Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Toralf Lund
Billy Abbott wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, J. C. O'Connell wrote: 35mm Film is EASIER than digital, that's why a lot of people still use 35mm. Take the pix with autoeverything camera, drop off the film, get a bag full of prints. Or take your digital PS, review the pictures on the screen on the

Re: I enjoy film

2004-08-25 Thread Antonio
You seem to be in denial William. The point is that the majority of the labs were bad, and that they failed the consumer en-masse. With the technology available to them 1 hour cheap and fast was entirely acheivable. The problem was that the industry got greedy and lazy. Not just a few labs, but

Re: I enjoy film

2004-08-25 Thread Antonio
And finally William accepts the arguments put to him. U-turn? Antonio On 25/8/04 7:55 am, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My lab could. My lab closed in 1997. The one I work for now can do very good on occassion, but not consistently. Excellence hasn't existed in my industry for

Re: Ilford in trouble?

2004-08-25 Thread Antonio
Nope, the film industry killed film. Digital just speeded up the process. If folks were happy with film they wouldn¹t abandon it as fast as they have. A. On 24/8/04 5:00 pm, Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't dare after this. I'm afraid I am more with William Robb now; the

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/8/04, Toralf Lund, discombobulated, unleashed: I guess a question that still remains to be answered is what people will think about digital cameras after they have been using them for a while. In nearly two years and 10,000 shots all I've done is blown dust off the sensor about half a

Re: Sandisc CF cards are pretty tough.

2004-08-25 Thread Cotty
On 24/8/04, David Schneider, discombobulated, unleashed: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3939333.stm (Although, nailing a memory card to a tree seems a tad extreme. On the other hand, perhaps we should try to nail a D20 to a tree and see what happens? grin) I'd like to see them try all

OT Gangsters Was Re: Black and white

2004-08-25 Thread John Forbes
Didn't one of them die last year? Huge funeral with Victorian horse-drawn hearse. Very colourful. Of course, those days aren't over. We still have Van Hoogstraten. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3301361.stm John On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:21:03 -0400 (EDT), John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Billy Abbott
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Toralf Lund wrote: Billy Abbott wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, J. C. O'Connell wrote: 35mm Film is EASIER than digital, that's why a lot of people still use 35mm. Take the pix with autoeverything camera, drop off the film, get a bag full of prints. Or take your digital PS,

Re: OT Gangsters Was Re: Black and white

2004-08-25 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, John Forbes wrote: Didn't one of them die last year? Huge funeral with Victorian horse-drawn hearse. Very colourful. Hard to believe, but it was four years ago now. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/962612.stm Read it and you realise the Monty Python sketch wasn't satire,

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Toralf Lund
Billy Abbott wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Toralf Lund wrote: [ ... ] Or take your digital PS, review the pictures on the screen on the back, deleted the ones you don't like and then drop off the memory card and get back a bag full of prints that you have chosen out of the ones that you took.

Re: black and white

2004-08-25 Thread Jostein
Frank, Both positives and reversals are used in Norway. The latter is an old term and not widespread. The most common term dias is derived from diapositive. Cotty, Are you sure you have read the fine print? :-) George Lucas has announced the next StarWars film to be purely digital, btw. So

Re: Monterey Historic Automobile Races

2004-08-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
Great shots, John. Love the F1 Ferarri and the 1930 Alpha. On Aug 25, 2004, at 1:02 AM, John Francis wrote: Spurred on by Mark's images from Mid-Ohio, here's a dozen of my shots from a week ago: http://jfwaf.com/MH2004/ All shots were taken with the *ist-D, generally with the FA* 80-200/2.8 (or,

I'm not happy!

