Re: PESO - Concentrating on the job in hand

2011-08-25 Thread Chris Mitchell
23 August 2011 08:29, Alastair Robertson wrote: the red and blue spades add a lot to this and the angle of the shot from close to the ground - must do that more often - too lazy to bend over I guess Thanks Alastair (and Christine, Dave and Rick too). I had to be careful about the low angle so

Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera

2011-08-25 Thread William Robb
On 24/08/2011 11:42 AM, Tom Cakalic wrote: As a generally satisfied NEX-5 owner I was really surprised to see this. A whopping 10 more MP (who knows about noise?). In addition it has an EVF (if one cares to use it), and three new lenses announced. Price is steep but not out of line, and all

Re: Best 80-200mm?

2011-08-25 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Tanya Love wrote: True, good point. :( Which is one of the reasons, I have been questioning my loyalties and *really* considering switching to Nikon of late... Trying so hard not too, but Pentax just offers nothing by way of support for pro photographers.

RE: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Walt Gilbert Hi all, Well, it's that time again. Every 13 years, or so, we're overrun with these dudes. [...] Again, this was shot with my K 50/1.4 on the K-x with a reversing ring. ISO 100, f/11, 1/180 with

Re: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread Larry Colen
Nice shot of your low cost locust. On Aug 24, 2011, at 8:52 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: Hi all, Well, it's that time again. Every 13 years, or so, we're overrun with these dudes. Up until the past few weeks, I thought my area had somehow been spared their incessant, shrill drone (is that a

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:17 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I've resisted the jump to newer Pentax models and continue to use a K20D with a K10D as backup. From a cost vs benefit standpoint I'd be hard pressed to reccommend the K5 unless you really need the few siginifcant advantages it has - high ISO

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-25 3:55 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:17 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I've resisted the jump to newer Pentax models and continue to use a K20D with a K10D as backup. From a cost vs benefit standpoint I'd be hard pressed to reccommend the K5 unless you really need the few

Re: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread Jack Davis
Nice macro, Walt! I remember their chores from the Iowa Aug. evenings of my past. Jack  - Original Message - From: Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:52 PM Subject: PESO: Cicada Smile Hi all, Well, it's

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Saying that the K20's AF and AE are _unusable_ is *way* overstating the case.  *I* use and rely on them.  Yes, AF can be annoyingly slow, especially with SDM in low light.  But it works and is accurate, just as I'm

Re: falling in love again

2011-08-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Aug 25, 2011, at 12:26 AM, Ken Waller wrote: With the Boss, Ford will throw in a day of driving instruction at Miller Raceway, in Utah. Maybe I should sell my Chevy? A great compliment coming from a 'Chrysler' Guy. I'm no longer an ad guy, so I belong to no car company:-). That 444

Re: Best 80-200mm?

2011-08-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
I do a fairly wide variety of pro work for a number of clients. I wouldn't trade my Pentax glass for Nikon. With a DA 12-24, and the DA* 16-50. 50-135 and 60-250, I'm covered for just about anything. But I keep an A 400/5.6 for rare occasions when I need really long reach. I have some faster

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-25 7:37 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Bruce Walkerbruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Saying that the K20's AF and AE are _unusable_ is *way* overstating the case. *I* use and rely on them. Yes, AF can be annoyingly slow, especially with SDM in low light. But

Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera

2011-08-25 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-25 2:33 AM, William Robb wrote: Yeah, but what the hell are they thinking about with this? http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/sonynex5n/images/NEX-SLTadapter2.jpg The Canon T80 got it more right than this in 1985. What a ridiculous piece of bodge. The wankers at Sony have contracted

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Eactivist
Comments inline... In a message dated 8/24/2011 9:45:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jo...@panix.com writes: If you don't have a big investment in glass, are you sure you want to go for a DSLR system at all? The compact mirrorless system cameras (such as the NEX cameras from Sony, or the

