where you belong.
> JBuilder was a waste of time after using it
> for years, and waking up to the fact that
> I only used it to package classes anyway. I
> bet people who are recommending idea are using
> other people's money to buy idea licenses?
>
> What about Simp
g idea are using
> other people's money to buy idea licenses?
>
> What about Simplicity?
>
> regards ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Eric Hodges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: RE: Java IDE?
>>Date: 22/03/2002 14:33:50
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nOn Sat, 23 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> hi,
>
> At about $800.00 AUD (roughly=$395.00 USD) I'd forget all
> about idea ... what about some ide's with sensible prices? I
> realised JBuilder was a waste of time after using it for
> years, and
commending idea are using
other people's money to buy idea licenses?
What about Simplicity?
regards ...
> From: "Eric Hodges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Java IDE?
> Date: 22/03/2002 14:33:50
> To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&
Hmm I'm loving idea, but it costs $ - I wonder what happens when the
trial expires... Nag or just doesn't work?
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Szing
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:55 PM
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Subject: Re
CTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: Java IDE?
> I'm fond of Forte from Sun, but it needs plenty of memory and processor
> to run. The two really nice things about it is that it is freely
> available (Community Edition, anyway) and that it is from Sun, the
On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Clay Mitchell wrote:
> Just a question, any suggestions as to what a good IDE is?
> I've tried JBuilder, IDEA (I like IDEA) and a few others...
> any recommendations?
i like idea. since i have seen idea i was a loyal user of vim and
ant. now i use idea in co
with 512Mb
runs it really well. A dual 180MHz with 128Mb runs it like a slug.
Best,
Steven
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From: clay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:55 PM
To: orion-interest
Subject: Java IDE?
Just a question, any suggestions as to what a good IDE is?
Idea for coding, Jbuilder for GUI layout.
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> From: Clay Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:55 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Java IDE?
>
>
> Just a question, any suggestions as to what a good IDE is
Just a question, any suggestions as to what a good IDE is? I've tried
JBuilder, IDEA (I like IDEA) and a few others... any recommendations?
Thanks
-Clay
cc:
owner-orion-interest@orioSubject: IDE
hi
all i am using intellij
idea.
It completely superb.Its having a lot of
code generation,factoring
capabilities.
Can i get information abt ur IDE
plus
In intellij::
Has a best refactoring
capability
1.The most best thing abt is while coding
itself
half of the errors re
highlighted
2
Kalle:
I'm curious, when you say developing J2EE apps, what is the nature of the
application(s) you are developing? Are you looking for Java IDE's with
helpers for servlet, EJB, and/or JSP component development? Or are you
looking for an IDE that supports the full life-cycle of web a
Mike:
So many tools, it's hard to keep track. Jbuilder, Kawa, Ultraedit, Ant, ejbdoclet,
Bugseeker. I am sure I missed some.
Randy
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From: Kalle Anka
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: 4/13/01 1:32 AM
Subject: IDE tools and Orion
Hi,
I'm evaluating different
Hi,
I'm evaluating different tools for developing J2EE apps with Orion. So, I'm
asking this excellent list which tools that supports Orion regarding
deployment, debugging and so forth.
I know that Kawa Enterprise 5.0 with SP1 do, but maybe there are other ones
that work as fine as Kawa does ??
I use ANT and JIKES to compile.
The tags work for me. The only gotcha there is with it is that the entire
runtime expression has to be enclosed in <%= %>, not just a part of it.
At 04:34 PM 1/29/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi
>
>Is anyone of you able to compile your own custom tags which take run
Hi
Is anyone of you able to compile your own custom tags which take runtime
expression values as input?
I have been trying to compile my tag library with "Forte for Java CE release
2.0", I keep getting internal compiler errors. The errors only show when I
work with tags which use runtime expressi
: Saturday, December 02, 2000 2:20 PMTo:
Orion-InterestSubject: Java IDE
Hello,
I am just learning about EJBs using
Orion.
I would like to ask you all which
is the best IDE to use when developing for Orion? Which is the most
integrated with Orion (something like JRun Studio and
Emacs
Ant
bugseeker
On 02-Dec-00 Ervin Jakab wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am just learning about EJBs using Orion.
>
> I would like to ask you all which is the best IDE to use when developing for
> Orion? Which is the most integrated with Orion (something like JRun Studio
> and
I use Forte
for Java from Sun.
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JakabSent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 5:20 PMTo:
Orion-InterestSubject: Java IDE
Hello,
I am just learning about EJBs using
Orion
Hello,
I am just learning about EJBs using
Orion.
I would like to ask you all which is the
best IDE to use when developing for Orion? Which is the most integrated with
Orion (something like JRun Studio and JRun)? Or simply, how do you develop your
own EJBs and Enterprise Applications
Christian Sell wrote:
>
> >but i can see potential for the orion crew to
> >make a couple of modules for forte to get an "ide" that has ejb generation
> >and so on matching Orion.
>
> I for my part can still see a significant potential for the orion crew
&
>but i can see potential for the orion crew to
>make a couple of modules for forte to get an "ide" that has ejb generation
>and so on matching Orion.
I for my part can still see a significant potential for the orion crew
writing documentation before delving into tools and stuff...
other when it comes to the
integration against orion, but i can see potential for the orion crew to
make a couple of modules for forte to get an "ide" that has ejb generation
and so on matching Orion. This way orion application server would allso have
a tool that does it good, like Sybase
Greetings,
I am just wondering if anyone has found,
or is using, an IDE that works with Orion.
We would love to see an IDE that took
advantage of the auto and live deploying.
Regards,
Brett Lane
:\orion' on the 'run' tab.
- Original Message -
From:
Marc
Rabil
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 4:28
PM
Subject: JBuilder as an IDE for Orion -
Can this work?
Like many
participating on this list, we are in the early stage
I can't speak for JBuilder, but Kawa works very well, so it should be easy
enough to configure JBuilder similarly. You basically set up breakpoints
in your code and configure the IDE to launch the Orion application server
once in debug mode. More detailed instructions can be found at
ilder as an IDE and
debugging environment. We are trying to figure out:
1. Is there any way
to connect the JBuilder debugger to the Orion app server?
2. If so, do you
need to use the Enterprise edition of JBuilder to accomplish
this?
3. If not, what are
folks using out there?
Thanks in ad
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