2004-08-25 Thread Leon Altoff
I'm not happy. I took my *istD into the museum to photograph some shells for a presentation I'm preparing, set up my 2 AF360 flashes for wireless operation, turned on the *istD and popped up the flash for wireless mode. And the battery indicator dropped to empty. OK I thought, I'll put in the

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Aug 25, 2004, at 2:40 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: 35mm Film is EASIER than digital, that's why a lot of people still use 35mm. Take the pix with autoeverything camera, drop off the film, get a bag full of prints. Or take the pix with autoeverything digital camera, drop off the flash card, get a

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Toralf Lund
Paul Stenquist wrote: On Aug 25, 2004, at 2:40 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: 35mm Film is EASIER than digital, that's why a lot of people still use 35mm. Take the pix with autoeverything camera, drop off the film, get a bag full of prints. Or take the pix with autoeverything digital camera, drop off

Re: Enablement! Little Gem

2004-08-25 Thread Lon Williamson
Gonz wrote, in part: Interesting side note: found a used roll of Kodacolor VR-G 200 36exp film in it. Should I develop it and see what was in it? What if it was taken 10 years ago, would they still be usable? I ran into the same situation: found a couple of exposed rolls about a decade old,

Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers

2004-08-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't need to turn the lights off? You should. Ambient light will affect the appearance of your monitor :) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: Monterey Historic Automobile Races

2004-08-25 Thread Mark Roberts
John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spurred on by Mark's images from Mid-Ohio, here's a dozen of my shots from a week ago: http://jfwaf.com/MH2004/ Love the special Starbucks coffee cup holder in the Ferrari cockpit! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: I enjoy film

2004-08-25 Thread Tom Reese
Robert Woerner felt lonesome in his filmness and wrote: You digital guys are bringing me down. Non illegitimi carborundum. The digitalphiles are a bunch of pinheaded geeks who would rather waste countless hours in Photoshop trying to fix their awful contrast inhibited detailess soulless

Re: Monterey Historic Automobile Races

2004-08-25 Thread Keith Whaley
Paul Stenquist wrote: Great shots, John. Love the F1 Ferarri and the 1930 Alpha. Me too, Paul, but what pleased me most is the sideways shot of that 12 cylinder, nail-chewing V-12 '59 Testa Rossa. Seeing that minimum clearance of the exhaust pipes (¾? maybe an 1?) meant I'd never be able to get

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Caveman
Paul Stenquist wrote: Or take the pix with autoeverything digital camera, drop off the flash card, get a bag full of prints. They got smarter. They first download to the computer then drop off the flash card or a CD-ROM at the lab. If the lab screws them, they have a backup copy.

Re: I enjoy film

2004-08-25 Thread Frits Wüthrich
the camera shop around my corner has the choice between fast (1 hour) and quality, or slow (2 days) and cheap. I always used the first option, but I don't know what the majority chooses. On Wednesday 25 August 2004 06:06, William Robb wrote: FJW FJW - Original Message - FJW From:

35 vs digi - Some points to ponder.

2004-08-25 Thread Don Sanderson
1.) Adorama still stocks several very high dollar pro 35 slrs. 2.) My local camera shop added 2000x3000 35mm scanning to their lower quality scanning, they have also just added another fridge for pro films. 3.) The local shop is also now stocking 6 more types of 35 and 120 film. 4.) I have

Re: More 15/3.5 samples - seeking opinions

2004-08-25 Thread Pentxuser
I agree with Paul. The lens seems to perform fine considering we are making that judgement on a 72 dpi scan, which I maintain is no way to judge a lens. I find that, with the exception of the colorful wall, the subject matter you have chosen is very weak and probably goes a long way in

Re: I enjoy film

2004-08-25 Thread Pentxuser
You're not alone. Yes digital is fun and is probably the future. I have a point and shoot that I enjoy very much, but am not about to give up my film bodies when I can have the best of both worlds- shoot film, scan the best ones... Vic

Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers

2004-08-25 Thread Steve Desjardins
Didn't Kodak used to own (and maybe still does) Hasselblad? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/24/2004 2:46:25 PM I like the idea of a camera that will take an optional digital back, as is the case with some med format bodies. I'll soon be looking at a Hasselblad, which seems to offer the best of film and

Re: 35 vs digi - Some points to ponder.