Re: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread Brian Walters
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:52 -0500, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Well, it's that time again. Every 13 years, or so, we're overrun with these dudes. Up until the past few weeks, I thought my area had somehow been spared their incessant, shrill drone (is that a contradiction

Re: PESO - Bad Hair Day II

2011-08-25 Thread Eactivist
Thanks, Brian. I've decided to show two more in the series. A friend called one, almost obscene. Heh. That is probably the disturbing aspect, but not sure. --- Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 8/24/2011 12:39:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, supera1...@fastmail.fm

Re: OT 500 people in 100 seconds

2011-08-25 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-24 5:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Fun and clever stop motion video, inside a stop motion video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eqSZSO_sSE -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est It's an interesting idea that should have been kept well under a minute. It's so hypnotic and

Re: OT: New Fuji X10 (not 100)

2011-08-25 Thread Eactivist
Maybe I ought to consider a completely different system, not DSLR. Except I tend to like lenses of 70mm and above. But as I get even older I find I like lighter weights. Marnie aka Doe :-) I think I got a WHOLE lot of research to do. In a message dated 8/23/2011 3:09:06 P.M. Pacific

Re: falling in love again

2011-08-25 Thread Darren Addy
I think Focus is just superb I don't think that word means what you think it means. ; ) Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: Best 80-200mm?

2011-08-25 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-25 2:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Tanya Love wrote: True, good point. :( Which is one of the reasons, I have been questioning my loyalties and *really* considering switching to Nikon of late... Trying so hard not too, but Pentax just offers nothing by way

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Bong Manayon
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:13 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Both  Larry and I have K-5s, so if you are ever around the South Bay you should be  able to get your hands on one to see how it feels in the hand.  Larry also has a K-x, which is pretty close in size to the K-r. That's a good  idea.

Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera

2011-08-25 Thread Tom Cakalic
Yeah, but what the hell are they thinking about with this? http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/sonynex5n/images/NEX-SLTadapter2.jpg The Canon T80 got it more right than this in 1985. What a ridiculous piece of bodge. The wankers at Sony have contracted Naegleria fowleri. -- William Robb

Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera

2011-08-25 Thread P. J. Alling
I haven't paid much attention to Sony's marketing strategy except to note that Sony seems to produce even more camera models than Canon, but let me submit this for discussion. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/08/sonys-big-mistake.html On 8/25/2011 11:51

Re: Digital Camera Noise Testing

2011-08-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Paul Stenquist The K7 is a nice camera in terms of build and ergonomics, but it's a noisy beast -- no better than the K20 and probably not as good as the K10. The K5, on the other hand, is by far the best of the Pentax breed. You won't have any trouble convincing the rest of us that the K7

Re: OT: falling in love again

2011-08-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Doug Franklin On 2011-08-24 20:05, Paul Stenquist wrote: Drove a 444 horsepower boss 302 Mustang today with the Laguna Seca package (which firms up the suspension to mate nicely with some race worthy tires, deletes the back seat. and adds some structural bracing). The six-speed manual

Re: OT: falling in love again

2011-08-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Doug Franklin On 2011-08-24 23:14, Paul Stenquist wrote: The new boss 302 isn't the old windsor or cleveland small block. It's a very streetable dohc engine with a 7500 rpm redline. I /hate/ when they change the spec but not the name. You can tell I haven't been keeping up.

Re: OT: falling in love again

2011-08-25 Thread Walter Hamler
Paul, your thread reminded me of my first love/car a 1962 Chevy Impala SS with the 327 250 hp engine. I bought it used, less than a year old, when I was in the Navy out in CA. The memories were too strong. so I went out and bought one today that will look just like the first one once I

Re: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/25/2011 2:27 AM, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Walt Gilbert Hi all, Well, it's that time again. Every 13 years, or so, we're overrun with these dudes. [...] Again, this was shot with my K 50/1.4 on the K-x with a reversing ring.