2004-08-25 Thread CRB
Comparative thoughts: You may, if you wish, go out and buy a turntable. But expect to have to get a really good one. Can't find a cheap BSR new? How about a BIC 960? Denon doesn't make any more, afaik. But I think you can still get a Thorens or a Linn. Be willing to shell out.

Re: I enjoy film

2004-08-25 Thread Pentxuser
William Rob wrote by going fast and cheap they gave up the right to expect quality. I agree entirely. That's why I shoot slides for most of my serious work. As far as print film goes, if they're snaps I go for fast and cheap. If it's more serious stuff, I go for quality. If I get a nice

FS: 24-90 FA

2004-08-25 Thread Joe Wilensky
Pentax SMC-FA 24-90mm f/3.5-4.5 AL (IF) lens in EX+ condition. Includes caps, bayonet tulip hood, and Pentax soft lens case. $275. Joe -- Joe Wilensky Staff Writer Communication and Marketing Services 1150 Comstock Hall Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853-2601 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel:

Re:Working wth slides was: I enjoy film

2004-08-25 Thread brooksdj
Vic penned: I agree entirely. That's why I shoot slides for most of my serious work. As far as print film goes, if they're snaps I go for fast and cheap. If it's more serious stuff, I go for quality. If I get a nice snapshot that is printed poorly

Re: I enjoy film

2004-08-25 Thread Billy Abbott
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I get a nice snapshot that is printed poorly (often the case) I scan it myself... This leads nicely into a question i;ve been meaning to ask for a while - does the development of the negatives by minilabs vary as much as the printing? ie. does it

Aussie *ist D Prices

2004-08-25 Thread Trevor Bailey
G'day All. I did some pricing today with my local Photographic outlet. A Canon 300D is about $1700 AU with a Canon EF 24-85 zoom. A *ist D is about $2500 AU with a poxy Sigma 28-70 f2.8. I can see why the punters are flocking to the 300D. It only takes a single tax return and one is playing with a

Re: Re:Working wth slides was: I enjoy film

2004-08-25 Thread Pentxuser
Hi Dave: I scan my favourite slides as well as negs with a Canon FS2710 slide scanner. In the past, it was difficult to get good prints from slides but one of the great things about digital (and I don't mean digital cameras) is that it really no longer matters if you shoot slides or negs. By

Re: I enjoy film

2004-08-25 Thread Pentxuser
Hey Billy: I don't think it matters much where you get your negs developed. My experience has been that when I get some brutal prints back (shots I would have normally just thrown away and think that I screwed up) if I scan them I can get them to look the way I wanted them to in the first

Re: Aussie *ist D Prices

2004-08-25 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Trevor Bailey wrote: I did some pricing today with my local Photographic outlet. A Canon 300D is about $1700 AU with a Canon EF 24-85 zoom. A *ist D is about $2500 AU with a poxy Sigma 28-70 f2.8. I can see why the punters are flocking to the 300D. It only takes a

The end of film and a dry plate renaissance

2004-08-25 Thread Kevin Waterson
If Black and White film were to be dropped by manufacturers tomorrow, I could almost foresee a return to dry plates. If film and the chemicals were no longer readily available, a new renaissance in plate photography could well be a subsititute. Remember, _REAL_ photographers coat their own

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I'm sorry but your digital workflow listed below is not simpler than 35mm film. The 35mm camera is simpler, even a sosphisticated one, and it is much easier to unload a film cassette and drop off then to have to download and review and edit photos on a PC before dropping off. There are still

Re: black and white

2004-08-25 Thread frank theriault
--- John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, After reading the first few lines of your post, I knew almost EXACTLY what the last line would be! :-) The almost means I reckoned without Delgado. I'm nothing if not predictable vbg. Besides, as a few have pointed out, undoubtedly,

RE: Aussie *ist D Prices

2004-08-25 Thread Trevor Bailey
Chris Stoddart replied... Well the 'poxy Sigma lens' performance is probably no worse than the 'poxy Canon lens' at that price point. Also the *ist D competes with the Canon 10D not the 300D, so you need to price it against that. IF (- big if) we get a Baby *istD at Photokina then that should

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers) Billy Abbott wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, J. C. O'Connell wrote: 35mm Film is

RE: Aussie *ist D Prices

2004-08-25 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Trevor Bailey wrote: If I wanted to lay down the cash, I want a Pentax, But price is telling me 300D Canon. As to the 10D, have never seen one in the flesh. Trevor, Price once told you to buy the MZ-60; was that a good decision? How much money did you lose on it so as to

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/8/04, Toralf Lund, discombobulated, unleashed: But what I was driving at was more of the images-on-the-PC way of doing things. I think the way most people with digicams operate today, is they transfer the files to the PC, then clear the memory card and possibly email the pictures to some

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Dan
I'd agree with you on that. My parents just have their digital images printed directly from the memory card. They don't make a copy on the PC (I'm trying to encourage them to do that). I'm not sure if they use DPOF or the image choosing machines in the photo processors shop. On the digital vs

Re: The end of film and a dry plate renaissance

2004-08-25 Thread Antonio
Uh, portability? A. On 25/8/04 3:23 pm, Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Black and White film were to be dropped by manufacturers tomorrow, I could almost foresee a return to dry plates. If film and the chemicals were no longer readily available, a new renaissance in plate

RE: Aussie *ist D Prices

2004-08-25 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: My feeling is that the 300D is a money-pinching instrument on behalf of Canon, a brutally downsized fill in the right Canon model. I hope that Graywolf was right in his comments the other day that the Baby-D will not be the same thing, though

RE: Aussie *ist D Prices

2004-08-25 Thread Paul McEvoy
when I was researching such things, it seemed like the Nikon D 70 was superior to the Canon in every way, for not too much more money. If I was going to buy one I would go with the Nikon. It seems like the Canon gets talked about a lot more, maybe because it's the cheapest of the options at

Re: Beeb 4 Oz snapper doco

2004-08-25 Thread Anthony Farr
Shel, If Shackleton's 1914 expedition was the one where the ship was crushed in pack-ice, forcing the leader and a small party to sail to South Georgia Island in the ship's boat, to summon relief, while the rest of the crew had to winter-over in Antarctica (no small business in those times), then

Re: The end of film and a dry plate renaissance

2004-08-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson Subject: The end of film and a dry plate renaissance Seriously though, why not a return to plates? All those years ago, the chemicals were available and it would certainly bring back a little romance and art to photography. Something I

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers) I'm sorry but your digital workflow listed below is not simpler than 35mm film. The 35mm camera is simpler, even a sosphisticated one, and it is much easier to unload a

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Mick Maguire
William Robb write: ...[it] seems to becoming an accepted medium in advertising and stock photography, although I wonder how, when the quality doesn't come up to medium format film. I have recently become vary aware of a trend towards poor quality pictures in magazines. Images of a quality that

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
I've only got about 9 months one mine now, but with two bodies probably in the neighborhood of 13,000 frames and my face hurts from grinning. It is ironic how often those who actually start to use a DSRL, thinking they will use film cameras along with it, find that they rarely use the film

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Caveman
It started during the Gulf War. They were printing at that time some kind of poorly enlarged 320x200 video frames. They noticed they could get away with it, so why not continue it's much cheaper and enhances the bottom line. Mick Maguire wrote: I have recently become vary aware of a trend

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread pnstenquist
I disagree. By the time you print an image on an offset press, you can't distinguish between a 10 megapixel digital shot and medium format. I wish I could show you the images Clint Clemens shot for Jeep and Chrysler European advertising with his 10 megapixel Canons. They are magnificent and

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread pnstenquist
In regard to stock, the stock houses with which I am familiar want 50 megabyte files — max. At that size I don't think there's enough difference between MF and even 6 megapixel digital to warrant the large neg. William Robb write: ...[it] seems to becoming an accepted medium in advertising

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Billy Abbott
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, William Robb wrote: There are a couple of extra steps in digital that you have left out: Prior to your step one: Go into menuland and set up the following: 1) resolution. 2) file compression 3) colour space. 4) saturation. 5) contrast 6) sharpness 7) sensitivity (not as

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/8/04, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Very valid points. What I would say is that the industry is pushing this PictBridge thing, where cards can poop out of a camera ROTFL What a slip! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Digital still cant match what you can do with a 4x5 FILM camera and lens that costs less than a DSLR body alone. For people who's reference of quality is 35mm or Medium format film, sure DSLR can replace that, but it isnt even close to 4x5 quality and wont be for quite some time to come unless

Re: 35 vs digi - Some points to ponder.