Re: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread Walt Gilbert
Thanks, Larry. I put the cheap in cheap thrills. -- Walt On 8/25/2011 2:52 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Nice shot of your low cost locust. On Aug 24, 2011, at 8:52 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: Hi all, Well, it's that time again. Every 13 years, or so, we're overrun with these dudes. Up until the

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Eactivist
Thanks, Bong. Marnie aka that Doe Person In a message dated 8/25/2011 8:23:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bongmana...@gmail.com writes: Marnie, In response to your comment in the X10 thread, the K-x/K-r is really small (really really small if matched with one of those pancakes). I work

Re: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread Walt Gilbert
Thanks, Jack! They do stir up nostalgia, don't they? -- Walt On 8/25/2011 6:10 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Nice macro, Walt! I remember their chores from the Iowa Aug. evenings of my past. Jack - Original Message - From: Walt Gilbertldott...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Best 80-200mm?

2011-08-25 Thread William Robb
On 25/08/2011 9:10 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: I agree with that, but it's not almost. Lenses should have a much longer life expectancy than bodies, and I don't think that's changed over the decades. That is, unless you are Canon. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/25/2011 8:34 AM, Brian Walters wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:52 -0500, Walt Gilbertldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Well, it's that time again. Every 13 years, or so, we're overrun with these dudes. Up until the past few weeks, I thought my area had somehow been spared their incessant,

Re: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread Walt Gilbert
My apologies, Brian. You're from New Zealand, as I recall. No offense intended, I assure you. -- Walt On 8/25/2011 8:34 AM, Brian Walters wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:52 -0500, Walt Gilbertldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Well, it's that time again. Every 13 years, or so, we're overrun

Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera

2011-08-25 Thread William Robb
On 25/08/2011 9:51 AM, Tom Cakalic wrote: The proof will be in the results n'est ce pas? Ergonomically holding that and shooting would seem to be far easier than using any box camera, Brownie Hawkeye, or TLR. We have to compare it to 50 year old gear and say gee, this is more ergonomic? How

RE: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Walt Gilbert Hi all, Well, it's that time again. Every 13 years, or so, we're overrun with these dudes. Up until the past few weeks, I thought my area had somehow been spared their incessant, shrill drone (is that a contradiction in terms?). But, sure enough, the sound began, and I

Re: Digital Camera Noise Testing

2011-08-25 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 24, 2011, at 17:59, Tom Cakalic wrote: I attempted a series of 10 10-sec exposures @ ISO 800 last night with the K-7. Ambient temperature around 60 degrees F. I had noise reduction turned off. The camera had been operating for 3 minutes before starting. First the camera gave up

Re: OT: New Fuji X10 (not 100)

2011-08-25 Thread Steven Desjardins
You can do fine with mirrorless systems if you like the long end. Since micro43 has a 2X crop factor relative to 35 mm, there are many nice lenses above the 70 mm FOV. If you are willing to manually focus, a whole new world opens up since there are adaptor for nearly any brand of lens. KEH takes

Re: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote: Thanks, Larry. I put the cheap in cheap thrills. That's OK, I put the ill, in cheap thrill. -- Walt On 8/25/2011 2:52 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Nice shot of your low cost locust. On Aug 24, 2011, at 8:52 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: Hi

Re: OT: New Fuji X10 (not 100)

2011-08-25 Thread Eactivist
Hmmm. Thanks, Marnie :-) In a message dated 8/25/2011 10:14:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drd1...@gmail.com writes: You can do fine with mirrorless systems if you like the long end. Since micro43 has a 2X crop factor relative to 35 mm, there are many nice lenses above the 70 mm FOV. If

Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera

2011-08-25 Thread Tom Cakalic
William Robb wrote: We have to compare it to 50 year old gear and say gee, this is more ergonomic? How new and improved is that. I'm thinking that this is a signal that Sony is dropping SLR cameras going forward and if you want to use your Maxxum mount lenses (did they change the name to

Re: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/25/2011 11:51 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Walt Gilbert Hi all, Well, it's that time again. Every 13 years, or so, we're overrun with these dudes. Up until the past few weeks, I thought my area had somehow been spared their incessant, shrill drone (is that a contradiction in terms?).

Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera

2011-08-25 Thread William Robb
On 25/08/2011 11:24 AM, Tom Cakalic wrote: I get that you and many people don't like the looks of a big lens on a miniscule body. Aesthetics aside, for certain applications, specifically for me, backpacking where every ounce is an issue, this type of camera gives DSLR results and capabilities

Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera

2011-08-25 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-25 1:24 PM, Tom Cakalic wrote: William Robb wrote: We have to compare it to 50 year old gear and say gee, this is more ergonomic? How new and improved is that. I'm thinking that this is a signal that Sony is dropping SLR cameras going forward and if you want to use your Maxxum mount

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Marnie aka Doe Thanks guys for all the information. I read every reply. I basically like Pentax cameras better than Canon -- which probably won't surprise you lot. It's why I first found this list, and I have had 3 Pentaxes. But the reason I switched, years ago, was because 1.) It

Re: OT: falling in love again

2011-08-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Walt Gilbert You may have seen this already, but maybe this will break your heart enough to cause you to re-think getting rid of the Chevy. It's a 2007 Eleanor: http://www.gearsgarage.com/video/video/v=117723810515 Love the aftermath ... Johnny, Johnny - you'll get a new bike. Relax.

Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera

2011-08-25 Thread William Robb
On 25/08/2011 11:34 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Touché. :) Well, I suppose a Rolex gives a hundred times more bang for the buck than my Timex. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: Best 80-200mm?

2011-08-25 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 25, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 11-08-25 2:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Tanya Love wrote: What I'll likely end up doing is picking up an APS mirrorless, when one with the performance I want is available at a price I can afford, and along with

Re: Best 80-200mm?

2011-08-25 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-25 1:58 PM, Larry Colen wrote: My point was that if there is a lens that Nikon makes, say a 24-105 f/2.8, or an 80-200 f/2.8 that Pentax doesn't, and you need that lens, then rather than giving up on Pentax, buy that lens, and a body to use it with. Yeah, I kinda missed that point

Re: Best 80-200mm?

2011-08-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Larry Colen On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Tanya Love wrote: True, good point. Which is one of the reasons, I have been questioning my loyalties and *really* considering switching to Nikon of late... Trying so hard not too, but Pentax just offers nothing by way of support for pro

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bruce Walker On 11-08-25 3:55 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:17 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I've resisted the jump to newer Pentax models and continue to use a K20D with a K10D as backup. From a cost vs benefit standpoint I'd be hard pressed to reccommend the K5 unless you

Re: Best 80-200mm?

2011-08-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Aug 25, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 11-08-25 1:58 PM, Larry Colen wrote: My point was that if there is a lens that Nikon makes, say a 24-105 f/2.8, or an 80-200 f/2.8 that Pentax doesn't, and you need that lens, then rather than giving up on Pentax, buy that lens, and a

Re: Best 80-200mm?

2011-08-25 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: But still, if I had the money for a Nikon mid-pro body, I'd actually have bought a K-5 by now. Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Matthew Hunt On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Saying that the K20's AF and AE are _unusable_ is *way* overstating the case. ?*I* use and rely on them. ?Yes, AF can be annoyingly slow, especially with SDM in low light. ?But it works and is

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Mark Roberts
I'm using a Pentax K5. I still have my K10d and K20d but they'll be up for sale in a couple of weeks. I also occasionally shoot with my Pentax 67 when I need to clear some more space in the freezer ;-) Besides being smaller than my earlier Pentax cameras the K5 is a major step forward in terms of

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Aug 25, 2011, at 1:35 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Marnie aka Doe Thanks guys for all the information. I read every reply. I basically like Pentax cameras better than Canon -- which probably won't surprise you lot. It's why I first found this list, and I have had 3 Pentaxes.

Re: Best 80-200mm?

2011-08-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote: I would think most photographers use more than one lens on any given job. I know I do. And I certainly wouldn't want to change bodies when I have to change lenses. Aside from the inconvenience of swapping out cameras, there's the mind numbing problem of a whole different

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 01:35:06PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: I believe the K-5 is the most compact light weight Pentax DSLR to date. I remember the K-7 was more compact than the K20D when I got to preview it at Grandfather Mountain in 2009. I think the K-5 is supposed to be even more

Re: Best 80-200mm?

2011-08-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Aug 25, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I would think most photographers use more than one lens on any given job. I know I do. And I certainly wouldn't want to change bodies when I have to change lenses. Aside from the inconvenience of swapping out cameras,

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Stan Halpin
On Aug 25, 2011, at 2:31 PM, John Sessoms wrote: How did people cope with birds in flight such BEFORE there was even AF? Shotgun. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: How did people cope with birds in flight such BEFORE there was even AF? By manually focusing, which is also what I tend to do on the K10D. It was easier when the finders, screens, and helicals were designed for it. I

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 02:20:53PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: I have some other AF lenses, but the point is, all of my AF lenses are screw drive, none of them having SDM. Does the K-5 offer me any AF advantage using my existing lens kit? Yes. The K-5 AF logic is faster, and far more

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/25/2011 2:00 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Aug 25, 2011, at 2:31 PM, John Sessoms wrote: How did people cope with birds in flight such BEFORE there was even AF? Shotgun. stan Which raises the question: How is the AF on the K-r relative to that of the K-x? Is it enough of an improvement

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 02:31:19PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: How did people cope with birds in flight such BEFORE there was even AF? a) f/8 and be there b) pre-focus and wait c) throw away a lot of frames d) all of the above -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-25 3:02 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: How did people cope with birds in flight such BEFORE there was even AF? By manually focusing, which is also what I tend to do on the K10D. It was easier when the finders,

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:09:53 -0400 John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: I was still three generations behind (K10D, skipping over the K20D and K-7), and the improvement when going to the K-5 was staggering. I did the same. and was likewise pleased. My only slight quibble with the K5 is having

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Mark Roberts
John Sessoms wrote: How did people cope with birds in flight such BEFORE there was even AF? That long ago all birds were flightless. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's a sin to hope and expect that things get easier and better. Yes it is a sin. Everything should stay as it was, and I can offer a legion of folk songwriters who will vouch for that. When Dylan

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: John Sessoms wrote: How did people cope with birds in flight such BEFORE there was even AF? That long ago all birds were flightless. And everything was black-and-white. I think we can conclude, therefore, that all

Re: Best 80-200mm?

2011-08-25 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-25 2:40 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I would think most photographers use more than one lens on any given job. I know I do. And I certainly wouldn't want to change bodies when I have to change lenses. Aside from the inconvenience of swapping out cameras, there's the

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-25 3:30 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote: John Sessoms wrote: How did people cope with birds in flight such BEFORE there was even AF? That long ago all birds were flightless. And everything was black-and-white. I

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 25, 2011, at 11:31 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Matthew Hunt On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Saying that the K20's AF and AE are _unusable_ is *way* overstating the case. ?*I* use and rely on them. ?Yes, AF can be annoyingly slow,

Re: Digital Camera Noise Testing

2011-08-25 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:19 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Paul Stenquist The K7 is a nice camera in terms of build and ergonomics, but it's a noisy beast -- no better than the K20 and probably not as good as the K10. The K5, on the other hand, is by far the best of the Pentax breed. You won't