2004-08-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Don, 1 - What we can't tell with Adorama and BH is what is in stock vs how fast stock is turning. My local camera store sells everything Nikon and pentax 35mm and Medium Format. When I bought my *istD last November from them, they told me that film camera sales had polarized. Basically

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/8/04, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: There are a couple of extra steps in digital that you have left out: Prior to your step one: Go into menuland and set up the following: 1) resolution. 2) file compression 3) colour space. 4) saturation. 5) contrast 6) sharpness 7) sensitivity

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Billy Abbott Subject: Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers) They don't *have* to do that...they can just use the default setting. Like someone with a new do-everything-but-mow-the-lawn film PS they may have a quick read through the

Re: I enjoy film

2004-08-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Billy, My experience over the years has not been that great. Fast, inexpensive labs have problems with squeegee scratching, chemical deposits, bad chemistry and cutting negs poorly. I have tons of examples of all the above. Just hang around and watch the staff handling of film for awhile

Focusing screens MX - LX

2004-08-25 Thread Gonz
In the MX focusing screens manual, it says that MX focusing screens can be used in the LX. In the LX focusing screens manual, it says that LX focusing screens are exclusively for the LX. Does that mean that LX focusing screens cannot be used on the MX, but the converse can? Has anyone ever

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Tom C
I love the purist in you, even though I do not have the time and stamina to shoot 4 x 5. I say that, never having done it, but a camera bag with 4-5 lenses and a 12 pound tripod/head get pretty heavy, even on a several mile hike. I guess that why some peope have llamas. Tom C. From: J. C.

Re: Focusing screens MX - LX

2004-08-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Gonz Subject: Focusing screens MX - LX In the MX focusing screens manual, it says that MX focusing screens can be used in the LX. In the LX focusing screens manual, it says that LX focusing screens are exclusively for the LX. Does that mean that LX

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers) I love the purist in you, even though I do not have the time and stamina to shoot 4 x 5. I say that, never having done it, but a camera bag with 4-5 lenses and a 12 pound

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
I fully agree with you in regards to quality. Even when I compared my 67 stuff to 6mp digital, there is clearly more detail in the 67. If I was shooting scenics and landscapes mostly, I might still be shooting film. But for closer, frame filling subjects, like weddings and portraits, the

Re: 35 vs digi - Some points to ponder.

2004-08-25 Thread Gonz
Is any record company making LPs anymore? You can buy new turntables, but it appears that all LPs are legacy copies. rg CRB wrote: Comparative thoughts: You may, if you wish, go out and buy a turntable. But expect to have to get a really good one. Can't find a cheap BSR new? How about a BIC

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers) I fully agree with you in regards to quality. Even when I compared my 67 stuff to 6mp digital, there is clearly more detail in the 67. If I was shooting scenics and

Re: 35 vs digi - Some points to ponder.

2004-08-25 Thread Steve Jolly
Gonz wrote: Is any record company making LPs anymore? You can buy new turntables, but it appears that all LPs are legacy copies. Maybe not LPs, but vinyl singles are still insanely popular amongst DJs. S

Re: 35 vs digi - Some points to ponder.

2004-08-25 Thread Henri Toivonen
Gonz wrote: Is any record company making LPs anymore? You can buy new turntables, but it appears that all LPs are legacy copies. rg There are lots of new LP's made. They are a bit more difficult to find and get hold of though. Electronic music and Hardrock especially. /Henri

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread CRB
From: Tom C Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:09:27 -0700 I love the purist in you, even though I do not have the time and stamina to shoot 4 x 5. I say that, never having done it, but a camera bag with 4-5 lenses and a 12

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Gonz
J. C. O'Connell wrote: Daisy wheel looks better than a good modern laser printer? Isnt Daisy wheel limited to one size font per wheel? Not only that, but the graphics on a daisy wheel really hoover compared to a laser. LOL. rg

RE: 35 vs digi - Some points to ponder.

2004-08-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
There are a LOT of new vinyl LPs being made today, both new music and reissues. Reason? Still the best sounding format given the best playback equipment. Only catch is the LPs now cost $15-$30 a piece because most are now on thick virgin vinyl and limited editions. JCO -Original Message-

RE: Sandisc CF cards are pretty tough.

2004-08-25 Thread Tom C
That wouldn't have happend if he'd been using an *ist D with it's nuclear-blast hardened body. Tom C. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sandisc CF cards are pretty tough. Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:36:34 -0600

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Maybe you ought to try a few color 4x5s of the bride and groom and enlarge to about 11x14. Maybe digital is good enough. until you see that! JCO -Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:20 PM To: J. C. O'Connell Subject: Re:

Re: 35 vs digi - Some points to ponder.

2004-08-25 Thread Don Sanderson
Hi All! I guess the point I was making was we don't have to worry about film vanishing in the next year or two. For those of us who still use film it will become more of a hassle and we will have to decide when enough is enough. I agree that my older bodies will probably outlast my zx/mz's.

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Gonz
J. C. O'Connell wrote: Are you guys serious?, anyone can see, even by your own descriptions of the process, that there are less steps and skills required to do 35mm film than digital. That is simplicity. Your wrong digital is not simpler or AS SIMPLE as 35mm film from a user standpoint. JCO You

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Malcolm Smith
Bruce Dayton wrote: It is ironic how often those who actually start to use a DSRL, thinking they will use film cameras along with it, find that they rarely use the film cameras anymore. I find that my digital camera is used alongside my film cameras. Although I am reducing the number of

Re: black and white

2004-08-25 Thread Lon Williamson
I usually like Robb, but this one I don't agree with. A bad shot can't be saved. A good one can poke through mediocre processing, though. Put a great orchestra on Louie Louie and a fair-to-middling quartet on Pachabel's Canon in D. See which one you'd want to listen to every day of your life. I

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
NOT TRUE, because you are forgetting something very important, ARCHIVING. With film, you get the negatives as well as the prints. With digital you now have the extra work of somehow transferring the files to hard drive, Cd, or DVD or some other digital media. That is NOT simple to someone with

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread CRB
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:37:46 -0700 -- I disagree. By the time you print an image on an offset press, you can't distinguish between a 10 megapixel digital shot and medium format. I wish I could show you the images Clint Clemens

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers) NOT TRUE, because you are forgetting something very important, ARCHIVING. With film, you get the negatives as well as the prints. With digital you now have the extra

Re: Ilford in trouble?

2004-08-25 Thread Nick Clark
I've done just that by getting a Pentax 645. I always fancied one and they're now at an affordable price on eBay. I'll probably use the *istD a lot too. Along with the MZ-S for projectable trannies. Anyone got any suggestions on how to carry it all in a small bag? Nick -Original

Re: 35 vs digi - Some points to ponder.

2004-08-25 Thread Gonz
The operative word is HIGH QUALITY. They were rare back then, and they are rare today. I'm sure the selection is for the birds. Try to find a modern label, normal LP and you're SOL. rg J. C. O'Connell wrote: LPs are still being made. In fact there are more HIGH QUALITY turntables and LPs

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
The difficulty with this discussion is that us serious, knowledgeable photographers are trying to compare what the other side would do digitally or with film. For those that actually save their negatives, film is simpler. However, you would be appalled at how many times I have encountered people

Re: The end of film and a dry plate renaissance

2004-08-25 Thread Gonz
Stateside you might get a visit from the FBI, wondering why you needed these chemicals, post 9-11. rg William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson Subject: The end of film and a dry plate renaissance Seriously though, why not a return to plates? All those years ago,