Re: Digital Camera Noise Testing

2011-08-25 Thread David Parsons
There are still hot pixels in RAW pictures. RAW processors are usually good at removing them though, so you might think that they aren't there. LENR modifies the data in the RAW file. On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I hope you are shooting RAW, but

Re: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Brian Walters On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:52 -0500, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Well, it's that time again. Every 13 years, or so, we're overrun with these dudes. Up until the past few weeks, I thought my area had somehow been spared their incessant, shrill drone (is that

Re: OT: Sony NEX-7 24.3MP APS-C Mirrorless Camera

2011-08-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: P. J. Alling I haven't paid much attention to Sony's marketing strategy except to note that Sony seems to produce even more camera models than Canon, but let me submit this for discussion. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/08/sonys-big-mistake.html

Re: PESO: Cicada Smile

2011-08-25 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/25/2011 2:52 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Brian Walters On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:52 -0500, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Well, it's that time again. Every 13 years, or so, we're overrun with these dudes. Up until the past few weeks, I thought my area had somehow been

Re: Digital Camera Noise Testing

2011-08-25 Thread Tom Cakalic
Shoot in RAW, and the Adobe RAW conversion tools (such as what imports the images into LightRoom - not sure if you use that) will remove all of them hot pixels for you without any need to fool around with filters and whatnot.   I shoot 2-hour-long concerts at ISO 1250 and when editing I

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bruce Walker I also used to spot my own prints, look up integrals in a book, and memorize telephone numbers. I don't think it's a sin to hope and expect that things get easier and better. Yes it is a sin. Everything should stay as it was, and I can offer a legion of folk songwriters who

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Jack Davis
I understand there is a widely held theory that birds  were called dinosaurs at that time and were generally  slow movers   Jack. - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:27 PM Subject:

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 8/25/2011 15:13, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 02:31:19PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: How did people cope with birds in flight such BEFORE there was even AF? a) f/8 and be there b) pre-focus and wait c) throw away a lot of frames d) all of the above now: a)

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Jack Davis
...followed by swearing and a screaming teeth gritting promise (out of your wife's hearing, of course) to BUY THAT #*x%+ K-5. Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:40 PM Subject:

1966 - Flying Zero-G Photo Lab

2011-08-25 Thread Tom Cakalic
http://www.space.com/12707-earth-photo-moon-nasa-lunar-orbiter-1-anniversary.html/?utm_source=Newsletterutm_medium=Emailutm_campaign=SP_08252011_1 Excerpt: The entire camera contraption would have made Rube Goldberg proud, exposing, developing, and processing photographic film onboard a moving

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Eactivist
MARK! LOL. Marnie Needs the question with it, though. ;-) In a message dated 8/25/2011 1:31:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jdavi...@yahoo.com writes: I understand there is a widely held theory that birds were called dinosaurs at that time and were generally slow movers Jack. --

The baby of an activist Arab Muslim in the US on a student visa

2011-08-25 Thread Larry Colen
So, who is this man? He's the anchor baby of an activist Arab muslim who came to the U.S. on a student visa and had a child out of wedlock. He's a non-Christian, arugula-eating, drug-using follower of unabashedly old-fashioned liberal teachings from the hippies and folk music stars of the

Monthly photo club pictures

2011-08-25 Thread SV Hovland
Here are the august pictures. From Berlin: http://album.heime.org/album/sandnesfotoklubb/potsdamer%20platz_110820_164916.jpg From Tall ship race in the North Sea region: http://album.heime.org/album/sandnesfotoklubb/stavanger_110729_184412.jpg Midnight sun waves in the northern Norway:

RE: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Bob W
I don't think it's a sin to hope and expect that things get easier and better. Yes it is a sin. Everything should stay as it was, and I can offer a legion of folk songwriters who will vouch for that. When Dylan plugged in, it was the fans who yelled Judas. (There's some profound

RE: The baby of an activist Arab Muslim in the US on a student visa

2011-08-25 Thread Bob W
So, who is this man? He's the anchor baby of an activist Arab muslim who came to the U.S. on a student visa and had a child out of wedlock. He's a non-Christian, arugula-eating, drug-using follower of unabashedly old-fashioned liberal teachings from the hippies and folk music stars of the

RE: Monthly photo club pictures

2011-08-25 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of SV Hovland Here are the august pictures. From Berlin: http://album.heime.org/album/sandnesfotoklubb/potsdamer%20platz_110820_ 164916.jpg Classic. Absolute classic. I was enjoying it immensely even before I

Re: The baby of an activist Arab Muslim in the US on a student visa

2011-08-25 Thread steve harley
On 2011-08-25 15:40 , Bob W wrote: what the fuck is arugula? you may know it as rocket; and it's a helluvalot better than collards, i'll tell you that -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the

Newbie

2011-08-25 Thread C. Paige Gabhart
I'm new to this list and fairly new to digital photography. I have enjoyed seeing some of the photos that have been posted by the members. I have had a Pentax K1000 for donkey's years, which I have not used much in a long time. I just purchased a used K-7 body. One of the reasons I stuck

RE: The baby of an activist Arab Muslim in the US on a student visa

2011-08-25 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of steve harley On 2011-08-25 15:40 , Bob W wrote: what the fuck is arugula? you may know it as rocket; and it's a helluvalot better than collards, i'll tell you that I like rocket. Dunno what collards are though.

Re: The baby of an activist Arab Muslim in the US on a student visa

2011-08-25 Thread Larry Colen
Weird, This wasn't supposed to go here, I thought I was sending it to another friend. Sorry about that folks. On Aug 25, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So, who is this man? He's the anchor baby of an activist Arab muslim who came to the U.S. on a student visa and had a child

RE: The baby of an activist Arab Muslim in the US on a student visa

2011-08-25 Thread Bob W
I blame the Tea Party. Weird, This wasn't supposed to go here, I thought I was sending it to another friend. Sorry about that folks. On Aug 25, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So, who is this man? He's the anchor baby of an activist Arab muslim who came to the U.S. on

Re: 1966 - Flying Zero-G Photo Lab

2011-08-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Tom, I remember those days. I credit the pictures of Earth from space with starting the environmental movement. How could you ignore the mindset that we were all just passengers on this planet. I think they were the most impactful images of the last century. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Aug 25, 2011

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-25 5:37 PM, Bob W wrote: I don't think it's a sin to hope and expect that things get easier and better. Yes it is a sin. Everything should stay as it was, and I can offer a legion of folk songwriters who will vouch for that. When Dylan plugged in, it was the fans who yelled Judas.

Re: The baby of an activist Arab Muslim in the US on a student visa

2011-08-25 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-25 6:17 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Weird, This wasn't supposed to go here, I thought I was sending it to another friend. Sorry about that folks. As opposed to us. Nice. On Aug 25, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So, who is this man? He's the anchor baby of an activist Arab

Re: The baby of an activist Arab Muslim in the US on a student visa

2011-08-25 Thread Steven Desjardins
I always blame the Tea Party. On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 11-08-25 6:17 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Weird, This wasn't supposed to go here, I thought I was sending it to another friend.  Sorry about that folks. As opposed to us.  Nice. On

Re: Query: What Pentax Camera Are You Using?

2011-08-25 Thread Eactivist
LOL. True. I must admit that I'd forgotten about Bob. Marnie aka Doe Not that there aren't other reasons. Like keeping up with the latest camera news and seeing some great photos. But I had forgotten... ;-) In a message dated 8/25/2011 3:31:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

Re: The baby of an activist Arab Muslim in the US on a student visa

2011-08-25 Thread Keith Whaley
Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of steve harley On 2011-08-25 15:40 , Bob W wrote: what the fuck is arugula? you may know it as rocket; and it's a helluvalot better than collards, i'll tell you that I like rocket. Dunno what collards are

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