Re: Pentax announcements trend

2004-08-25 Thread Steve Desjardins
We'll have to pay attention on the Aug 32. ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/25/2004 2:14:37 AM G'day Peedeeemmellers, Anyone else noticed the trend in Pentax's recent announcements? Just pulling the days/dates off DPReview gives the last three (macro lenses, two compacts, another two compacts) as

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Gonz
My brother liked the pics I got from my *istD. But he bought a Digi-rebel. :( He is not into the hobby at all. Brought the camera home, took it out of the box, didn't bother to read the manual. Shot with factory defaults! Got great pics. For every advanced consumer/hobbyist, there are

Re: Focusing screens MX - LX

2004-08-25 Thread Gonz
Ah. I completely forgot about the metering aspects. I thought it was something mechanical, like an extra flange or something. Thanks, rg William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Gonz Subject: Focusing screens MX - LX In the MX focusing screens manual, it says that MX focusing

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Caveman
J. C. O'Connell wrote: NOT TRUE, because you are forgetting something very important, ARCHIVING. With film, you get the negatives as well as the prints. Only problem is when they lose your film or scratch it or put their paws on it in order to archive their fingerprints. With digital you now

Re: Focusing screens MX - LX

2004-08-25 Thread Henri Toivonen
Gonz wrote: Ah. I completely forgot about the metering aspects. I thought it was something mechanical, like an extra flange or something. Thanks, rg Someone had changed his screen on the MX and didn't notice any difference in exposure. The difference between an old and a newer one is

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Caveman
William Robb wrote: Be that as it may, they as often as not manage to bugger something up, usually file size. I print a lot of 640x480 files up to 4x5 inch prints. Perhaps this is the default setting for the cameras, I don't know. No it's not the default, it's the users that bugger it. Main two

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread frank theriault
--- Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many folk state the instant capture and review of the image is the all important feature, and being able to e-mail a picture immediately a 'must have' today. Even I know if I have got the shot I want with my LX, so the immediate review of the

Re: 35 vs digi - Some points to ponder.

2004-08-25 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I'm sure that there are plenty of Polka records still available in vinyl. You can have my share! frank theriault wrote: I don't know what may be out there in, say, country or polka or small-french-songstresses-who-always-dressed-in-black or anthing like that.

Re: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
It is equally interesting how all the film users have an equal number of justifications. Seems to be a rather natural thing about humans. We all want everyone else to think our choices make sense. I don't get the feeling from most on this list that anyone has made a bad decision given their

Re: Focusing screens MX - LX

2004-08-25 Thread ernreed2
In the MX focusing screens manual, it says that MX focusing screens can be used in the LX. In the LX focusing screens manual, it says that LX focusing screens are exclusively for the LX. Does that mean that LX focusing screens cannot be used on the MX, but the converse can? Has

PAW - Wall

2004-08-25 Thread Billy Abbott
http://www.cowfish.org.uk/paw/grafwall.html A wall down the road from my house. This is pretty much as scanned - just tweaked to make it more like the print in sharpness and contrast. Comments always welcome. It's a bit minimal, but i like it :) billy -- The secret of my infestation of

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread ernreed2
JCO posted: NOT TRUE, because you are forgetting something very important, ARCHIVING. With film, you get the negatives as well as the prints. With digital you now have the extra work of somehow transferring the files to hard drive, Cd, or DVD or some other digital media. ... I hear

Re: 35 vs digi - Some points to ponder.

2004-08-25 Thread Peter J. Alling
These guy seem to be doing it so I expect there are others... http://www.europadisk.com/index1.htm#Anchor-7649 Gonz wrote: Is any record company making LPs anymore? You can buy new turntables, but it appears that all LPs are legacy copies. rg CRB wrote: Comparative thoughts: You may, if you

RE: It's over (was Re: Ilford in trouble? and digi snappers)

2004-08-25 Thread David Miers
They would really be upset if after you wiped the card for them it wouldn't work in their camera! Deleting just the images is usually ok, but of course many digital cameras including mine will not work if you do not format the card in the camera itself. For some reason I also wind up with

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